ONE HONEST REPUBLICAN SPEAKS OUT AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR

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Retiring GOP congressman breaks ranks on Iraq
Bereuter calls war 'a mistake'
From Ted Barrett
CNN Washington Bureau



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Breaking ranks with his party and reversing his earlier stance, a senior retiring Republican lawmaker said Wednesday the military strike against Iraq was "a mistake," and he blasted a "massive failure" of intelligence before the war.

The unexpected four-page statement came from Rep. Doug Bereuter of Nebraska, who until earlier this month was the vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee -- a panel that reviewed much of the evidence the administration cited before going to war.

"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action, especially without a broad and engaged international coalition," Bereuter wrote in a four-page letter to his constituents.

"The cost in casualties is already large and growing, and the immediate and long-term financial costs are incredible."

Bereuter was particularly critical of the pre-war intelligence, which described an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But no such weapons have been found since the U.S.-led invasion.

Bereuter voted in support of an October 2002 resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq, but he said that vote was based on what he had been told about the WMD threat from Iraq.

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," Bereuter said.

After 26 years on Capitol Hill, Bereuter is retiring next month, and will become the president of Asia Foundation.

Congressional Republicans were surprised and angry at Bereuter's comments.

Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Illinois, a member of the intelligence committee, described Bereuter as "very bitter" for having been passed over in recent years to head both the intelligence and international relations committees. He suggested Bereuter's comments were a parting shot to House GOP leaders and President Bush.

An aide denied Bereuter was motivated to write the letter because he didn't get the appointments.

Rep. James Gibbons, R-Nevada, who is also on the intelligence panel, said Bereuter's new conclusions are wrong.

"The facts don't change. Iraq was a dangerous place," Gibbons said. "Mr. Bereuter is entitled to his opinion."

Bereuter's critique of the administration on Iraq was sharp.

He said the administration was wrong to disband the Iraqi army -- because so many of its members joined forces with the insurgents -- and was wrong to rely on the Defense Department instead of the State Department to spearhead reconstruction and the interim government.

He also said the administration was wrong to ignore military leaders who warned many more troops would be needed in Iraq to maintain the postwar peace.

"Now we are immersed in a dangerous, costly mess and there is no easy and quick way to end our responsibilities in Iraq without creating bigger future problems in the region and, in general, in the Muslim world," Bereuter said.

There was no reaction from the White House to Bereuter's charges.

Bereuter said it was important for both the executive and legislative branches of government to learn from the "errors and failures" relating to the war in Iraq and its aftermath.








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-- "Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," Bereuter said.

Save for the fact that it HAS been resolved, by multiple independent investigations, including the 9/11 Commission.

What a chicken-shit thing to do for a retiring man.
 
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tadou said:
-- "Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," Bereuter said.

Save for the fact that it HAS been resolved, by multiple independent investigations, including the 9/11 Commission.
The 9/11 commission resolved nothing; several board members wanted to describe what the White House did to the CIA and FBI as "pressuring", some did not. The Nays won out. Directly after 9/11, the heat was on the intelligence community to come up with a justification for war, which they did.
 
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What a chicken-shit thing to do for a retiring man.
Go tadou the brave!

Man makes move and public statement he could ONLY make after retiring - Chicken Shit!

Son of executed father blasts Bush for mishandling Iraq - Tool of the Dems!

Largest, most respected Intl. thinktank claims Iraq War increases terror - Leftist Agenda!

Politician refuses to step down until predetermind time (done several times before) - Dangerous Weakling, Snake!
 
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DaytonFamily said:
The war in Iraq was the correct move
Yes of course, the invasion of Iraq was obviously in the best interests of the growing U.S. Empire. Who cares how many young American people, and innocent civilians died in that war, they did not die in vain as it was for the great U.S. Empire. And the war in Iraq sets a good example for other nations, your sig says it well DaytonFamily, Don't fuck with the U.S., infact you better listen to our demands or else we will invade your country, an angry U.S. is not a pretty situation, so you better subdue yourself to our power.
 
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Son of executed father blasts Bush for mishandling Iraq - Tool of the Dems!
Well thats obvious the Libs and Dems are gonna try and use it to there advantage. My cousin died in afghan, his dad isnt bashing Bush, in fact he still supports him. Ive also seen lesser aired clips of people supporting Bush even though there loved ones died in afghan or Iraq. Its war, its not a tea party where we all can sit down and hold hands and talk about our problems. They did it for there country, something you couldnt understand, well unless you count pissing and moaning about everything that happens here.


WHITE DEVIL said:
Largest, most respected Intl. thinktank claims Iraq War increases terror - Leftist Agenda!
I agree with this, expect that it didnt matter anyway, someone had to pay for 9/11, no matter where we went in, that would still increase general hatred towards America and increase terror.
 
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Right on that you could see that Dayton. It's common sense...yet tadou in his grand wisdom still misses it.

Dayton, I myself had considered joining the military after 9/11. My grandpa was a captain in WWII. My uncle-in-law was a Marine in vietnam. I have military on all sides of my family, and if anyone ever came at me or my family, I would do what needed to be done.

But you don't want to see this or hear this. Republicans love the USA like a little child. Whatever mommy does is good and right to a little child. "Liberals" and independants love the USA like a grown-up: some things it does are good, some things are bad. Just like your parent will tell you when you do good, and when you do bad. A little kid could watch his Daddy spit on someone and laugh. This is how Republicans work. Whatever we do is right, because this country is Daddy USA. Nothing it could say or do could be wrong.
 
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DaytonFamily said:
My cousin died in afghan, his dad isnt bashing Bush, in fact he still supports him. Ive also seen lesser aired clips of people supporting Bush even though there loved ones died in afghan or Iraq. Its war, its not a tea party where we all can sit down and hold hands and talk about our problems. They did it for there country, something you couldnt understand, well unless you count pissing and moaning about everything that happens here..
For what cause did they die for may I ask?
 
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But you don't want to see this or hear this. Republicans love the USA like a little child. Whatever mommy does is good and right to a little child. "Liberals" and independants love the USA like a grown-up: some things it does are good, some things are bad. Just like your parent will tell you when you do good, and when you do bad. A little kid could watch his Daddy spit on someone and laugh. This is how Republicans work. Whatever we do is right, because this country is Daddy USA. Nothing it could say or do could be wrong.

well said,
conservatism is ethnocentrism, thinking nothing needs to be changed with your government and it can't possibly do anything wrong.
 
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Could you elaborate on this? as far as i know Iraq posed absolutely no threat to my freedom.

Sadaam was a insane murderer which had been known to have access to WMD's. Now he couldnt invade us, but theoretically he could use WMD's to attack our citizens, thats why he had to go. Not to mention all the people in his country which he ingored and killed needed to be liberated.
 
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DaytonFamily said:
Sadaam was a insane murderer which had been known to have access to WMD's. Now he couldnt invade us, but theoretically he could use WMD's to attack our citizens, thats why he had to go. Not to mention all the people in his country which he ingored and killed needed to be liberated.

Have you not yet heard that no.. he did not have these WMDs we claimed he had. And if the people of Iraq wanted to be 'liberated' why are they resisting us? Anyways if liberating people from tyrants was of first priority to the U.S. we certainly would not have started with Iraq.

So I guess you are wrong about the 'it was for our country's freedom' thing.
 
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J-Funk said:
Have you not yet heard that no.. he did not have these WMDs we claimed he had. And if the people of Iraq wanted to be 'liberated' why are they resisting us? Anyways if liberating people from tyrants was of first priority to the U.S. we certainly would not have started with Iraq.

So I guess you are wrong about the 'it was for our country's freedom' thing.

No I am not wrong, you just like to look the other way till something bad happens and then start blaming people why we didnt do anything. Guess what, we are doing something, we took the first step towards peace in the middle east. Peace can only be achieved down the barrell of a gun, 9/11 proved this.
 
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J-Funk said:
well said,
conservatism is ethnocentrism, thinking nothing needs to be changed with your government and it can't possibly do anything wrong.
And Liberalism is Socialism/Communism, thinking that people can only be free once they are economically equal, and that its ok for rich people to pay 70 and 80% taxes so the poor and uninitiated can have hand-outs.
 
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DaytonFamily said:
No I am not wrong, you just like to look the other way till something bad happens and then start blaming people why we didnt do anything. Guess what, we are doing something, we took the first step towards peace in the middle east. Peace can only be achieved down the barrell of a gun, 9/11 proved this.
Oh no? I was pretty sure i proved you wrong. now you're only case of argueing is on a 'what if' basis. well guess what, 'what if' didn't happen, see i'm concerned with facts, not blind faith.

You should join the military, i'm sure they are more than happy to recruit good ol' american boys who don't think twice about fighting for their country.
 
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tadou said:
And Liberalism is Socialism/Communism, thinking that people can only be free once they are economically equal, and that its ok for rich people to pay 70 and 80% taxes so the poor and uninitiated can have hand-outs.
Liberalism is open-mindedness to new change, and socialism has only been adopted by some liberals. Liberalism is Democracy, a true government of the people, unlike republicism which means rich men 'representing' the people and making decisions for them.
 
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J-Funk said:
Oh no? I was pretty sure i proved you wrong. now you're only case of argueing is on a 'what if' basis. well guess what, 'what if' didn't happen, see i'm concerned with facts, not blind faith.

You should join the military, you're the type of person they are looking for.

"What if's" can and do turn into facts. Prime example is 9/11. This just proves that intill we resolve the ever growing problem in the middle east, there will be no peace. If we just sit on our hands another 9/11 will happen, possbily even more deadly. I guess then maybe you will have your fucking facts in the tune of thousands of americans dead. And how do u know if Sadaam wasnt planning an attack on us. The times of sitting around and letting them attack first is over. And if they do attack us again, Mac Buddha can post his pictures of more dead innocents. Then post more when attack them. Because they choose the cowardice way of fighting:

Attacking our civillians
Then hiding among civillians when they are tracked down.


Heres another "what if?". What if Sadaam was planning to attack Kuwait or Israel? And What if we stopped him?



Im in the process of joining, im gonna do something with my life unlike you, youll sit around get high or drunk with your buddies, get a girl, she will push out a few puppies, and thats it, you will be thinking in bed when your 40, wondering what the fuck u did in your worthless life.
 
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DaytonFamily said:
Im in the process of joining, im gonna do something with my life unlike you, youll sit around get high or drunk with your buddies, get a girl, she will push out a few puppies, and thats it, you will be thinking in bed when your 40, wondering what the fuck u did in your worthless life.
Yes, joining the military is a smart choice when you don't have many career options and didn't make it into college. I have considered it myself because of the many benefits it offers.