North Korea/verbal provocation?

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Read this article and it made me wonder, how much can you really say before a war breaks out. A war could've continued between south korea/U.S.-n. korea with the things that have happened there recentely. But I read this article and wondered, how long could you keep saying stuff like this?

I know there's literally nothing you can say to another person in the states that justifies violence by law (as far as I know?) but does the same ring true for matters between countries or should they even?

You can't even jokingly talk about committing a terrorist attack in the u.s. anymore and your phone may even be tapped. You could be held indefinitely thanks to the patriot act. How is saying that you'll use nuclear weapons in a war not crossing the line?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101217/wl_afp/nkoreaskoreausmilitarynuclear_20101217095644

 

[Stealth]

I know there's literally nothing you can say to another person in the states that justifies violence by law (as far as I know?) but does the same ring true for matters between countries or should they even?

There is a US free speech exception called "fighting words". If your words would provoke a reasonable person to fight, you can be arrested. But it hasn't been enforce in like 90 years. Also, you're not allowed to use speech if the speech is intended to incite other people to violence or overthrow the government.

(Anyways, that applies to citizens, and this is between two sovereign nations, so rules regarding speech are thrown out the window.)

As for your original question, the US and South Korea aren't gonna do SHIT to North Korea unless China's down. So the US, South Korea, and North Korea could go on like this forever. Unless and until China gives the US the thumbs up, North Korea will say and do whatever the hell it wants. We're not in charge of the situation over there and we're not gonna launch a first strike against China's little pet country.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I forgot about the speech that could incite a riot or coup not being legal.

The way things seem to be going, it doesn't seem like China is down either way. It's getting to the point that it seems like China is going to turn and look the other way if N. Korea keeps getting crazy. Who knows though I guess? It doesn't seem good. I wouldn't be surprised to Adminejad or however you spell it from Iran start poppin off if the U.S. has a real war on their hands with N. Korea too. We're spread pretty thin right now

 

[Stealth]

Yeah, I think if China stays out of it, we'll have to make a move. North Korea just has this attitude (rightfully so) that it can do whatever it want and the rest of the world is too much of a pussy to do anything. I could also see Ahmedinejad saying some shit, but I'm not so sure he'd attack. Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il are both crazy, but Ahmedinejad is much, much less crazy. I don't think it would benefit him to help out a communist, non-muslim country just because they both have beef with the US. Especially when N. Korea's #1 concern is South Korea and Iran's #1 concern is Israel.

We are spread pretty thin, but they could always just reinstitute the draft. I've always wondered what it would be like to live in Canada.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I was saying that I think Iran would start popping off on a totally unrelated note but just on the strength that U.S. would be at it's weakest point in decades if not longer as far as military force. wars in 3 countries can't be good for any country. I think if it really started poppin off in Korea, the draft talks would go through the roof. Especially with a president that hasn't served in the military.

 

[Ender]

The Norths army is weak starving and is outdated. The South Korean ROK army can take them by themselves without any involvement from the US. North Korea fired 200 arty rounds at a small ass island not that far from there shore and killed four people... and that is their perimeter defenses... cmon now. That sounds like an epic fail from the "powerful north Korean army" LOL. Everybody knows people who talk alot can't do alot it's the quiet mothafuckers you gotta worry about.

And our army is not spread thin. it's strategically placed, well funded, and about 70 years ahead of the closest competition.

 

[NAMO]

And our army is not spread thin. it's strategically placed, well funded, and about 70 years ahead of the closest competition.

yet we can't beat the taliban..

Guerilla warfare trumps everything except nuclear weapons.

Australia has been by the US side in almost every single war, so has the UK, so just remember you guys will never be alone.

Right now our concern is islamic fascists to our north and refugees flooding our borders, it will make us an easier target as time goes by as people keep dripping in, so far our intel has been great and we have stopped major attacks, dunno how long we can hold off before something happens, but if it does, I'm not sure how we will react.

China has been relatively quiet and I don't see NK as a threat, for now. They could possibly launch a nuclear strike somewhere close, but its game over if they do.

 

[Count_Slapula]

Right now our concern is islamic fascists to our north and refugees flooding our borders, it will make us an easier target as time goes by as people keep dripping in, so far our intel has been great and we have stopped major attacks, dunno how long we can hold off before something happens, but if it does, I'm not sure how we will react.

"Intel"? You mean we have someone working on the "inside" :cheeky: Look man, heres a fact. The taliban is our counter-part. We trained and funded them even when Bin Laden was on the most wanted list decades ago. If they wanted Bin Laden by now they could of had him, but they don't. If anything you better worry about Israel, they are getting anxious to go to war with the Middle East as well as Britain after "uncovering plans" (because bin laden just leaves the blueprints conveniently laying outside the doorway of the KGB) of a bombing there. So either a disaster in Britain or Israel hungry for war (since we will back them up) could set off a middle eastern takeover. But don't take my word for it, listen to the homie Wesley Clark:



As far as this NK/SK conflict, I wouldn't worry about it tbh. Although the Armistice Agreement was stressed in an article and both the US and South Korea want NK to submit under it. This whole conflict seems nothing more than a ploy to to spread the agenda of United Nations conformity. Thats my take on it, I could be wrong or right, lets see what happens...

Article here:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html

 

[NAMO]

"Intel"? You mean we have someone working on the "inside" :cheeky: Look man, heres a fact. The taliban is our counter-part. We trained and funded them even when Bin Laden was on the most wanted list decades ago. If they wanted Bin Laden by now they could of had him, but they don't. If anything you better worry about Israel, they are getting anxious to go to war with the Middle East as well as Britain after "uncovering plans" (because bin laden just leaves the blueprints conveniently laying outside the doorway of the KGB) of a bombing there. So either a disaster in Britain or Israel hungry for war (since we will back them up) could set off a middle eastern takeover. But don't take my word for it, listen to the homie Wesley Clark:



As far as this NK/SK conflict, I wouldn't worry about it tbh. Although the Armistice Agreement was stressed in an article and both the US and South Korea want NK to submit under it. This whole conflict seems nothing more than a ploy to to spread the agenda of United Nations conformity. Thats my take on it, I could be wrong or right, lets see what happens...

Article here:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html

thats who we are fighting in afghanistan, the taliban. Wether or not bin laden was trained by the CIA is irrelevant, but for the record I agree he was.

the monster has already been created, now we have groups of islamic extremists that are trying to attack us on our home soil, for Australia specifically, Jamah Islamia in Indonesia to our north. And by Intel, I meant our Aussie Counter Terrorism, we have stopped numerous attacks here, might not have gotten alot of press over there in the states.

 

[Count_Slapula]

And what I'm saying is we really don't care about going after the taliban. Like anyone else will tell you they staged a terrorist attack just to invade other countries for their resources, afghanistan doesn't have any and thats why we aren't focusing our forces there. Don't get me wrong though, that does seem like a stretch but if we utilize it to invade all the other middle eastern countries then it will be justified. If we did it without it being provoked then everyone else would of been raising red flags and asking why America has to be bullies lol..

 

[SeriouslyThug]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/201837/war-made-easy

War Made Easy
Narrated by Sean Penn and based on the work of author Norman Solomon, WAR MADE EASY reaches into the Orwellian memory hole to expose 50 years of government spin and media collusion that has dragged our country into war after war from Vietnam to Iraq.

 

[HERESY]

And what I'm saying is we really don't care about going after the taliban. Like anyone else will tell you they staged a terrorist attack just to invade other countries for their resources, afghanistan doesn't have any and thats why we aren't focusing our forces there. Don't get me wrong though, that does seem like a stretch but if we utilize it to invade all the other middle eastern countries then it will be justified. If we did it without it being provoked then everyone else would of been raising red flags and asking why America has to be bullies lol..

Afghanistan doesn't have what? Resources? There are resources in the land a small $1 trillion dollar deposit, yes, but my friends are making sure that they get the biggest slice of the pie. This way, they can use the resources to make sure the good citizens of this country get their fair share of pills, creams and dreams!

Have a look for yourself:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

 

[Count_Slapula]

That may be true but I wouldn't trust the NY Times man, they tend to be biased like Fox News. But I will look more into it thanks!

I also forgot to add one more important thing about the NK/SK conflict, coincedentally the Secretary General Leader for the UN is South Korea's Ban Ki-moon. Which makes things alot more interesting following the fact they are ordering NK to submit and join. If only more people knew that...

 

[HERESY]

That may be true but I wouldn't trust the NY Times man, they tend to be biased like Fox News. But I will look more into it thanks!

I also forgot to add one more important thing about the NK/SK conflict, coincedentally the Secretary General Leader for the UN is South Korea's Ban Ki-moon. Which makes things alot more interesting following the fact they are ordering NK to submit and join. If only more people knew that...

The NY Times wasn't the only one who covered it.