Mixing Question

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i'm using both Cubase SX and SONAR 4, for different songs i've recorded...on the computer the songs sound good, but when i play them on something else (portable cd player, stereo, car, etc.) they don't sound right...i can't really explain it, i wanna say it sounds muffled...if anybody thinks they can help me, check out these 2 tracks...i wanna know what it is i need to do in the mixing process to fix this (if anyone can figur out what i mean by "muffled")...also, i'm still learnin the mixing process of recording music...

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thats probably why your mixing doesnt sound that great... since you aitn got enough moneyfor monitors yet... i'd use your studio headphones instead of computer speakers until you save up enough for monitors

pz
 

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Probably not the best idea to mix with headphones, direct sound pressure compacting in your ears over a period of time will give your ears a false interperretation of what it will actually sound like and probably make it sound worse. Headphone mixes should only be used for talent for the most part. Technically you could monitor succesfully with what you have till you can get better stuff if you know the frequency response of the speakers you have and know the limitations they have and adjust in your mix for it. For the most part alot of songs on the radio aren't monitored with super flossy monitors anyways since engineers know that the average person doesn't have 5000 dollar monitors in their house. Most the radio hits are monitored with 300 dollar self powered monitors maybe compared to more expensive unpowered ones.

Do you have a decent audio interface/soundcard?, that could contribute to the problem too.
 
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jayda650 said:
Probably not the best idea to mix with headphones, direct sound pressure compacting in your ears over a period of time will give your ears a false interperretation of what it will actually sound like and probably make it sound worse. Headphone mixes should only be used for talent for the most part. Technically you could monitor succesfully with what you have till you can get better stuff if you know the frequency response of the speakers you have and know the limitations they have and adjust in your mix for it. For the most part alot of songs on the radio aren't monitored with super flossy monitors anyways since engineers know that the average person doesn't have 5000 dollar monitors in their house. Most the radio hits are monitored with 300 dollar self powered monitors maybe compared to more expensive unpowered ones.

Do you have a decent audio interface/soundcard?, that could contribute to the problem too.
to answer you question, i have a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 4...

also, like i said before i'm kinda new to recording and mixing (about 2 years) and i'm not really in the know of what's need to be done...i have books on how to work the programs, so thats not a problem...its knowin what to adjust, turn up, turn down, etc., etc. to get what i want in the end product during the mixing process...if i get some info on that that'd be very helpful...

HERESY said:
The songs wont play.
there workin for me...try them again...
 

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Only one song plays now. When I tried to play the other it takes me to a sign in page. Anyway the first thing you should do is get the person to back off the microphone. I can hear distortion in the vocal tracks. The second thing to do is track with compression or apply some sort of compression after the track has been recorded. The third thing to do is use your pan paots and faders. Use these before you attempt to use EQ on the tracks. I'm going to show you a BEFORE and AFTER job I did at my studio. I was working with this artist and planned to release his album but he pulled some EXTREMLY faulty shit. Never bite the hand that feeds you. Anyway the vocals and beat were recorded at a very small studio. Quality wise I could have done a much better job tracking him but he insisted on recording at the other spot (with the other producer). I told the producer how to PROPERLY record tracks but he insisted on doing it his way. He clipped the output buss by at least 4 db and that’s NOT a good thing.


Listen to the BEFORE track and import it to your music program so you can look at the wave form and peaks. Now listen to the AFTER version which I mixed. I'll let it speak for itself. Post questions or give a response after you’ve peeped it.

LOUDNESS does NOT = KNOCK. If you can remember this you’ll be ok.

BEFORE:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2KPNM408NZPGH03CCGX4D29B56


AFTER:


http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22TJ1M1BD9G4O3SFC0LQQISMVP



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alright...i kinda hear the difference in the two tracks...my main question is, what exactly is compression...i've read a few places about using compressions during recording, but don't know exactly what it is...
 

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If you "kinda" hear the difference between the two tracks you need to work on how properly listen to a song. It's all on your ears man. If you can't hear whats going on nothing else can help you. I dont care if you have a trillion dollar lab with gazillion dollar speaks with a properly tuned room. If you can't hear whats going on and dont know what to listen for you're doomed before you start.

my main question is, what exactly is compression
I advise you is to listen to both tracks one more time. Does the after track have kick drums all over the place? what about the bass? is it all over the place? what about the overall level of the song? is it all over the place? No. Why? Proper use of compression on the individual tracks and master buss. Compression in a nutshell allows you to raise the level of the material (make it louder), evens out the material (like a vocal track being consistent in volume and energy) and keeps transients from creating distortion (something your track did in the vocal recording process).


i've read a few places about using compressions during recording, but don't know exactly what it is...

If you've read it in a few places why don't you get it yet? Once again compression in a nutshell allows you to raise the level of the material (make it louder), evens out the material (like a vocal track being consistent in volume and energy) and keeps transients from creating distortion (something your track did in the vocal recording process).


NOW that we know this you have to ask yourself, HOW do you use compression? :classic:


My last bit of advice is to start listening to music from a pure TECHNICAL standpoint. Anita baker RAPTURE (the entire album). You can start with that.
 
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u know how u add compression to make the waves the same size, i was wondering if u can do that without effecting the tone of the vocal....

cuz u know when u add compression the wave comes out more trebelized, I was wondering if u can compress without having it do that....

you see, I got these tracks where the dude peaks in some areas and is low in others...what im tryna do is have the peaks AND low spots come together to the average height so its all evened out so u dont notice the peaks or low spots....AND im trying to do this without changing the tone of the voice....because the voice has good quality and I dont want to change that..and usually when u compress it changes the tone of the voice...sounds crispier, trebelized etc....so I was wondering if theres a way u can do that without that happening.
 
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You can try rms (not peak) normalizing which will help a bit.

Ideally you want to use a compressor for what you want to do over normalizing. You just need to find a compressor that is "transparent" and that doesn't add its own "signature" to the reacording you are applying compression to. If using software, and you probably are, then you want to look at the sonalksis compressor for transparency.

Then again that's why you also have an equalizer in almost every situation. If you want to use your current compressor, then eq the highs down a notch after compressing to get rid of the highs that you don't want.
 

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u know how u add compression to make the waves the same size, i was wondering if u can do that without effecting the tone of the vocal....
I don't add compression to make the waves the same size. I don't care about how the waves look (except in cases of distortion) I'm more concerned with how it sounds. I can have a wave that looks BIG but have one that looks small sound louder. Compression and automation.


cuz u know when u add compression the wave comes out more trebelized, I was wondering if u can compress without having it do that....

This may be due too much compression or the way you have your eq setup BEFORE or AFTER the compressor. Find a compressor with no coloring and use it.


you see, I got these tracks where the dude peaks in some areas and is low in others...what im tryna do is have the peaks AND low spots come together to the average height so its all evened out so u dont notice the peaks or low spots....

22sleepy gave you great advice take heed:


Ideally you want to use a compressor for what you want to do over normalizing. You just need to find a compressor that is "transparent" and that doesn't add its own "signature" to the reacording you are applying compression to. If using software, and you probably are, then you want to look at the sonalksis compressor for transparency

and usually when u compress it changes the tone of the voice...sounds crispier, trebelized etc....so I was wondering if theres a way u can do that without that happening.

back off the compressor you're probably adding too much.


Have you ever heard of side chaining?