Not quite a chip but...

[Mr. Nice Guy]

More sex offenders tracked by satellite
Updated 6/6/2006 11:19 PM ET
By Wendy Koch, USA TODAY

Hundreds of convicted sex offenders will have to wear a two-piece electronic tracking device for the rest of their lives under a new Wisconsin law.

Ankle bracelets and a pager-sized unit, often attached to a belt, will use Global Positioning System (GPS) technology to follow their every step. If they enter restricted areas, such as schools, officials will be alerted.

GPS programs will track 285 offenders the first year, beginning July 2007, and up to 400 by the second year, says Dan Leistikow, spokesman for Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle.

In May, Wisconsin joined a rapidly rising number of states using GPS to monitor convicted sex offenders. At least 23 states are doing so, according to a survey in February by the Pennsylvania Board of Probation and Parole. Others have since begun or expanded GPS programs.

"In the last several months, it's been exponential growth," says Steve Chapin, president of Pro-Tech, a Florida-based firm that provides GPS services to 27 statewide agencies. He says his business has doubled in the past three months.

As of January, 13 states had laws requiring or allowing GPS tracking, says the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Aside from Wisconsin, governors in at least six states (Arkansas, Georgia, Kansas, Virginia, Washington and Michigan) have signed such bills this year. New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch plans to do so soon. Similar bills are pending elsewhere

"It's the law you can't vote against," says Chapin....

This is exactly what is going to happen when the idea of chipping crimminals becomes more prevalent. The same goes for the impending propoganda on chipping immigrants after we "find" terrorists coming through the borders. Who wouldn't vote for something like this? It may sound great and seem like the right thing to do, but even in this situation who defines what a sex offender actually is?

In Michigan for example (taken from www.stateline.org)

many people on the Michigan list are guilty of crimes like urinating in public, indecent exposure, teenagers having consensual sex with their underage girlfriends, and those people are not all dangers to society," said Michael Steinberg of the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan.

Do you believe that someone guilty of urinating in public should face the possibility of wearing a gps tracking device for the rest of their lives? The same principle applies to chipping and why it is a bad idea. What happens when 50 years from now, after the entire US population has been chipped, and the government determines that 75% of crimes occur between the hours of 1AM and 3AM ( as a fictional example) so they make it illegal to be in certain areas without permission during those hours. That seems impossible and unreasonable now, but how impossible will it be when everyone is being tracked in real time anyhow and a law such as that has become "a law you cannot vote against"...

 

[surcaliman]

The same goes for the impending propoganda on chipping immigrants after we "find" terrorists coming through the borders.

you're right,they gonna start chipping canadians since that's the only place we've actually "found" terrorists coming through the border......

 

[JLMACN]

I think trackign sex offenders is a great idea.

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[2-0-Sixx]

Definately not a good idea. This could be just the start...why not eventually track all convicted felons?

 

[JLMACN]

good point.

what would you say is a better solution that this though?

From the studies that have been done and things I have seen. Most sexual predators cant stop themselves.

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[2-0-Sixx]

I'm not sure. I don't know how the system works for each state and how effective the current rehabilitation programs are, as far as mandatory consoling, therapy, medication, etc. Nor do I know the likelihood of a repeat offense.

As far as sex offenders go - it's a pretty large range of people. Not all are child rapists; the majority are people who sexually assaulted someone of the legal age. I personally know someone who in my mind is far from a sexual predator or a sex offender, although he has to be labeled as such for the rest of his life (he "sexually assaulted" a female at a party or in other words, the broad was hella drunk, had sex with several people, claims she doesn't remember and was raped, filed charges days later). Stupid mistake on his part no doubt, but definitely not in the same category as a child rapist.

 

[BOMBSAC]

and the government determines that 75% of crimes occur between the hours of 1AM and 3AM ( as a fictional example) so they make it illegal to be in certain areas without permission during those hours.

good! people shouldnt be out that late anyways, they are only up to no good.....

 

[MaddDogg]

you're right,they gonna start chipping canadians since that's the only place we've actually "found" terrorists coming through the border......

Yes however there was evidence presented in an International Relations Subcommittee on Nuclear Weapons, Terrorism and Human Rights Committee in March that Hezbollah operatives came into the US through Mexico using forged documents speaking spanish and using spanish names but we never found them.

 

[surcaliman]

good! people shouldnt be out that late anyways, they are only up to no good.....

or they could be working a graveyard shift..

 

[surcaliman]

Yes however there was evidence presented in an International Relations Subcommittee on Nuclear Weapons, Terrorism and Human Rights Committee in March that Hezbollah operatives came into the US through Mexico using forged documents speaking spanish and using spanish names but we never found them.

i take it u trust these government "commitees"?....and u mean to tell me that u believe immigration officials couldn't distinguish a couple of guys with arabic accents trying to speak spanish?..."yes,my name is jjjjjjjjjjuan"

 

[JLMACN]

good! people shouldnt be out that late anyways, they are only up to no good.....

wise man once said "only thing that goes on between 12 and 3 in the morning are booty calls and drugs deals"
haha

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[Mr. Nice Guy]

you're right,they gonna start chipping canadians since that's the only place we've actually "found" terrorists coming through the border......

The reason I placed "find" in quotations was to illustrate the point that it could very well be propaganda to promote the Government's agenda. The Government could just say they found terrorists attempting to cross the border in order to turn the law to chip immigrants into "a law you have to vote for" without the terrorists crossing the border ever actually occuring.

 

[MaddDogg]

i take it u trust these government "commitees"?....and u mean to tell me that u believe immigration officials couldn't distinguish a couple of guys with arabic accents trying to speak spanish?..."yes,my name is jjjjjjjjjjuan"

Yes I did trust this government hearing.A former immigration official and border security expert testified to blow the whistle on the immigration system and explain why it isnt working. And yes it was about how immigration officials were working on a "service" based (as in pushing immigrants through as fast as possible and making them citizens) rather than a security based (as in checking more thoroughly and stopping applicants on discrepencies and unusual circumstances/identification) system. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy.

 

[Eternal Designs]

Definately not a good idea. This could be just the start...why not eventually track all convicted felons?

I agree but it's probably too late to worry about being tracked. In most states inmates/felons are required to give a DNA sample to be included in a state/national database. In many states as a codition of parole/probation you are required to give DNA samples. But since the public has been conditioned to think anyone who has been to prison are less than human and get what they deserve no matter how inhumane, most average citizens won't care until it is expanded to cover every citizen.

Any type of forced chipping is bad. I think it was in Iowa or Illinois that a state bill was passed banning busineses requiring employees to take ID chips. But people may be focusing too much on just the implantable chips. I think trying to force people to take chips will fail as people will see it as going too far and then let other schemes which acomplish the same goals but sound less imposing compared to the chips pass.

Right now you are being tracked. Cell phones can now be used to track your exact position using GPS. OnStar and similar "services" track you in real time and have the ability to listen in on your conversations without your knowledge. Starting in 2008 all US passports will have RFID tracking built in. All modern cars built in the last 10 or so years have a "black box" built in to the airbag system. All electronic systems have been tapped since the late 70's early 80's. The US "Patriot" Act allows for law enforcement to enter your home and bug it/install tracking software on your computer without your knowledge or consent.

They are working on banning older electronic equipment "to prevent piracy". Which means when the police state is fully instituted there will be no way to communicate without their consent. They are trying to use nation emergencies/natural disasters as excuses to consfiscate legal weapons.

Bottom line this country was created by les than 6% of the population. Even if there was a resistance by only 1-2% of the current population that would still be around 3-6 Million people. We can still take this country back .

As for "terrorists" slipping through the borders. I don't believe there are any "real" terrorists. Just about all of the major boogeyman groups can trace their start to one or more of the major intelligence agencies. IRA - MI5/6, Al CIAda - CIA, Hezbollah/Hamas - Mossad, Taliban - ISI, etc. They are used by the globalists to keep the peasants in fear so that they (citizens) will ask for the solution (reduction of freedoms for more security/martial law/world govmnt) to the problem (terrorism, anti-establishment violence) that they (globilists) themselves created. It is known as pressure from above and below. Or as Alex Jones likes to call it problem/reaction/solution. And all you communists/socialists out there that think you're "fighting the man", please realise you are just playing into their hands. As the same people you think you're fighting are the ones that created, fund and control all the anti-establishment revolutionary groups and communism/socialism/fascism.

 

[DubbC415]

people are just scared into thinking we need to be tracked. the more they get scared, the more it allows us to be controlled in one way or another. we no longer make choices for ourselves and allow other people to.