Nobody is in jail because they committed a crime. . . .

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Jail at any cost?

By Antone Jenkins
Director of Chaplainry Milwaukee County Jail

“Nobody is in jail because they committed a crime; they are in jail because they don’t have any money,” I declared at the Benedict Center Workshop April 11.

“That’s a load of crap,” called out a lone angry voice.

“I’m glad you agree,” I responded to my new adversary, co0opting her angry disbelief and redirecting it at a pretrial detention system where hundreds of men, women and children who have not been proven guilty sit in jail at taxpayers’ expense, where the cost of incarceration is far more than the penalty they face … if convicted.

For example, a prisoner I’ll call Ms. Hadnot approached me, as Director of Chaplains in the Milwaukee County Jail, to inquire if I knew of anyone that could help her post bail.
Hadnot said she was in jail for retail theft, a misdemeanor (nonviolent) offense, and that her bail was $50. She had been in jail for one week, her two children were in ‘foster care’ and she had no stable family or friends in the city. I told Hadnot I would contact the Benedict Center’s Harm Reduction Program to see if staff could advocate for her pretrial release to the Program.

Now let me address the economics of Hadnot’s one week of incarceration in dollars and sense. The numbers: bail, $50; cost of keeping Hadnot in the Jail for one week, approximately $700; Health and Human Services (foster care) cost, approximately $1,800.

The total economic cost of keeping Hadnot incarcerated for one week, approximately $2,500; the human cost of forcibly separating the children from their mother, priceless.

I’m not good with numbers game, but I have enough sense to know that it doesn’t make good sense to keep an offender in jail for any length of time for a minor offense. At some point in the criminal justice process, Hadnot, through her public defender (also provided at taxpayer expense), will plea-bargain her case to a small fine and community service. Hadnot’s main problem is that she needs to feed her children and her drug habit.

I’m not minimizing Hadnot’s responsibility for taking care of herself and her children without causing harm to her community, but I am critical of the criminal justice system and its notice for keeping persons locked up at enormous taxpayer expense, and the lack of public out cry regarding this policy in the face of record deficits in government spending.

Compare Hadnot to another person who was ultimately convicted in the murder of a young disabled man a few years ago in Oak Creek. Let’s call this man Mr. Haad. Haad was charged initially with being “party to the crime of first-degree reckless homicide.” Haad is the son of middle class parents who share some success in political circles. Bail for Haad was about $10,000 and was posted by his family within hours of his arrest. Haad had a ‘paid’ lawyer with a significantly lower caseload than the public defender.

Back to my original statement: “Nobody is in jail for committing a crime; they are in jail because they don’t have any money.”

We’re comparing an accused shoplifter and an accused murderer, a nonviolent and a violent charge, a poor mother and a privileged young man, one incarcerated for one week and one free within hours of his arrest. What is the real difference between these two defendants? Money! Money makes the difference between sitting in jail and being free.
 

EDJ

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"MONEY TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS". "MONEY MAKES THE WORLD gO ROUND". "MONEY IS THE ROOT TO ALL EVIL". SHIT, MONEY IS WHY I WAS LOCCED UP AND A LOT OF SHIT IN MY LIFE.
 

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it can go either way.....people can have money and commit crimes or not commit crimes.....people with little money can commit crimes and also not do it. people make their own choices based on their situation...but everyone has a choice on whether or not to do something. anyone who says otherwise is a fool. People may not like their choices, but they ALWAYS have a choice.
 
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^^ of course(like my signature used to say "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." --Aesop, but thats not what this article was about. Its about the people that are in jail. The only ones that end up staying there are poor.
 
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Damn thats the truth!!!! Ive seen Child Molesters fools who shot people and rich folx who jack people get off, with nothin. Meanwhile I had to do almost 3 years over a stolen car? Whats the deal with that? I have done more time then 4 people I know who shot people. tHATS CRAZY ITS JUST i DIDNT HAVE THE SKRILLA TO GET A REAL ATTORNEY. I got a wack ass public defender who works in the same office and is paid by the same people who prosecuted me. Fuck That!!!! I hate our Legal system
 
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this shit pisses me off. i read that white collar crime costs the US 10 times what street crime costs the US, but white collar criminals spend on average 1 day in jail. and laws are made to reflect the interests of the rich. ie, its illegal to steal someone's property, but its not illegal to exploit the poor. this makes me question the system.
 

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I had a friend that went to jail....after he got out they hit him with some fee for being in jail????? I was like wtf...If you couldn't afford to pay your bail , how in the hell are you going to pay the fee for being in jail????.......I also state that we all make our choices in life...I know plenty of people that dont have money that has never went to jail.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Lawyers have a much bigger impact in court cases then people think. The better the lawyer, the better your chances; the more money you have, the better your lawyer; CEO's generally have plenty of money while those who have to result to stealing pizza, obviously don't have enough. It is no coincidence that people who go with public defenders get the shit end of every deal. I personally know someone who is doin' 10 to life for a murder he didn't committ. He was present at the time, but the people who actually did the killing -- he didn't even know them; guilty by association. He went with a public defender, dumb move. Judges don't sentence you only according to your crime, it's all in the way your lawyer makes you look. Just like a mortgage broker -- their entire purpose is to take all of your financial information, puzzle it together in a *perfect* way, then present it to a bank and bam, you got loan even though you had a bankruptcy. There is a seemingly endless amount of rules and loop-holes in the system, and the better your lawyer knows them, the better he can exploit them. That is what seperates a good lawyer from a "I can't make it as a real lawyer" public defender. If you want my personal opinion, public defenders are just out of work, can't find a job, bankrupt lawyers.
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ColdBlooded said:
^^ of course(like my signature used to say "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." --Aesop, but thats not what this article was about. Its about the people that are in jail. The only ones that end up staying there are poor.
 
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^^^^ for the most part you are right, most of the people that are in jail are poor.

but that is because they are more prone to make the wrong CHOICES in life than their middle calss and/or upper class fellow americans.

they make their choices because they have nothing to lose as to where the others have more to lose.
 
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^I agree with that^

On a speech that I wrote for my public speaking class, on "H.I.V and it's cultural effects", I addressed that the disease is so common amongst African Americans partly because in areas of poverty they do not have so much to live for. I wrote:

"If we build resource centers, offer more education, and create more public wareness for HIV, then we can spread the word and educate the masses of this crisis. If we can give those suffering in poverty a better life, maybe they would be more willing to live and fight for it; they would take the initiate to preserve and prolong life."

Basically what I'm saying is that, people who live a more financially stable and happy life, are more likely to take precautionary measures in order to stay healthy and out of trouble. On the flipside, a minority teen living in poverty; is he going to do whatever he can to save his live so as to prolong his existance in poverty?

It's like a starving youth eating a peice of bread so that he may stay hungry for another day.

Money...