Life is but a dream..thoughts from the first scientist,Aristotle

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This is some writings in which I found upon my journey reasearching de ja vu. I am going to read it a couple more times. Later I will pull quotes and open discussion.

Does anyone wish to add to their thoughts about the reading?




http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/dreams.html

(384-322 BC)_Greek philosopher and scientist.

Son of the court physician to Alexander the Great's grandfather, he became a student of Plato in Athens and taught at Plato's Academy for 20 years. He went back to Macedonia c. 342 to tutor the young Alexander, then returned to Athens in 335 to found his own school, the Lyceum. Aristotle distinguished his philosophy from Plato's by declaring that the assumption of the existence of a separate realm of transcendent Ideas (see form) is unnecessary and that the world of perceived things is the real world. He wrote prolifically; his major surviving works include the Organon, De Anima, Physics, Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics, Eudemian Ethics, Magna Moralia, Politics, Rhetoric, and Poetics, as well as other works on natural history and science (most were first edited and published in the 1stcentury BC). Aristotle divides philosophical topics into ethics, physics, and logic. To him, logic was required for the study of every other topic. He distinguished four kinds of cause-material, formal, efficient, and final-and postulated an unmoved mover (God) as a necessary element of physics. In ethics, he argued that "good" for human beings (or anything else) lies in fulfilling their purpose or function, a view that came to be known as teleology. With Plato, Aristotle is considered a founder of Western philosophy, and his influence on later Western science and philosophy has been vast.
From Britannica Concise.
 
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well....
Thats a lot of stuff to take in. I think I got the basic point but I had to re-read paragraphs to try to fully understand them. I think what was being said was that dreams are "after-effects" of our "waking" sense perception. Thus, he gives the example of how you may stare at a color for a while and then see that color when you look away. In some, more long term degree we see, in mind, these "waking perception's" after effects as we sleep due to certain functions in the body that "stir" up our sense organs. Of course, he takes into account the factor of how human emotion plays in the part of how we perceive the things we do. Dreams are effects of the objective world we see added with our emotional attributes we give to them. That is most definitely why a dream is usually an emotional experience. We, if we remember our dreams after awaking, can tell you whether we were "happy", "scared" or otherwise. That seems to be the first thing that is noticable. Once we awake we have the emotional feeling of the dream. And, in most cases we have more difficulty describing the objectivity of the dreams content.
In conclusion, a dream is a "reality" based on a more elaborate manifestation of our emotions and how they (our emotions) form our opinions of an objective reality. But, to go a little bit further, who is to say what "objective reality" really is? This is another philosophical point which I would make the approach regarding the relativity of each of our perceptions no matter how "objective" we attempt to perceive reality. We only see relative to our own minds, but in order to be free from half-truths we must master our emotions. It is at this level, when our emotions obtain mastery over us, we become biased to reality. We see only that which we WANT to see. We become intoxicated by our "emotional liquor".
 
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The last time I checked there was a guy name Aritosthenes(sp?) who came before Aristotle. The guy was the first to prove the earth was round and not flat. Born about a thousand years or more before Aristotle. I don't see why Aristotle is considered the first scientist/father of science. I guess it's because he had more impact.
 
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thats a good question. I am not sure why he is consdered the first scientist. I just grabed that information from another website. Dang to many questions at once.
 
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i think sometimes that life is only a dream, cuz i have dreams sometimes where im in different places like my soul jumped out and left my body. i see different ppl and it feels so real. i wake up sometimes and wonder if it was a dream or a memory. its so weird, cuz my moms gets the same kind of dreams.