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My intentions are clear on what I plan to say to most. This board used --and is some way still is-- making what it set out to do, interesting discussions and news. But there some things that have just gone over the top and have gotten sickly ridiculous.

Before any of yall question me, I DID take the time to review plenty of threads to notice what has happened so I have good reason where I get my information from: and before there is any controversy, My name, which is Macc Fame, is not attached to any artists's or celebrety's name in any way shape or form.

What Im getting to down to is the level at which certain things are taken a bit far out of context and activity. The FTI movement is something big and important for the STrange campaign and all, but the level at which people on this site deal with is troubling, if not disturbing. I cannot count how many times Ive seen these designs made thats supposed to represent it. Ra and a few others made original ones and they were innovative THEN, but now, people just won't let it go. Having to scroll down twice so I can read one line of comment by someone just goes to show how far these signatures are sickly overused to the point where they create no personality for the writer.

There are many issues I intend to address and that I have no yet begun to touch on, so I will return with my full insight.
 
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Macc Fame said:
My intentions are clear on what I plan to say to most. This board used --and is some way still is-- making what it set out to do, interesting discussions and news. But there some things that have just gone over the top and have gotten sickly ridiculous.

Before any of yall question me, I DID take the time to review plenty of threads to notice what has happened so I have good reason where I get my information from: and before there is any controversy, My name, which is Macc Fame, is not attached to any artists's or celebrety's name in any way shape or form.

What Im getting to down to is the level at which certain things are taken a bit far out of context and activity. The FTI movement is something big and important for the STrange campaign and all, but the level at which people on this site deal with is troubling, if not disturbing. I cannot count how many times Ive seen these designs made thats supposed to represent it. Ra and a few others made original ones and they were innovative THEN, but now, people just won't let it go. Having to scroll down twice so I can read one line of comment by someone just goes to show how far these signatures are sickly overused to the point where they create no personality for the writer.

There are many issues I intend to address and that I have no yet begun to touch on, so I will return with my full insight.
you can take you and your 5 posts and bounce if your gonnin be bringin negative insight to this forum...........

aight.....

out!!!
 
Aug 8, 2002
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I agree with the signatures....I don't like using them for anything besides words.....pictures just clutter them up for me. But if someone wants to represent something or whatever....who am I to say they shouldnt?

FTI is well documented....if you visit this forum at least once a week, you'll hear a lot of shit about it. I just hope that the people working on this are also reaching out to other sites and telling people that don't already know. I see JLMACN, Maszive and a few others have hit up BET and MTV boards about FTI and don't get a whole lot of love, but at least they are trying.

This board is hard to please....you have one group of people that have an insatiable need for Tech news, even when there isn't any. Then you have the others....like yourself I take it, who want nothing but business on this board. Nothing but music related talk all the time...no off topic shit. Which is cool too, but you gotta realize that this is like a delayed chat room. Things are going to get out of hand and off topic. You just have to deal with it.


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Re: Re: Observations

JLMACN said:


you can take you and your 5 posts and bounce if your gonnin be bringin negative insight to this forum...........

aight.....

out!!!

damn man....dude came in with a civilized post with some constructive criticism about people in here and you just shit on him? come on


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i am wonderin ........what do he want to see?

what do you want the topics to look like?
.......i am one of the few that actually try to spread this shit everywhere.......i come here a lot so can stay updated.....cause you never know who might post what.......

its all good......
i hope that whatever you are gonna post..........

you actually try to make in on here more than once a month......

out!!
 
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haha....much better.....i feel you though man.....

its like the motherfuckers that bitch about George W Bush, but didnt vote....if you aint in here everyday or fairly often, dont get pissed when you come in here on one day and there is nothing but lame posts...there is about 10-20 new threads everyday, can't nobody keep up with that if you don't visit each day.

So you're right JL....don't bitch if you aren't down to build.


Nick
 
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I'm going to continue with the addresses that I started to make, but first, in response to JLMACN, if it's the number of posts I have that you will use i order to ridicule me, then I'm not sure Id feel safe if I was you either and could easily tell you to take your 759 posts and convert them to doing something valuable (by the way, your sentence was not entirely gramatically correct).
Anyways as I have stated it, there are issues that Im trying to make and so individual attacks won't affect my cause as Im here to exploit some issues that I've noticed have been happening and whether anyone agrees or not, my views will at least be read and reflected upon.
I did in fact visit the site frequently, but as of late, there were some circumstances that made this impossible, so I had to backtrackk a little, which is what I said I did, and when I did return (recently), is when I noticed all of the changes which pursuaded me to write the first post. Anyways, that's the story behind it.
Like most, I don't have a huge problem with the amount of posts someone puts out, and I do recognize this as a source for news with the delayed chatroom effect. Thats understandable. In fact, Techn9nehq, I almost stand on the polar opposite side than what you've associated me with. I like the business, side of the forum, but one of the changes that were made was this inclusion of rules that need to be abided with. The reason why this happened was because of controversial posts that would come in while discussing other matters, artists, or topics. I frankly think that the 'hands off' effect could have been used to stop that. Meaning, dont bring up the subject at all and most of the problems would have been solved before they arose, but not all of them. You have to understand that when someone comes on the Strange board, which I defend should be majorily "Strange" related, in order to talk about a different artist or topic is that first of all, their intentions are not to break any unwritten rules that may be in place and rant off subject for no purpose at all. Obviously this forum has a high attendance rate and out of curiousity, someone can wonder on here and discuss anything, assuming that most people here will have some connection to what they're talking about, think about it, why would you want to post if your not being heard? Obviously we all post for a reason and it is to get our point across, that is why many of you are campaigning on the "industrialized" forums (MTV, BET, VH1, etc) in order to spread this FTI business. Apparently, the response has been negative, you continue to do it because it's want you want to get across to those people. Now I'll take the example of the one who came to post about Lejo and who's post disappeared. The same thing could happen to you if you are posting and spreading the "FTI virus" in those forums as they will not find it attractive, so if we cannot be hypocrites and have our rules, but turn around and break them somewhere else, this goes back to the golden rule. We are in the Strange forum because it is the most concentrated place for anyone with the same taste of not only music, but fanaticism on the internet. This forum is specifically designated for us and whats why we come here, in order to support it: so it is unnanimous that this board belongs to Strange supporters; surely 1 or 2 visitors won't change that simplye because they've found a forum where they may come in and occasionally put out the name of another artist whether we know them or not. No matter what happens, this siccness board will only bear the name of Strange until it goes down one way or another, so we should lossen the noose on what we allow to be posted or not because we are making work for ourselves--and work that needs not be done for purpose that will be of no trouble.
I do take the time to give support to some of the ones that have close affiliations with the souces that give us the latest news. I for one have been to a few shows and have never met anyone from Strange face to face, talked, or called anyone like some of you have. This forum wouldn't necessarily be alive were it not for a few people providing the latest, but will criticize the amount of context that goes on even when there are no news. I can't help it, or change the fact that I notice that some people just mull over these music issues a certain number of times a day more than they necessarily should. I for one know that most people on here are down to Earth and do alot more with their time than waste it on here (or at least that's what I assume), so I have no problems with that once again. Why do I bring this up then? It was someone's concern that I read while looking at old threads, apparently complalining about the many clones of FTI art, which even started a controversy on who started what 1st: A topic I won't get into because it's been settled rested, and buried. But that example is the impression that some people that don't come here on often may think: They are stereotypica and skepticall about what goes on here and don't quite understand (nor are sure whether they want to) what Strange is all about. A newbie or surfer may assume the following once they step in here: and I can tell you for a fact that some of these assumptions are what trigger temporary feuds and arguments with newcomers and make the regulars on thisboard look xenophobic.
First of all, Kansas City is not the biggest music town you;ve ever heard of, so if it's promoting an artist (let's take Tech N9ne for example), it is to give the town recognition and put it on the map.
*People don't understand yet why we do it like we do. And after searching, there should be no reason why it should be different. "Outsiders" (I'll call them that for now) first of all assume that we're too contained in Tech's beliefs to have our own opinion about certain things: and honestly, that's how it looks like on this forum sometimes, but by knowing the people who actually visit here frequently, I know thats not the case {1} First of all, our market artist (Tech N9ne that is, the one who will help put this city on the map) is not doing it like the rest of the industry's artists. He's original, talented, and has been slept on for most of his career. Second of all, what these "Outsiders" see is the image he portrays in his music, lyrics, and even physical image. The Lyrics are dark, deep, and sometimes too gothic for some, but honestly, it's just a very long story he's telling, just like any artist would, and his physical image doesn't appeal to most (at 1st glance, the RED hair and Anghellic cover isnt hot material in the mind of someone who regularly watches MTV and BET). And last but not least, when we try and point out the obvious (the talent and originality that our market Artist has over most of these industry clones), "Outsiders" get offended because they believe we're stuckups or even suck-ups in some instances and assume that its a maybe a KC thing, or a Tech N9ne fanaticism thing or whatever it may be. (Oh, and if that's not ebough reasoning to write us off, the name "STRANGE" doesn't necessarily mean we support anything ordinary either, and most haters will point at the name FIRST as a reason to associate this music with something UNordinary. --There is more insight, but I'll stop there for now.
Now everything has to start somewhere, and someone said it here a long time ago, but there are standards that bring about changes and eventually the changes become something regular and then regulars produce clones: That is the short handed version of what the industry has become. (for more detail, see my Philosophy paper--). Rap started somewhere, but today's "standards" (which are hard to break) are the reason why there is opposition to the FTI movement that is tryng to establish itself on household's tv sets and even industrualized forums. The people aren;t ready for something new. Look down the road at the number of artists and there is at least half a dozen similarities that you will find between them, whether it is their musical styles, LYRICS, topic, political correctness, image, culture trend (from those fat chains hanging from their neck and the way they portray their lifestyles even though we know that half of them probably don't know how to load a clip into the gun they claimed to have used in order to murder somebody like they say they did on their tracks). This is all the "regular" step of my argument, now come the "cloning" and that doesn't need any explanation as you ALL know the story: Basically, someone saw someone get hot or blow up off of something that another artist/group did, and they followed suit and those after them did the same and so on. That happens in business too, when a new product is made (that's why we have so many brands of computers and TVs and toothpaste--It's also the same reason we all Ca$h money, no Limit existing at the same time and the same reason why we have N'SYNC and BBBoys & 98 Degrees (if they still exist)--they all claim to be different than the other, but in reality, their blueprints were borowed from someone who some times never seems to get enough credit for the trend (thats another story) but in the end, they're all the same. This is what created music genres, trendy clothes and even class or social structure.
 
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(Here's the rest of the post since I went above the limit...)

>>>>>Fast forward to now<<<<< There is this artist Tech N9ne who's the odd of the bunch. The rotten apple. The one who's messed up in the head, who's not doing things like someone like him should be doing. Who's not showing enough grill, cars or women in his videos.---What does that make "him"? DIfferent. And there are few "different" artists in the game who are actual heard because of their message and not what they attempt to be--arguably the most successful of them is Outcast, but few like Dead Prez or Mos Def are still dormant in the ears of most.
-No matter how much we like or dislike it, there will always be this division and structure and standards that have been set to 'lead the blind' (the people who listen to the industry, and the industry "only"). To in a way, that is what lies at the heart of the FTI. Someone has actually opened their eyes and has chosen to make a path for himself that is unlike many before him have done--and right now, people aren't buying it. But those are the same people that would have clung and hung to anythng that was popular in the eyes of political correctness and trend without any insight of their own, so in short closing, don't just F the Industry, but F tthe Industrilized and until then keep being original because if you look everywhere around you, it is ORIGINALITY that has brought us most of what we own/or have, or else, it would nopt have been made and it is UNNORIGINALITY that prevents it from going a step further. --That's my 2 cents.
 
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LoL! ^^^^^^^ Crazy....


On the signatures thing. I have made so many of them, that I am the one that is known for the graphic design shit. I dont know if you directed that to me, but I aint even gone take it like that, so we cool as far as I am concerned.

Man, I dont believe that you understand what Tech means to his fans and the luv that is given out from him that make people do what they do for him. There aint another artist out there in the game like him, and soon as they get some money or a hit single, they wanna act all bogus and shit, like a muthafucka owes them, but Tech, he's different... When you see him, he can almost immediately tell in your eyes even if you dont speak to him first that you are for what he stands for and feeling his shit, and he'll treat you as though you are family, and that shit keeps the fan base going, like us here.. I have made probably 3 or 4 F.T.I. things because I have the skill to do that shit, and you might not look at it as if it is easy, so therefore to you or other people I am wasting my time with it, but to me, it's only ten minutes of creativity and it's done... Then there are muthafuckers that talk shit on people like me cause I am nearing 1000 posts, but shit, I have a lot to say and contribute to this muthafucka... When someone can't speak on it and I can, then I will, so no need and knowing shit and holding it in when a muthafucka comes here wanting info. I tell em'... So for someone to only have put it .00004% of the time that other people have here, and the try to lay some ground rules is straight up ridiculous. There is no need for you to make a come back statement dissing anyone here, cause you'll just be wasting your time, because this over the net shit doesn't end with a person that is man enough to say that they are wrong! We are in the middle of something big here with the F.T.I. movement, and for what I know that Tech has been through and people looking at him like the average Mofo, aint cool with me. That nigga deserves 10-15 Million for all the shit he has spit. And if I am by myself in the end, then whoever aint with me, fuck em' cause I'm riding this shit to the end homeboy and whoever is with us on this. It's all luv... It'll pay off in the end! To me, it is FUCK THE INDUSTRY....! Because in a minute and I dont think that you see it, but if you are out there buying this punk ass music that artists are putting out that aint got but 1 or 2 good cuts on it, but get mad when you wanna hear it, then you are getting pimped homeboy, simple as that... I dont want this to sound like an argument, cause you are cool with me dogg, but I gotta say F.T.I. and not the industrialized, cause as quick as they changed this short lived game, a man named Tech N9ne is gonna do the same. (hey that rhymes!) but anyway's, these muthafuckas are doing away with all the real music homie, how long is real niggas video running on BET or MTV, probably the debut day, and then it's back to Nelly & Ja Rule & Jay-Z and shit... Pretty soon, that is all muthafuckas gonna be brainwashed to. And right at the right moment, Tech made these beautiful commercials telling us that it aint our faults at the same time DMX, B. Spears, J-Lo, Nelly and all those half ass artists were blaming us, and we are supposed to accept it... NO.... YOU SEE THAT! He know's that it aint the fans. So that proves it there, that they are trying to pimp us. I have said it numerous times before, they will put out this half assed lolly pop album and then fuck us in the ass with a foot, and we are supposed ot love it. Nigga's think that when they get in the game to be all hard acting and shady acting and off in the cuts behind 8 bodyguards, not realizing that he/she is scared of who made them who they are. Tech luvs the game and is one of the only niggas that is staying true to it and I commend him for that. It's almost like a religion. Your not gonna change what you know is right by God or whomever you worship. Fuck that Cult shit the industry is running, we know that God wants it this way and that's the way I'm gone make it to heaven. Just like the game, it works the same way... F.T.I. all damned day! If anything, the Industry owes us......................................!
 
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wow....thats a nominee for post of the year Macc Fame!

I never realized how hard it was to read white letters on a black background until just now...but you made SEVERAL good points.

So to save everyone some time and reduce the eye strain, I'll just say this....

If someone comes in here and shows this board some respect, deserving or not, and wants to post stuff about their artist....lejo, C-Bo, Macc James, Garth Brooks, whoever....thats cool with me. I have no problem with someone dropping some info about other artists. Much love for their work, I know that cause I've done the same thing for Tech and the RDVs. BUT....when the shit gets excessive or out of hand, like I felt some of it did, then we have a problem. Dysfuntional or not.....we're all family here like Maszive eluded to. Everyone who's got love for Tech is apart of the family. A lot of times our minds, myself included, become one-tracked. And we only see what we want to see. Thats when the personal attacks start and posts get deleted or closed. This forum shouldnt have rules and I'm really thinking about setting them aside for a bit because most of us here are adults and can act civilized when talkin about Tech and such related issues. Take away the posts that turned personal, and we have a bad ass forum here. I know there are some intelegent minds that visit this board. I just wished more would see past the bullshit and really put down what they feel. But anyway...i promised i'd keep this short so I'll just go ahead and end it.


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...or post of the too fuckin long can't finish it cause i fell asleep tryin to read it and soundin like a bunch of ramblin.... :)...

...its ALL true...a lotta bullshit, a lot of real-shit... its all jesus!
 
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@ macc fame..........i only read about 1/8 of your post cause its so damn hard to read that shit...like techn9nehq said....

but the part i did read.......alls i have to say is...i hope you visit more often.....and when you do, please dont come in here and try to change the forum......

oh and one more thing......i dont write my shit "gramatically correct" for good reasons.......but i bet you still understood it!!

techn9nehq.......keep up the good work homeboy.....dont let one person make you think that "we" (strange forum) suck.......
you know we try as hard as we can to get this F.T.I. thang pop'n.....
lol

out!!
 
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JLMACN':
You said it yourself. You didn't read much of the post that I wrote, so you obviously missed the point on where I stand as far as my views go on this forum.
I didn't come in here to change anything. I'm no fool, therefore i don't think that my words nor my presence alone will change anything. Change is not my objective nor is it my decision. I specifically said (since you probably missed it) that I was here to point out certain things that I had seen occur and simply provided insight on it. If you pay more attention to the 1st half of the post then I go into detail about certain things that we enforce on this forum in comparison to others. Techn9nehq clearly understood it and supported most of it.
Now I assume that I am that "one person" who you mension thinks that the Strange forum sucks. That sentence alone proves that you did not read much. Read TechN9nehq's post and the ones after it and youll maybe see that I don't stand against this forum: If I would have said that clean and cut from the begining, I would have gotten a violent response from the people that visit here often. Yet that has not happened, but strangely youre the only one to believe that I think the forum "sucks" : wrong, I simply pointed to some criticism about certain things that could be improved-- that does not meanI think the forum "sucks"-- once again, read the part where I mension that--if you don't want to,then do not associate me with something I am not without any support.

I know that the post was long, but there was lots of things that needed cover before I got a response: but since then, most of the respnses have been complaints about the length-- I understand that already, but some of you act like ya'll have never read anything longer than a page and a half. I was looking for constructive feedback here.
Now Im sure if there are any other questions, some of them may have already been answered in one fashion or another.

Macc Fame
 
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macc fame: why would you take my comment to heart if i did point you out?



i am glad to see that you atleast came back.......
hopefully you will continue to do so........

thats all i am gonna say....about that .....
believe me when i say i do all i can to get this "F.T.I." thang pop'n....
check the "m.t.v." meesage boards (under "music")......and the "b.e.t" boards......(rap city, music, ya heard, ...)

me, drew, maszive do'n the damn thang......

out!!