'Multiverse Theory' Holds That the Universe is a Virtual Reality Matrix

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'Multiverse Theory' Holds That the Universe is a Virtual Reality Matrix

Sydney Morning Herald | July 22 2004



The multiverse theory has spawned another - that our universe is a simulation, writes Paul Davies.

If you've ever thought life was actually a dream, take comfort. Some pretty distinguished scientists may agree with you. Philosophers have long questioned whether there is in fact a real world out there, or whether "reality" is just a figment of our imagination.

Then along came the quantum physicists, who unveiled an Alice-in-Wonderland realm of atomic uncertainty, where particles can be waves and solid objects dissolve away into ghostly patterns of quantum energy.

Now cosmologists have got in on the act, suggesting that what we perceive as the universe might in fact be nothing more than a gigantic simulation.

The story behind this bizarre suggestion began with a vexatious question: why is the universe so bio-friendly? Cosmologists have long been perplexed by the fact that the laws of nature seem to be cunningly concocted to enable life to emerge. Take the element carbon, the vital stuff that is the basis of all life. It wasn't made in the big bang that gave birth to the universe. Instead, carbon has been cooked in the innards of giant stars, which then exploded and spewed soot around the universe.

The process that generates carbon is a delicate nuclear reaction. It turns out that the whole chain of events is a damned close run thing, to paraphrase Lord Wellington. If the force that holds atomic nuclei together were just a tiny bit stronger or a tiny bit weaker, the reaction wouldn't work properly and life may never have happened.

The late British astronomer Fred Hoyle was so struck by the coincidence that the nuclear force possessed just the right strength to make beings like Fred Hoyle, he proclaimed the universe to be "a put-up job". Since this sounds a bit too much like divine providence, cosmologists have been scrambling to find a scientific answer to the conundrum of cosmic bio-friendliness.

The one they have come up with is multiple universes, or "the multiverse". This theory says that what we have been calling "the universe" is nothing of the sort. Rather, it is an infinitesimal fragment of a much grander and more elaborate system in which our cosmic region, vast though it is, represents but a single bubble of space amid a countless number of other bubbles, or pocket universes.

Things get interesting when the multiverse theory is combined with ideas from sub-atomic particle physics. Evidence is mounting that what physicists took to be God-given unshakeable laws may be more like local by-laws, valid in our particular cosmic patch, but different in other pocket universes. Travel a trillion light years beyond the Andromeda galaxy, and you might find yourself in a universe where gravity is a bit stronger or electrons a bit heavier.

The vast majority of these other universes will not have the necessary fine-tuned coincidences needed for life to emerge; they are sterile and so go unseen. Only in Goldilocks universes like ours where things have fallen out just right, purely by accident, will sentient beings arise to be amazed at how ingeniously bio-friendly their universe is.

It's a pretty neat idea, and very popular with scientists. But it carries a bizarre implication. Because the total number of pocket universes is unlimited, there are bound to be at least some that are not only inhabited, but populated by advanced civilisations - technological communities with enough computer power to create artificial consciousness. Indeed, some computer scientists think our technology may be on the verge of achieving thinking machines.

It is but a small step from creating artificial minds in a machine, to simulating entire virtual worlds for the simulated beings to inhabit. This scenario has become familiar since it was popularised in The Matrix movies.

Now some scientists are suggesting it should be taken seriously. "We may be a simulation ... creations of some supreme, or super-being," muses Britain's astronomer royal, Sir Martin Rees, a staunch advocate of the multiverse theory. He wonders whether the entire physical universe might be an exercise in virtual reality, so that "we're in the matrix rather than the physics itself".

Is there any justification for believing this wacky idea? You bet, says Nick Bostrom, a philosopher at Oxford University, who even has a website devoted to the topic ( http://www.simulation-argument.com). "Because their computers are so powerful, they could run a great many simulations," he writes in The Philosophical Quarterly.

So if there exist civilisations with cosmic simulating ability, then the fake universes they create would rapidly proliferate to outnumber the real ones. After all, virtual reality is a lot cheaper than the real thing. So by simple statistics, a random observer like you or me is most probably a simulated being in a fake world. And viewed from inside the matrix, we could never tell the difference.

Or could we? John Barrow, a colleague of Martin Rees at Cambridge University, wonders whether the simulators would go to the trouble and expense of making the virtual reality foolproof. Perhaps if we look closely enough we might catch the scenery wobbling.

He even suggests that a glitch in our simulated cosmic history may have already been discovered, by John Webb at the University of NSW. Webb has analysed the light from distant quasars, and found that something funny happened about 6 billion years ago - a minute shift in the speed of light. Could this be the simulators taking their eye off the ball?

I have to confess to being partly responsible for this mischief. Last year I wrote an item for The New York Times, saying that once the multiverse genie was let out of the bottle, Matrix-like scenarios inexorably follow. My conclusion was that perhaps we should retain a healthy scepticism for the multiverse concept until this was sorted out. But far from being a dampener on the theory, it only served to boost enthusiasm for it.

Where will it all end? Badly, perhaps. Now the simulators know we are on to them, and the game is up, they may lose interest and decide to hit the delete button. For your own sake, don't believe a word that I have written.

Paul Davies is professor of natural philosophy at Macquarie University's Australian Centre for Astrobiology. His latest book is How to Build a Time Machine.
 
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Journalists and Scientists = Best Friends. One likes to talk alot...one loves new stories. The perfect match.

And i love the way they use "Theory" (instead of Hypothesis), as if its even a BORDERLINE fact, even CAPABLE of being tested.
 
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tadou said:
Journalists and Scientists = Best Friends. One likes to talk alot...one loves new stories. The perfect match.

And i love the way they use "Theory" (instead of Hypothesis), as if its even a BORDERLINE fact, even CAPABLE of being tested.


LOL how could they even begin to test something this far out? I mean this is the type of shit u think about when ur on acid or smoked too much weed.
 
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tadou said:
Journalists and Scientists = Best Friends. One likes to talk alot...one loves new stories. The perfect match.

And i love the way they use "Theory" (instead of Hypothesis), as if its even a BORDERLINE fact, even CAPABLE of being tested.
Not only that but let's look at this "theory:"
1) Our existance was a creation
2) Creation implies a creator
3) This creator we cannot see but we know he/she/it/they is(are) there

I always thought Scientist didn't need faith they had facts. As long as the other option is "divine providence" let's just make shit up. Science at it's finest.
 
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MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
Not only that but let's look at this "theory:"
1) Our existance was a creation
2) Creation implies a creator
3) This creator we cannot see but we know he/she/it/they is(are) there

I always thought Scientist didn't need faith they had facts. As long as the other option is "divine providence" let's just make shit up. Science at it's finest.
Yeah...lets just make up shit, like a book, about who made us, and all the stories of the history of man. Then we could pick a day, any day will do, how about Sunday, yeah, Sunday will be the day that we go to various buildings, and thank this creator for creating us. Then we will read from this book, filled with facts, because a book written by man, about mans creator couldn't be wrong. And after sometime the man at the front of the church will ask for our money, to show our level of faith. Sounds good to me, first let me put on my wool glasses so I can fit in better with the flock.
 
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Yeah...lets just make up shit, like a book, about who made us, and all the stories of the history of man. Then we could pick a day, any day will do, how about Sunday, yeah, Sunday will be the day that we go to various buildings, and thank this creator for creating us. Then we will read from this book, filled with facts, because a book written by man, about mans creator couldn't be wrong. And after sometime the man at the front of the church will ask for our money, to show our level of faith. Sounds good to me, first let me put on my wool glasses so I can fit in better with the flock.


What if historians could poke holes through all the facts that your book claims to have.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Yeah...lets just make up shit, like a book, about who made us, and all the stories of the history of man. Then we could pick a day, any day will do, how about Sunday, yeah, Sunday will be the day that we go to various buildings, and thank this creator for creating us. Then we will read from this book, filled with facts, because a book written by man, about mans creator couldn't be wrong. And after sometime the man at the front of the church will ask for our money, to show our level of faith. Sounds good to me, first let me put on my wool glasses so I can fit in better with the flock.
Sad how you're obviously attacking Christianity when there are hundreds of religions. I don't think the Abrahamic (or most other major) religions have survived countless of years because they're full of shit.
 
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MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
Sad how you're obviously attacking Christianity when there are hundreds of religions. I don't think the Abrahamic (or most other major) religions have survived countless of years because they're full of shit.
Christianity...maybe, I tried to keep it vague, but I wanted it to be recognizable. I don't believe that religion, any religion is "full of shit," and I don't knock people for following them. I do however find it hard to swallow the rhetoric that gets spewed from blind supporters of faith any time creation and science come into a conversation. Religious "freaks" will tell me how full of shit science is, and then try to convince me of a "being," a "god," a so called creator watching over us. Oh, OK, that scientific mumbo-jumbo has to go, but I can get with this omnimpotent, all mighty being thing, yeah, that's beginning to clear up all the questions I have...not really.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
I don't believe that religion, any religion is "full of shit," and I don't knock people for following them.
That's good but then you go on to say...
L Mac-a-docious said:
I do however find it hard to swallow the rhetoric that gets spewed from blind supporters of faith
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Religious "freaks" will tell me how full of shit science is, and then try to convince me of a "being," a "god," a so called creator watching over us.
Why call them 'freaks' and attack their beliefs?

There is no proof against God, either direct or inderect. Yet there is proof to the existance and validity of a "Creator/God." For example this Multiverse Theory.
 
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Why call them 'freaks' and attack their beliefs?

There is no proof against God, either direct or inderect.QUOTE]

When I say "freaks" I am talking about religious people that are so geeked up on religion that they couldn't even have this conversation. And as far as there being no proof against god... you could also say there's no proof against leprechauns, but what does that mean?
 
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MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
There is no proof against God, either direct or inderect. Yet there is proof to the existance and validity of a "Creator/God." For example this Multiverse Theory
There is no proof whatsoever against nor for a Creator/God for the simple fact that it is outside the scope of science. Of course, you might have arrived at your conclusion if you accept creationism/"Intelligent Design" or other non- or pseudoscientific approaches as proof.

As for your comment about "the multiverse theory" being proof of the existence of God -- It shows that you have not understood the idea of the multiverse theory at all. I suggest you re-read the article. Let me highlight some parts of the text for clarification.

The multiverse theory has spawned another - that our universe is a simulation, writes Paul Davies.
So the multiverse theory does by no means imply that our universe is a simulation, but it has spawned the idea among some scientists.

Multiverse:

The one they have come up with is multiple universes, or "the multiverse". This theory says that what we have been calling "the universe" is nothing of the sort. Rather, it is an infinitesimal fragment of a much grander and more elaborate system in which our cosmic region, vast though it is, represents but a single bubble of space amid a countless number of other bubbles, or pocket universes.
The vast majority of these other universes will not have the necessary fine-tuned coincidences needed for life to emerge; they are sterile and so go unseen. Only in Goldilocks universes like ours where things have fallen out just right, purely by accident, will sentient beings arise to be amazed at how ingeniously bio-friendly their universe is.
Not exactly supportive of "God".

For more, you can try this for starters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

It's a pretty neat idea, and very popular with scientists. But it carries a bizarre implication. Because the total number of pocket universes is unlimited, there are bound to be at least some that are not only inhabited, but populated by advanced civilisations - technological communities with enough computer power to create artificial consciousness
HERE comes the simulation argument. It is, fundamentally, a philosophical question/argument, and, as you might imagine, not very much supported inside the field of science, as such. Notice that there is no mention of a God-like being.

For more on the simulation argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_argument

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I had a huge more elaborate reply but i said fuck it. I'll just focus on a point of what you said.
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It shows that you have not understood the idea of the multiverse theory at all. I suggest you re-read the article. Let me highlight some parts of the text for clarification.
Maybe I didn't understand it. Or maybe you missed my point. So let me quote Davies
Davies said:
"Why is nature so ingeniously, one might even say suspiciously, friendly to life? What do the laws of physics care about life and consciousness that they should conspire to make a hospitable universe? It's almost as if a Grand Designer had it all figured out."
Now back to what I said:
Me said:
There is no proof against God, either direct or inderect. Yet there is proof to the existance and validity of a "Creator/God." For example this Multiverse Theory
1) Davies is quoted saying that the universe is eerily too well placed yet he cannot accept a Creator. So he reverts to his MultiVerse Theory.
2) There is no proof that I was able to find to support the claim of a multiverse. Just a bunch of speculation.
3) Davies is left with one of two choices. Accept that the universe if finely tuned (the anthropic principle) or believe the unsubstantiated multiverse 'theory.' He choses the one with no proof. Seems he prefers faith to real science.
4) Over simplifying my case: I killed Bob. James saw me kill Bob. The cops come. They know I have a motive, I have the knife in my hands, and James is telling them I killed Bob. I have no proof of my innocence yet make up a lie about James really being the killer. The cops chose my lie because they refuse to believe that I am a murderer. This doesnt strenghten my lie it just shows the incompetence of the cops.