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since wev had a couple money/investment thread i jus had one quick question.
I finally got a good enough income that i want take like a dollar a day and put it into a long term investment.something not high maintence like stocks,i wanna start another folder on stocks.but i was wondering if the best bet would be
bonds?
government bonds?
mutual funds?
cd's?
prob have 500-1k for base,then just keep adding year after year
 
Dec 25, 2003
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Bonds and CDs are for grandmas. A 4% return will not even grow your money sometimes, as inflation can be up to 4 or 5 percent yearly. The only people whom I would recommend a high allocation of bonds and CDs to would be people who need to avoid any and all possible risk, or people who are going to need their money soon.

What you want is a no-load, passively managed index fund. Index funds return 10% yearly on average since 1926. All 'index' funds do is track the S&P 500, Wilshire 5000, DJIA, or some other market index and purchase stocks in an equal 'weight' to the index they are tracking. These are the hands down best way to invest in mutual funds since they are not actively managed (cutting down on fees), they don't buy and sell often (cutting down on taxes), and they don't flip out and lose their mind when the market crashes (allowing you to buy cheap at the bottom). Passively managed funds are managed often by a computer, sometimes by one man with a checklist and program that does the buying and selling with one click every day.

The proportion of stocks and bonds you want is based on your age and risk tolerance. Since you are young, you want to weigh heavily (80-90%) in stocks, since thats where the money is made. The reason people move out of stocks when they get older is that stocks also fluctuate, and they dont want to withdraw their money at a time when their overall portfolio is down 30%.

To give you an overall picture of what you could make, it all depends on the dollar amount you invest. If you want to invest for 20 years, (best way to go) and start with 500 dollars investing 500 dollars a year, (and increase annual amount with inlfation - important) you will have invested 18gs total and you will come out with 60,000 in the end.

The more you invest, obviously, the more money you will make. If you could afford to put away 400 dollars a month, (5 gs a year), at the end of 20 years you will have made 326,000 dollars, and invested about 120k. It doesn't sound like much, especially considering you invested 120 thousand dollars, but if your annual expenses are 50k a year, 320,000 means you won't have to work for 6 years, and thats if you stop working. If you keep your money in and continue to let it reinvest, the benefits can be substantial. That same 5k a year over 30 years instead of 20 will make you 900,000 dollars, almost a million, off a 200k investment.

Now, of course, this sounds like a lot of fuckin money to everyone here (400 a month...), but it's actually not hard to shave off.

I dont:
1. Eat out at restaurants or fast food places.
2. Go to the movies
3. Spend extra money on shit I don't need (clothes, dumb shit like rims, jewelry, etc.)

Right now I make 15 dollars an hour, and after inve4sting for 4 years I have a portfolio worth of about 50k. Even if I completely stopped investing now, I would still have 250k in 20 years. It's all about sacrifices now to get what you want, and finding cost-effective ways of entertaining yourself.

I'm all about reading, free or low cost arts and music exhibitions, and what I call "urban BMX", smashin through the city on a one speed at like 20 mph - probly dangerous, but still fun as fuck.

The most important thing you can do, money-wise, is learn to live below your means. It's all about shavin that 5 dollars here and that 10 dollars there. I was making 9 dollars an hour and still putting away 250 a month. Now I'm definitely not financially independent at 15...lmao...but I have a better paying job lined up and I already have way more than I should in my portfolio.

Gettin rich is not complex or impossible, and it has nothing to do with the amount of crack or records you sell...
 
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DeceptaKhan said:
since wev had a couple money/investment thread i jus had one quick question.
I finally got a good enough income that i want take like a dollar a day and put it into a long term investment.something not high maintence like stocks,i wanna start another folder on stocks.but i was wondering if the best bet would be
bonds?
government bonds?
mutual funds?
cd's?
prob have 500-1k for base,then just keep adding year after year

IRA

5000
 
Jul 12, 2002
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Like White Devil said, don't fuck with CD's or bonds, unless you are really insecure at the fact that you MIGHT lose money. And ESPECIALLY dont have your money sitting in a savings account thinking you are generating income with that because you are not. More often than not, the interest rate on a savings account is LESS than the inflation rate. That means you are actually losing money if that is the case. I know that you didn't mention savings accounts as an option but I just thought I would put that out there for others to read so they were informed.

I was just talking to my dad about me getting into mutual funds the other day. He just retired and is now a financial planner. He said in a year a mutual fund can on average give you a 10-11% return, but you still run the risk of losing money. Mutual funds are obviously not as risky as purchasing individual stocks though, because they are a group of stocks which are chosen based on their past performance, and even if one were to flop it has the other stocks in it to help balance it out. I didn't really get into index funds with my dad but I would take white devil's word for it on those if his description is accurate, which im sure it is based on everything else he said.

Another thing about CD's is that you can't touch them until the length of the CD is up, and I don't believe you can add money to them. You might want to keep this in mind if you were going to use your investments as a source of emergency money. Bonds im not as well versed in.

Everybody out there really should be looking into investments as early as possible so that they don't end up a broke ass senior citizen 50 years down the road. Even if you can only afford to put a little away each month you will end up doing yourself a lot of good in the long run.
 
May 19, 2005
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do people that put down lets say 1200-4800 a year on a long term investment funds,do they have another portfolio were they are more active with stocks,like on a more personal level?making your own decisions?lets say you put away 200-500 a month for your longterm investment,do people also add like another 200-500 a month for another type of investment?or if you had a chance at all that cash jus dump it all in that one big long term investment.Iv been checking out gettin into stocks online,seein as there seems to be alot of educated and informative sites.but as much as i like doin things on my own,i keep thinking that i should try to get a broker up in the mix,even minimaly.jus someone that knows more then me,but then the downfall would be giving him my paper.I guess my big question is figuring out a sick portfolio,iv read a bunch on stocks bonds funds ,but nothing on diversifying a portfolio.like with my young age i can take way bigger risks.so i guess id jus like to see some sample portfolios.should i do more research?or have a no holds bars meeting with a broker to get all my q's answered.
thanks again to all that have contributed to this thread
now lets make some PAPER
 
Apr 25, 2002
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if your company has a matching program for a 401k do that. Make sure you look and see if they have a variance (they contibute based on how long you work there 25% first eyar, 50% second, etc etc). Mine does straight up 100% match up to 5% of my income. So i've got my contribution set for 5%.

If you don't get matching and/or don't plan on staying at your job for long enough for the variance to kick up to 100% then you should look into a Roth IRA.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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http://www.dodgeandcox.com/funds/international/

My parents and I just invested in this one over the holidays. You have to put in a $2500 minimum on it so they were nice enough to let me put $150 down on it and they have the rest. It averages a 14% return. It's pretty much a mutual fund that only uses companies that aren't located in the US. This is something that I think those of you who are looking to put large amounts away might want to look into. This is one of the funds that my dad's financial planning firm recommends to their clients.
 
May 19, 2005
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is it worth it to diversify mutual funds.like if you can come up with 200-400 a month to throw down.would it be wiser to split it up into 2 different high end yield funds.or just dump all of it in one fund
 
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I had to up this shit. WD dropped some knowledge.

I got some questions for you, are index funds diversified mutual funds? How do you or where do you go to invest in index funds? (website e-business? etc.)

I know there's risk, out of the 50K in your portfolio, how much was invested and earned? How much is at now? ;) How much did you lose and was it significant? Would you say YOUR index funds are risky?

I want to start investing now, I got about 3k to invest, initially I was thinking about going to capital one's high yield money market account and earn 5% a year. Inflation now is at 3-4%, and your post has changed my mind about that. Index funds earning 10% on average for 80 years is ridiculous.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Bonds and CDs are for grandmas. A 4% return will not even grow your money sometimes, as inflation can be up to 4 or 5 percent yearly. The only people whom I would recommend a high allocation of bonds and CDs to would be people who need to avoid any and all possible risk, or people who are going to need their money soon.

What you want is a no-load, passively managed index fund. Index funds return 10% yearly on average since 1926. All 'index' funds do is track the S&P 500, Wilshire 5000, DJIA, or some other market index and purchase stocks in an equal 'weight' to the index they are tracking. These are the hands down best way to invest in mutual funds since they are not actively managed (cutting down on fees), they don't buy and sell often (cutting down on taxes), and they don't flip out and lose their mind when the market crashes (allowing you to buy cheap at the bottom). Passively managed funds are managed often by a computer, sometimes by one man with a checklist and program that does the buying and selling with one click every day.

The proportion of stocks and bonds you want is based on your age and risk tolerance. Since you are young, you want to weigh heavily (80-90%) in stocks, since thats where the money is made. The reason people move out of stocks when they get older is that stocks also fluctuate, and they dont want to withdraw their money at a time when their overall portfolio is down 30%.

To give you an overall picture of what you could make, it all depends on the dollar amount you invest. If you want to invest for 20 years, (best way to go) and start with 500 dollars investing 500 dollars a year, (and increase annual amount with inlfation - important) you will have invested 18gs total and you will come out with 60,000 in the end.

The more you invest, obviously, the more money you will make. If you could afford to put away 400 dollars a month, (5 gs a year), at the end of 20 years you will have made 326,000 dollars, and invested about 120k. It doesn't sound like much, especially considering you invested 120 thousand dollars, but if your annual expenses are 50k a year, 320,000 means you won't have to work for 6 years, and thats if you stop working. If you keep your money in and continue to let it reinvest, the benefits can be substantial. That same 5k a year over 30 years instead of 20 will make you 900,000 dollars, almost a million, off a 200k investment.

Now, of course, this sounds like a lot of fuckin money to everyone here (400 a month...), but it's actually not hard to shave off.

I dont:
1. Eat out at restaurants or fast food places.
2. Go to the movies
3. Spend extra money on shit I don't need (clothes, dumb shit like rims, jewelry, etc.)

Right now I make 15 dollars an hour, and after inve4sting for 4 years I have a portfolio worth of about 50k. Even if I completely stopped investing now, I would still have 250k in 20 years. It's all about sacrifices now to get what you want, and finding cost-effective ways of entertaining yourself.

I'm all about reading, free or low cost arts and music exhibitions, and what I call "urban BMX", smashin through the city on a one speed at like 20 mph - probly dangerous, but still fun as fuck.

The most important thing you can do, money-wise, is learn to live below your means. It's all about shavin that 5 dollars here and that 10 dollars there. I was making 9 dollars an hour and still putting away 250 a month. Now I'm definitely not financially independent at 15...lmao...but I have a better paying job lined up and I already have way more than I should in my portfolio.

Gettin rich is not complex or impossible, and it has nothing to do with the amount of crack or records you sell...
Damn dog, you must listen to dave ramsey? thats good knowladge right there!
 
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DeceptaKhan said:
is it worth it to diversify mutual funds.like if you can come up with 200-400 a month to throw down.would it be wiser to split it up into 2 different high end yield funds.or just dump all of it in one fund
depends on what you mean by diversification. is having all your money in US stocks diversified? is having money in international stocks more diversified? is having all you money in larger companies diversified? ultimately its a gamble and you gotta figure out where you want your money at and whether its a good risk to take. as long as youre young, take risk.