LSD & it's medical value

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This is interesting, a good watch.

I like this:

"The difference between medicine and poison, is in the dose." --Dr. David Nichols










 
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the scientist who discovered DNA has a double helix structure was on LSD at the time he had the vision.... and steve jobs or one of those dudes who runs apple or IBM or somethin said that without LSD he would've never been able to come up with the concept of one of his inventions thats now an industry standard in the computer field
 

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I think a lot of drugs have medicinal/therapeutic values and they way they should be administered is with a professional doctor/therapist under certain guidelines.
 
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The fact that most Hallucinogens / Entheogens are schedule 1 "drugs" and shit like cocaine is a schedule 2 substance is wild.. IMO alot of hallucinogens are controlled because they have mind-expanding properties. A lot of people who have done hallucinogens have a hard time buying into the "system" afterwards... definitely a big threat to those who want to keep control.

An analogy of it that i've heard from someone else is that problems in someones life they took really seriously, or altercations between people... after hallucinogenic experiences are likened to watching mice fight over a piece of cheese. Puts shit in perspective... what actually matters in life.

I posted on here before about this but i had a friend who was a wild dude.. thugged the fuck out in and out of prison hooked on drugs armed robbery... real crazy shit and after he did DMT once.. he's a completely different person (for the most part). Alot more relaxed.. not involving himself in self-destructive activities anymore.. was really a positive thing for him
 

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The fact that most Hallucinogens / Entheogens are schedule 1 "drugs" and shit like cocaine is a schedule 2 substance is wild.. IMO alot of hallucinogens are controlled because they have mind-expanding properties. A lot of people who have done hallucinogens have a hard time buying into the "system" afterwards... definitely a big threat to those who want to keep control.

An analogy of it that i've heard from someone else is that problems in someones life they took really seriously, or altercations between people... after hallucinogenic experiences are likened to watching mice fight over a piece of cheese. Puts shit in perspective... what actually matters in life.

I posted on here before about this but i had a friend who was a wild dude.. thugged the fuck out in and out of prison hooked on drugs armed robbery... real crazy shit and after he did DMT once.. he's a completely different person (for the most part). Alot more relaxed.. not involving himself in self-destructive activities anymore.. was really a positive thing for him
I wanna do DMT hella bad. :(
 
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I wanna do DMT hella bad. :(
Lol me too.
I would like to smoke it but I wouldn't know where to get it though.
I know where I can get the vines, means I have to prepare the drink though.

But lately the list of psychedellics I still want to do is growing.
I've never done so much though.
 
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I wanna do DMT hella bad. :(

shits hard to get hold of... the DMT is in every organic thing on the planet for the most part but there's only a hand full really good plants to get the appropriate MAO inhibitor needed to let our body experience the effects of it.. i know ayahuasca being the most well known, acacia root... but it's a delicate process. Since the DMT is a naturally occurring neuro-transmitter in your brain.. and your body is used to the molecule being in your system already, If there isn't an MAO inhibitor to accompany the DMT then it's brought to base level too quickly and you can't experience the effects. But it's technically in you already, it's a neurotransmitter thats produced by the pineal gland(the third eye in eastern mysticism) which is a endocrine (ductless) gland in the center of your brain. Pumped into your system at night when you dream and also when you die.

Shit isn't your average hallucinogen, and definitely not some party type drug that you do to have a good time with... should be done in a quiet isolated place.. alone and laying down or sitting so you can lay back

It sounds like a crazy hippie thing to say but you don't go on some trip with that shit.. it deconstructs and bends your level on sensory reality input. In normal waking reality there's a peaceful equanimity in the composition that allows your senses to take in and interpret the wave-pattern information received through the eyes, ears, touch, taste, smell... and from that it creates a representation of the world in the mind. All that you see, hear, touch, taste, smell is in the mind... there is no "out there", your eyes aren't windows looking to an outside world, everything is decoded information representation in the mind... so with DMT the thermostat is cranked up on your input levels so that you experience information wavelengths that you normally aren't built to experience. Our senses only capture and represent a tiny fraction of the information existing in the universe. So the DMT experience is essentially opening the full spectrum.

The DMT experiences are said to be inseparable and parallel to descriptions of near death experiences and other phenomena of the like. The entire "trip" only lasts about 10 minutes before the MAO inhibitor wears off and your body takes it to base level.

Another friend of mine who tried it said that it was in no way like a hallucinogenic trip and he was convinced without a shred of doubt that he travelled to some other place and communicated with other beings. Both friends who tried it said that you don't feel "fucked up" like you would on LSD or shrooms or shit like that.. they said you feel perfectly awake and totally aware like you are in everyday experience but your experience just opens up and the world basically melts away. Both said that the other "place" they went to felt "more real" than this reality and that they both felt that the reality they experienced on DMT was in fact the true reality and this experience here is an illusion and is ultimately unreal. And both said that it was an experience that they were thankful for and respected and afterwards neither were in a rush to do it again for awhile. My one dude who lives out here in the bay who did it before has some right now.. shit has to be kept in the freezer air-tight seal and all that... he's waiting to head up to Tilden Park or somewhere in the oakland hills where he can be alone to do it again... been about 2 years since he did it the first time.
 
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Clips from The Spirit Molecule documentary being put together by Dr. Rick Strassman based on his in depth studies on DMT

Ralph Abraham: Mathematician Compares DMT Experience with LSD Experience:


Stan Grof MD: Most Powerful Experience.. likens it to Dharmakaya Awareness:


Ralph Abraham: The Illusion of time in the reality of our life


Dennis McKenna: Brother of the late Terrence McKenna
Universe Coming Awake To Itself


Marko Rodriguez PhD: Proof of alternate reality


James Oroc 5-MeO-DMT: The God Molecule Interview Pt. 2
 
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Yo, that prime number sh*t is a trip... So, he's suggestin' the elves are "real"...?
I wouldn't say they're elves i think the elf thing comes from a terrence mckenna interview.. but yeah man most people say they contact and communicate with other entities of some sort... like i said above and what most were saying in those clips it's not a hallucination anymore than your experience sitting in front of your computer right now is a hallucination... they're both created in your mind... i should just say created in what it is we refer to as mind and there's no "your" about it... and i'm not saying created in your mind to downplay the experience as if one is more legitimate than the other. They're both equally real and unreal. You sitting in front of your screen reading this is a hallucination.. experience is holographic in nature, you're experiencing a representation of wave-pattern information decoded in consciousness, consciousness being the totality of experienceable phenomena. The psychosomatic apparatus you call your body is a representation in consciousness... shits hard to explain i guess.

Basically you're built and conditioned to experience a certain level of reality... and all the DMT does is bend your input levels to access another level of reality thats already there but that you can't experience in what you consider normal consciousness.

So yes the "elves"(entities) are real... they're the same thing you are which is pure consciousness with infinite capability to create and manifest means to experience itself.
 

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shits hard to get hold of... the DMT is in every organic thing on the planet for the most part but there's only a hand full really good plants to get the appropriate MAO inhibitor needed to let our body experience the effects of it.. i know ayahuasca being the most well known, acacia root... but it's a delicate process. Since the DMT is a naturally occurring neuro-transmitter in your brain.. and your body is used to the molecule being in your system already, If there isn't an MAO inhibitor to accompany the DMT then it's brought to base level too quickly and you can't experience the effects. But it's technically in you already, it's a neurotransmitter thats produced by the pineal gland(the third eye in eastern mysticism) which is a endocrine (ductless) gland in the center of your brain. Pumped into your system at night when you dream and also when you die.

Shit isn't your average hallucinogen, and definitely not some party type drug that you do to have a good time with... should be done in a quiet isolated place.. alone and laying down or sitting so you can lay back

It sounds like a crazy hippie thing to say but you don't go on some trip with that shit.. it deconstructs and bends your level on sensory reality input. In normal waking reality there's a peaceful equanimity in the composition that allows your senses to take in and interpret the wave-pattern information received through the eyes, ears, touch, taste, smell... and from that it creates a representation of the world in the mind. All that you see, hear, touch, taste, smell is in the mind... there is no "out there", your eyes aren't windows looking to an outside world, everything is decoded information representation in the mind... so with DMT the thermostat is cranked up on your input levels so that you experience information wavelengths that you normally aren't built to experience. Our senses only capture and represent a tiny fraction of the information existing in the universe. So the DMT experience is essentially opening the full spectrum.
Yeah all of that goes along with what I've read on DMT. I'm aware of what I'm trying to sign up for. Shroom trips are a bit like that at times, but I feel they are be interpreted instead of taken at face value. I'm sure that's because the shrooms promote the production of DMT cells in our brain. Actually my last couple of hard shroom trips, I had to question what real is, and sort of saw the world being sort of similar to the movie the matrix in how we interpret it. I think that was just how my mind was able to envision and relate it for my perception. That we are each being fed individual realities to perceive and also sharing a larger bigger reality. I would liken a shroom trip to a dream, in that it's not to be taken at face value for the most part, but to be deciphered and interpreted after.

Thank you for the posting the videos, I'll be sure to watch them.
 
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Those interviews on page 1 that LyfeCentenz posted made me think of this book. It's so far a good read, and its quite entertaining. If anyone doesn't have the money for a copy, I can send mine to you once I'm done reading it. Just PM me and let me know if your interested.
 
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shits hard to get hold of... the DMT is in every organic thing on the planet for the most part but there's only a hand full really good plants to get the appropriate MAO inhibitor needed to let our body experience the effects of it.. i know ayahuasca being the most well known, acacia root... but it's a delicate process. Since the DMT is a naturally occurring neuro-transmitter in your brain.. and your body is used to the molecule being in your system already, If there isn't an MAO inhibitor to accompany the DMT then it's brought to base level too quickly and you can't experience the effects. But it's technically in you already, it's a neurotransmitter thats produced by the pineal gland(the third eye in eastern mysticism) which is a endocrine (ductless) gland in the center of your brain. Pumped into your system at night when you dream and also when you die.

Shit isn't your average hallucinogen, and definitely not some party type drug that you do to have a good time with... should be done in a quiet isolated place.. alone and laying down or sitting so you can lay back

It sounds like a crazy hippie thing to say but you don't go on some trip with that shit.. it deconstructs and bends your level on sensory reality input. In normal waking reality there's a peaceful equanimity in the composition that allows your senses to take in and interpret the wave-pattern information received through the eyes, ears, touch, taste, smell... and from that it creates a representation of the world in the mind. All that you see, hear, touch, taste, smell is in the mind... there is no "out there", your eyes aren't windows looking to an outside world, everything is decoded information representation in the mind... so with DMT the thermostat is cranked up on your input levels so that you experience information wavelengths that you normally aren't built to experience. Our senses only capture and represent a tiny fraction of the information existing in the universe. So the DMT experience is essentially opening the full spectrum.

The DMT experiences are said to be inseparable and parallel to descriptions of near death experiences and other phenomena of the like. The entire "trip" only lasts about 10 minutes before the MAO inhibitor wears off and your body takes it to base level.

Another friend of mine who tried it said that it was in no way like a hallucinogenic trip and he was convinced without a shred of doubt that he travelled to some other place and communicated with other beings. Both friends who tried it said that you don't feel "fucked up" like you would on LSD or shrooms or shit like that.. they said you feel perfectly awake and totally aware like you are in everyday experience but your experience just opens up and the world basically melts away. Both said that the other "place" they went to felt "more real" than this reality and that they both felt that the reality they experienced on DMT was in fact the true reality and this experience here is an illusion and is ultimately unreal. And both said that it was an experience that they were thankful for and respected and afterwards neither were in a rush to do it again for awhile. My one dude who lives out here in the bay who did it before has some right now.. shit has to be kept in the freezer air-tight seal and all that... he's waiting to head up to Tilden Park or somewhere in the oakland hills where he can be alone to do it again... been about 2 years since he did it the first time.
Not all that hard , If you seek it - You will find - but I'll pass , thats a 1 time thing I didn't really enjoy very much ..... was cool but INTENSE

I would only get or do that w/ a friend or safe setting . If I were you
 
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I wouldn't say they're elves i think the elf thing comes from a terrence mckenna interview.. but yeah man most people say they contact and communicate with other entities of some sort... like i said above and what most were saying in those clips it's not a hallucination anymore than your experience sitting in front of your computer right now is a hallucination... they're both created in your mind... i should just say created in what it is we refer to as mind and there's no "your" about it... and i'm not saying created in your mind to downplay the experience as if one is more legitimate than the other. They're both equally real and unreal. You sitting in front of your screen reading this is a hallucination.. experience is holographic in nature, you're experiencing a representation of wave-pattern information decoded in consciousness, consciousness being the totality of experienceable phenomena. The psychosomatic apparatus you call your body is a representation in consciousness... shits hard to explain i guess.

Basically you're built and conditioned to experience a certain level of reality... and all the DMT does is bend your input levels to access another level of reality thats already there but that you can't experience in what you consider normal consciousness.

So yes the "elves"(entities) are real... they're the same thing you are which is pure consciousness with infinite capability to create and manifest means to experience itself.
Have you tried DMT...?
 
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I have done shrooms, LSD, DMT and Mescaline and personally, I cannot fathom any medical value whatsoever. I suppose there could be specific cases where something like this could be beneficial, but for average people there isn't any benefit other than "tripping out" which can obviously spark some types of creative thoughts, etc.

As for "Breaking into the other side" or having spiritual experiences and all that, it all depends on who you are. I'm an atheist, I've been one as long as I remember, and I've never experienced any type of "spiritual" feeling whatsoever during the countless amounts of times I've tripped balls over the years. Never seen no elves on DMT, never felt god, never felt spirits, etc etc etc. It's who you are that depends on how you interpret your trips.

I'm sure if I was born a christian and was a believer, and spent time and did DMT with natives in Latin America I would easily label the experience as religious and deepfully meaningful. Again I think your trips are largely based on who you are.