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I see you, Roberto Slob.

Gordon is undersized for his position, and his streaky, and is a better sixth man; and hey, guess what? He IS the sixth man...I'd take him coming off my bench any day of the week if I was Skiles...

Wallace IS going down, and Noah...SHOULD go up; no promises, though. But I don't see Noah as a DOMINANT >>>STARTING<<< center on a CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER; Ben Wallace was.

Good points, though.
 
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Yeah, leadership ability is something that ben has, and you can't be sure about noah with that.. however he did win back-to-back nat. titles at florida, so that's a good sign. He was the face of that team, as well.
 

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kobe was a huuuuge part in shaq leaving...you dont think if kobe and shaq had a diff relationship w each other things would turned out the same...shaq still had game, he won another one w miami w wade, you telling me the vet lakers couldnt have done the same with a even better player than wade in kobe?
kobe is a selfish person and it shows in his game, he might not have been conspisinrg w buss to send shaq on but it didnt hepl that kobe is bitchmade and turned the situation where it was a situation of "he goes or i go" , and not in those words but in basketball more than any other sport, can a single crybaby bitchmade pouting millionare ruin the season for a whole team...face it, kobe had as much to do w shaq walking by his actions, words, attitude, etc etc towards the whole sitaution...youre right...shaq never had problem w hardaway etc etc...it was kobe having a problem w shaq being the man and him being a bitch...what both of them fail to see is that w/o each other, they aint shit.
 
Jun 15, 2005
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I agree that Kobe is a pouting millionaire who is ruining his team.

I don't believe anymore that he had a huge part in Shaq leaving. I believed it when it first went down, but not after Shaq came out and said that Dr. Buss had more to do with it than anybody. Kobe had a problem running the offense through him, just like he had a problem with always running the triangle. It's well know that his selfishness couldn't take losing some spotlight to a bigger superstar (at that time), but I don't think it went so far as Kobe giving the Lakers a "him or me" ultimatum.
 

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im not aying kobe said that..although wouold it really surprise you...im saying...actions speak louder than words...kobe didnt have to say anything to buss directly...all those years together you dont think it was obvious to the organization that shit wouldnt wokr out w both of them...we as sports fans knew how big a problem these guys had, ou dont think anybody else close to the saw it...a young baller like kobe with his superstarness and his potential had a bigger upside than a fat ass retar like shaq...now with all those years of kobe snaking to the media about locker room happenings etc etc...youre telling me it wasnt a one or the other deal?...and it was in kobes hands...all dude had to do was keep his mouth shut and probly woulda one more rings and at same time coulda developed more yount alent so that when shaq left LA kobe would still have talent to work with and players hed been winning with...kobe is a bitch
 
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It is well within the realm of possibility, so lots of people speculated on it and the media then enjoyed playing on it. Of the parties that could actually speak on it with authority (Buss, Kobe, Shaq, Phil, Kupchak - players) only Shaq spoke up. He had no vested interest in saying something that would take some of the responsibilty off of Kobe, but he did it. That to me, speaks volumes.

EDIT: and I agree, Kobe is a bitch. I've said it in past posts. He needs to shut up and play ball. The front office needs to come out and say they're done listening, they're not trading him anymore.