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HERESY

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kayvee said:
i guess my family is old school..with the exception of my ipod. lol
we like going to the movies and games. :D

~k.
Nah, see think about things besides going to the movies. Think about things women are into like perfume. Yeah lets use that as an example. You can try out a perfume when they put the samples in Cosmo, but what else do you get with Cosmo? You get dating advice, health advice, fashion tips, movie reviews, games and a GANGLOAD of advertisement. Do you see how everything is becoming compact and all in one? Think about the Jetsons for a second. Didn't they have pills that were entire meals?
 
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HERESY said:
(emphasis mine)

Look at the underlined words in bold. Would you say the same thing about Blockbuster Video or NetFlix?

I gotta hit the sack, but I'll explain some of this tommorow. I'll cut and paste excerpts from my essay and post it here.

It has been a while since I hit the movierentals I only do this in exeption when I either plan this in advance with some friends or when I'm chilling a night with my girl (which I don't have at the time so it's also not a near future plan)

It was a good read though, its sad to see how many mac donalds, KFC, Burger Kings there are spreaded all over europe. And true (I don't know who said it) but it won't be long for they hit Iraq long live the "free market"
 

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iaoish said:
It has been a while since I hit the movierentals I only do this in exeption when I either plan this in advance with some friends or when I'm chilling a night with my girl (which I don't have at the time so it's also not a near future plan)

It was a good read though, its sad to see how many mac donalds, KFC, Burger Kings there are spreaded all over europe. And true (I don't know who said it) but it won't be long for they hit Iraq long live the "free market"
You can watch a movie with your girl or friends at home (5.1 surround sound, microwavable popcorn, plasma tv, controlled heat etc) or you can watch it in a theatre (stereo or surround, popcorn, old screen/projection, blasting ac etc.) Is the experience the same? You are watching a movie, but is the experience the same? Does anything feel different?
 
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HERESY said:
Nah, see think about things besides going to the movies. Think about things women are into like perfume. Yeah lets use that as an example. You can try out a perfume when they put the samples in Cosmo, but what else do you get with Cosmo? You get dating advice, health advice, fashion tips, movie reviews, games and a GANGLOAD of advertisement. Do you see how everything is becoming compact and all in one? Think about the Jetsons for a second. Didn't they have pills that were entire meals?
i cant remember if they had a pill. lack of sleep.

i see what you are saying, everything is a one stop shop nowadays. ipods with games...phones with cameras and mp3 players, printer-scanner-fax, fridges with tv's...etc.

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HERESY said:
You can watch a movie with your girl or friends at home (5.1 surround sound, microwavable popcorn, plasma tv, controlled heat etc) or you can watch it in a theatre (stereo or surround, popcorn, old screen/projection, blasting ac etc.) Is the experience the same? You are watching a movie, but is the experience the same? Does anything feel different?
I don't think its so much because of a visual or audio experiance (most people today have a pretty good tv and audio set those who don't are the people who don't go to the movie theathers either)

But when you rent,download or buy a movie you choose because either this movie isn't in the theathers anymore or you want to watch it in privacy, when your sick or don't have enough time to go to the cinema, the last times I went I was charged 8 euros for a ticket (I think the euro is 1,23 dollar about now) and it takes you also a half a day to "simply watch a movie"
I think people choose to go to the cinema to have a " quality day" like going to the zoo (for example)
 

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kayvee said:
i cant remember if they had a pill. lack of sleep.

i see what you are saying, everything is a one stop shop nowadays. ipods with games...phones with cameras and mp3 players, printer-scanner-fax, fridges with tv's...etc.

~k.
Yes, and what is it doing to us? Are we loosing individuality because of this? Are we experiencing health issues because of it? Has the family structure been compromised because of this?
 

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iaoish said:
I don't think its so much because of a visual or audio experiance (most people today have a pretty good tv and audio set those who don't are the people who don't go to the movie theathers either)

But when you rent,download or buy a movie you choose because either this movie isn't in the theathers anymore or you want to watch it in privacy, when your sick or don't have enough time to go to the cinema, the last times I went I was charged 8 euros for a ticket (I think the euro is 1,23 dollar about now) and it takes you also a half a day to "simply watch a movie"
I think people choose to go to the cinema to have a " quality day" like going to the zoo (for example)
(emphasis mine)

So, are the quality days dwindling?
 
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please explain what you mean by "emphise mine" its late and english is not my native tongue :)

For me the quality days are dwilling yes but when you ask other people they might say no, it's a relitive question I think.. everybody also has his/her own perception of quality too, some people are a lot happier with a lot less then others
 

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please explain what you mean by "emphise mine" its late and english is not my native tongue
I edited/added to your original statement by making some of the words BOLD. I am letting the readers know that it was not originally said (or implied) and that I'm making the addition.

For me the quality days are dwilling yes but when you ask other people they might say no, it's a relitive question I think.. everybody also has his/her own perception of quality too, some people are a lot happier with a lot less then others
What I mean by quality time is pretyy simple. Your quality time with your GF may be going out to a movie. 206's quality time with a GF may be sitting at home, listening to her problems and cuddling her (206 do you do that?)

The point is quality time is usually interaction between the parties that strengthens the social bonds that have already been established. Case n point, what happens when you fail to spend QT with your SO? Either one cheats and a breakup occurs or a fight happens and a breakup occurs. How you spend your QT isn't so much as important as the reason for doing it.

Let me ask you this, who do you think has a better family structure, the family that has dinner together, the mother makes the kids lunches, the father has his son with him when he runs errands etc, or the family where the kid stays in his room on the computer, the father has role conflict and role strain (caused by work), and the mother is looking for a nanny every two minutes?
 
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HERESY said:
Yes, and what is it doing to us? Are we loosing individuality because of this? Are we experiencing health issues because of it? Has the family structure been compromised because of this?
individuality is so overplayed right now i dont think we're losing any aspect of it. to be an individual is being pushed heavily right now, ie: scion, nike id, customized pc's, ipods, sidekicks, etc. generation y.

loss of hearing from ipods, accidents from being on your cell phone, wii elbow, poor eyesight from sittin on the internet all day...sure.

has family structure been compromised? at least from what i can see in my personal life, i dont think so. however, i cant speak for all families.

~k.
 

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individuality is so overplayed right now i dont think we're losing any aspect of it. to be an individual is being pushed heavily right now, ie: scion, nike id, customized pc's, ipods, sidekicks, etc. generation y.
I disagree, I believe it is overplayed because it is marketable and has been mcdonaldized, but we have lost a lot of it. You mentioned the scion, nike id, custom pc's etc, but don't all these things still do what they were designed to do originally? Yes, you can customize your iPod, hack it, hell you can probably make a BOMB out of it, but your iPod is no different from the one I pass up in the stores everyday except if you wwitch yours up, and even if you do change it, your changes are limited to what the companies offer.

has family structure been compromised? at least from what i can see in my personal life, i dont think so. however, i cant speak for all families.
Ok, what about your friends?
 
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HERESY said:
I edited/added to your original statement by making some of the words BOLD. I am letting the readers know that it was not originally said (or implied) and that I'm making the addition.



Let me ask you this, who do you think has a better family structure, the family that has dinner together, the mother makes the kids lunches, the father has his son with him when he runs errands etc, or the family where the kid stays in his room on the computer, the father has role conflict and role strain (caused by work), and the mother is looking for a nanny every two minutes?
easy question, point made. But I was already aware of this fact

But most people let them lead by others by letting other people basicly tell them what is and what isn't quality time, and that's where the arguments kick in when you actually want to have some quality time with loved ones because you are doing something you wouldn't do if you would think for your self

@Kayvee I do think so.. howmany families are there where the mom and dad works to pay for your ipod (or just to get around and make a living), what happen to the children? They don't get the attention they should, and they deserve. Being raised without a families love when they are grown and have children themself they are unable to pass this through to their children because they are unfarmilliar with this
 
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HERESY said:
I disagree, I believe it is overplayed because it is marketable and has been mcdonaldized, but we have lost a lot of it. You mentioned the scion, nike id, custom pc's etc, but don't all these things still do what they were designed to do originally? Yes, you can customize your iPod, hack it, hell you can probably make a BOMB out of it, but your iPod is no different from the one I pass up in the stores everyday except if you wwitch yours up, and even if you do change it, your changes are limited to what the companies offer.



Ok, what about your friends?
oh i know that the custom nike id [your name here in bold pink] ipod case does the same thing the $99 store ipod case does. and yes i agree that it is marketable...and heavily towards the mtv generation and generation-y.

this is what i was referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_customization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_customization

...as compared to Fordism.

my friends? they are at an age where they are settling down, kids, etc. they have the ipods, mickey d's, and whatever, but from what i can see that they still have their families values (at least some) and spend time wit their so's and kids.

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iaoish said:
@Kayvee I do think so.. howmany families are there where the mom and dad works to pay for your ipod (or just to get around and make a living), what happen to the children? They don't get the attention they should, and they deserve. Being raised without a families love when they are grown and have children themself they are unable to pass this through to their children because they are unfarmilliar with this
i think its up to the parents to ensure that they have that work/life balance that allows them to spend time with their children. regardless if you are working to put food on the table or buying your 3 y/o a plasma (sorry shea ha).

my 35 y/o brother probably spends more time with my mom than i do and i live at home with her.

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kayvee said:
i think its up to the parents to ensure that they have that work/life balance that allows them to spend time with their children. regardless if you are working to put food on the table or buying your 3 y/o a plasma (sorry shea ha).

my 35 y/o brother probably spends more time with my mom than i do and i live at home with her.

~k.

I don't think it's right to speak for everyone in this situation. Some people are really struggeling to make ends meat and then they have to spend time with their children and have their own life and responsibilities (which children is one of those and probably the biggest one offcourse) I don't have children so its hard for me to say anything about this but my life without them is already busy enough.
But when you are already struggeling to make your ends meat I think it's really hard to stay positive all the time and spend QT with your young ones (I know lots of people in this situation and thats where I'm speaking from. Because work ends at 5 for both parents, school ends at? what do the children in the meantime, everyday? they miss out on a lot of hours daily with their parents