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The argument about the "liberal media" is something like saying the problem with Al-Qaeda is they use too much spice in their curry. That is not the problem; the problem is they want to kill us.

The real media biases inherent are get it fast, get it first, and get it cheap. A study of media by the Pew institute found that journalists describe themselves as more liberal on social issues. The same study, however, concluded that journalists tend to be much more conservative on economic issues, just as important as political ones.

The survey found that while journalists consider themselves slightly to the left in social issues, almost twice as many say they're to the right on economic issues. And when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, and free trade, the media shows that journalists are significantly to the right of the general public.

56% believe in privatizing social security, compared to 36% of americans.

Only 39% believe protecting Soc. Sec. is a top priority, compared to 59% of Americans.

Of the statement : "Too much power is in the hands of corporations," 43% strongly disagree, 32% somewhat agree, and 24% strongly agree, compared to the general public, of which 18% strongly disagree, 15% somewhat agree, and 62% strongly agree.

On whether Government should guarantee converage for those without health insurance, 43% of journalists disagree, while 64% of the public agree.

Of Nafta being positive or negative, 65% of journalists saw it as positive, 8% negative, and 27% dont know or saw no impact, whereas 32% of america saw it as positive, 42% negative, and 26% werent't sure or saw no impact.

Another unexplored and unmentioned fact is that several more editors and publishers, who affect what goes out in the news, are conservative. In the 2000 election, for example, according to Editor and Publisher Magazine, 56% of newspapers in a nationwide study endorsed bush, 26% endorsed Gore, while the rest had no opinion.

Obviously, if the media was liberal, they would run stories that help liberal candidates and hurt conservative ones. However, the 2000 election showed this was not so;
  1. Positive stories for Gore were 13% of coverage, while positive Bush stories accounted for 24%, nearly double.
  2. Neutral stories of Gore were 31%, compared to 27% for Bush, and
  3. Negative stories for Gore totaled 56% to Bush's 49.
Obviously, the liberal media failed us in the 2000 elections. I was expecting to turn on some left-wing libby-lib coverage and find some real right-wing attacks. Instead, I saw Gore portrayed in a negative light twice as much as Bush.

Kinda funny since Bush
  1. Skirted securities law by selling Harken Energy stocks while sitting on audit committee, a month before they tanked.
  2. lied about having supported a Patients Bill of Rights in TX (He actually vetoed it)
Whereas Gore
  1. Supposedly claimed to have discovered a canal
  2. Was quoted by the Republicans as "inventing the internet", when in fact he "took a major initiative in creating what we now know as the internet" through Arpanet funding
Gore made this mis-statement: "All I know is that's what he told reporters in Tennessee" about a fictional book with characters based on him and his wife. (It turns out a character was only based on him, not on him and his wife).

Bush made this flagrant lie, in addition to the Texas Bill of Rights falsehood: "The vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom end of the spectrum"

Al Gore: Funded the internet, which changed history forever.
Bush: Drove into a hedge, got arrested for drunk driving. Dodged the draft, snorted cocaine.

Now, if the media was "liberal", wouldn't the Bush stories be so many more, and so much worse? Wouldn't Bush's major faults be on record and known by most people? In fact they aren't. Refer to statistics above showing double the positive Bush stories, and 7% more negative Gore stories. The liberal media was asleep at the wheel. Thank you, liberal media!
 

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not to mention all the conservative news programming (all of fox news for that matter). where is the liberal pov in that? all talk shows are for the most part conservative, and believe it or not, there are a lot of dumbasses who think that the opinions expressed in said shows are facts, hence dumbass conservatives who think a certain way, but don't know why.
 
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^^ You are one pathetic, groupie son of a bitch. You are boring as fuck, and all you do is regurgitate what has already been said, and add your own little "Fuck Fox News" comment like you are actually contributing anything.

@W.D.
Links?

There is obviously some shit you are leaving out...as usual.
 
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...Yes, I admit! I am the great omitter.

Sources: Republican bias in Editor/Publisher groups: Editor and Publisher Magazine, November 2, 2002.

Survey of 2000 campaign coverage stats: Pew Charitable Trusts Project for Excellence in Journalism. (probably the most respected nonpartisan media research organization.)

http://www.journalism.org/resources/reports/campaign2000/lastlap/default.asp

Conservative journalist statistics:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/031004Arvey/031004arvey.html
"MAYBE THE PUBLIC HAS A LEFTIST BIAS"
http://www.fair.org/articles/liberal-media.html
"mediaLiberal"
http://www.geocities.com/alt_politics/Medialiberal.html
 

shep

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tadou said:
^^ You are one pathetic, groupie son of a bitch. You are boring as fuck, and all you do is regurgitate what has already been said, and add your own little "Fuck Fox News" comment like you are actually contributing anything.

@W.D.
Links?

There is obviously some shit you are leaving out...as usual.

groupie son of a bitch? LOL... you're one to talk mr. president of the GW fan club. i like how you get so pissed off at everything i post, even if i'm not talking to you, it's quite humorous.
 
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^^ Yes, you infuriate me. I am barely able to hold it all in while maintaining an apathetic look on my face.

@W.D

Regardless, you are reaching WAAAY back into 1999 and 2000 for your SUPPORT that the Media is "Liberal", but (presumably) using figures from a 2004 study as your EVIDENCE. It doesn't add up.

Why not talk about the absurd amount of front page stories about Abu Ghrayb? What about the rediculous amount of coverage that the Liberal Radio Network is getting (despite dismal ratings), and the lack of coverage that Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al get?
 
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"Howard Stern has recently been censured by his employer Clear Channel for his anti-Bush stance and he believes he will be fired soon. On the other hand, pro-Bush Rush Limbaugh retains his Clear Channel radio show" -- http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/031004Arvey/031004arvey.html

That spin alone is about enough to discredit the man's whole article.

"FOR his anti-Bush stance"? How about, for the fact that he talks about dildos and anal sex at 8 in the morning, when children might be listening?
 
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**shakes his head**

"The recent survey asked them a simple question: Do "a few large companies" have "too much power"? Washington journalists were somewhat divided on the issue, with 57 percent answering yes and 43 percent saying no."

WASHINGTON Journalists, which you translated into and applied to ALL journalists, without even so much as a footnote? That is no good W.D...that is no good.


"When Croteau posed this question to journalists, they were somewhat evenly split: 43 percent pro, 35 percent con. By contrast, the public supported federally guaranteed medical care for the uninsured by a 2-to-1 majority (64-29 percent) in a 1996 New York Times/CBS poll. "

Comparing a 2004 poll to a 1996 poll? Come the fuck on. This ass goblin can send out 444 letters to Washington journalists, but can't take the time to interview 500 or so citizens?
 
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So tadou, since 1996, the public's ideas have HUGELY changed on these issues? Riiight. I seriously doubt it. Because the poll was in 1996, it is completely invalid right? You want to talk about old studies?

You know the book Bias by Bernie Goldberg? The launching-point and bible for many liberal media claims? It based its "journalists are liberal" finding on a 15 year old poll, if you want to talk about dated figures.

And 1999 and 2000 are WAAAAY back? That sounds about right. So we had a conservative media in 1999 and 2000 right, and it has only become liberal post-2000? Weren't Rush, Hannity, Ann, and friends griping about the liberal media since the early 1990s? Every major conservative pundit must have been wrong, since the liberal media started after the WAAAYYY back years of 1999 and 2000.

So let me get this straight, even though the "liberal media" claim has been made since the early 90s, it was apprently wrong until POST-2000, when the liberal media "Sprung out of hiding"?
 
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DaytonFamily said:
Ugh I would hate to be a Gore country, FNC would be banned from the airs and we would barely be getting around to attacking afghan

We wouldn't have to because 9-11 wouldnt have happened if Gore was president.
 
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tadou said:
"FOR his anti-Bush stance"? How about, for the fact that he talks about dildos and anal sex at 8 in the morning, when children might be listening?
Well, how long has he been on the air and hes never been in this much hot water until he said had some negative comments for Bush. Also, all this was started by a caller saying the N word and a few other racial comments which Howard had no control over.
 
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tadou [b said:
Washington[/b] journalists were somewhat divided on the issue, with 57 percent answering yes and 43 percent saying no."

WASHINGTON Journalists, which you translated into and applied to ALL journalists, without even so much as a footnote? That is no good W.D...that is no good.
I'm not sure if you understand how political reporting works tadou. The most influential, and largest political reporting organizations are based in Washington, DC.

When people make the claim of a "liberal media", they are largely attacking not opinion columns or pundits, but major, mainstream news sources such as ABC, CBS, CNN, Newspapers, etc.

Those papers do not receive their news third-hand, or though distant AP sources. Most major media outfits have Washington correspondents who they use for clarification, inside stories, footage, interviews, etc. of politicians. Thus, surveying "washington journalists" is about the most relevant single gauge of political reporting.

We aren't talking about stories about Cows, UFOs, or how to bake Sea Salmon. When the "liberal media" claim is made, the relevant area is politics, and this is where Washington journalism comes into play.

Also, the survey was sent out to people representing the largest major media outlets in Washington. They, and they alone, determine the what, how, and where of political news that ends up in major sources and conglomerates.
 
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More fun facts:

daily newspaper endorsements for presidential candidates offer one index that conveys a bias. From 1940-1996 the endorsements have been predominantly Republican: 1940, Wilkie (R) won 60 percent of newspaper endorsements, Roosevelt (D) 25 percent; 1944, Dewey (R) 60 percent, Roosevelt (D) 22 percent; 1948, Dewey (R) 65 percent, Truman (D) 15 percent; 1952, Eisenhower (R) 67 percent, Stevenson (D) 15 percent; 1956, Eisenhower (R) 62 percent, Stevenson (D) 15 percent; 1960, Nixon (R) 58 percent, Kennedy (D) 16 percent; 1964, Johnson (D) 42 percent, Goldwater (R) 35 percent; 1968, Nixon 61 percent, Humphrey (D) 14 percent; 1972, Nixon (R) 71 percent, McGovern (D) 5 percent; 1976, Ford (R) 62 percent, Carter (D) 12 percent; 1980, Reagan (R) 42 percent, Carter (D) 17 percent; 1984, Reagan (R) 58 percent, Mondale (D) 9 percent; 1988, Bush (R) 29 percent, Dukakis (D) 8 percent; 1992, Clinton (D) 18 percent, Bush (R) 15 percent; 1996, Clinton (D) 4 percent, Dole (R) 27 percent. If there's a bias in these newspaper endorsements, clearly it's conservative.

Rowse further cites a predominance of conservative bias among the estimated clients of political columnists across the country as of 1999. Out of the top 19 columnists with 100 newspaper clients or more, only three could be described as liberal: William Raspberry, Molly Ivins and Mary McGrory (Arianna Huffington now, too). The rest were either moderate or conservative: Thomas, Will, Goodman, Charon, Broder, Buckley, Kondrake, Wattenburg, Kilpatrick, Snow, Novak, Leo, Krauthhammer, Coulter, Wills, Cohen, Williams, Kissinger, Press, Jacobson and Miller. If there's a bias in newspaper op-eds, clearly it's conservative.

And talk radio? Clearly conservative. According to Rowse and the Talk Radio Research Project, 1999, talk radio by far and away is weighted in favor of conservative viewpoints (and in some cases, pure inflammatory rant): "Of the 14 most popular hosts who comment politically, all but two, Howard Stern and Tom Stephen, were conservatives of varying degrees."

According to Rowse, even William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, acknowledges the myth of a liberal bias: "'I admit it, the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." And Pat Buchanan confessed, "'The truth is I've gotten fairer, more comprehensive coverage than I ever imagined I would receive.'"

"Ten multinational corporations own virtually all broadcast, Internet, or print media in this country—General Electric, Viacom, AOL/Time Warner, Disney, AT&T, News Corp, Liberty, Sony, Bertelsmann, and Vivendi. Who really thinks Jack Welch or Rupert Murdoch is going to appoint radical left-wingers to run their businesses? These companies depend on other big corporations for their advertising revenue—big corporations who don't want news that equates to bad PR. They also have huge vested interests in parts of the conservative agenda, such as deregulation, that will further increase their already vast influence and profits.

In a May/June 1998 article from Extra!, "What's in a Label? Right-wing think tanks are often quoted, rarely labeled," Michael Dolny points out that "for the third year in a row, conservative or right-leaning think tanks in 1997 provided more than half of major media's think tank citations, according to FAIR's third annual survey of major newspaper and broadcast media citations in the Nexis computer database. Think tanks of the right provided 53 percent of citations, while progressive or left-leaning think tanks received just 16 percent of total citations.
 
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^^^ Already saw it...very lame. Its not America's fault that Democrats/Liberals are EXTREMLY boring and only run their mouth off about the same things time and again.

jay deuce said:
Well, how long has he been on the air and hes never been in this much hot water until he said had some negative comments for Bush. Also, all this was started by a caller saying the N word and a few other racial comments which Howard had no control over.
Its called a delay, friend, and many radio and TV stations use them, ESPECIALLY during call-in segments. And If you've never called into a show, i assure you, my friend called into one right in front of me, and there was a good 3 second or so delay.

Stern has cost ClearChannel hundreds of thousands in the past, and refused to do anything about his show. What other radio talk show host do you know that has been charged that much money in fines? That whole "not my fault" thing is a joke.
 
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J-Funk said:
White Devil vs. tadou: round 52
DING DING DING ROUND 243

WD THROWS A HARD LEFT!
IT CRUSHES TADOU IN THE JAW BUT HE COUNTERS WITH HIS PATENTED RIGHT!
WD THROWS ANOTHER HARD LEFT!
IT HITS TADOU SQUARE IN THE BANKS OF HIS CHEEK!
TADOU SLUMPS A SOLID RIGHT BUT HIS WING WAS LEFT OPEN IN THE ATTACK AND WD COUNTERS LIBERALLY!!!

STAY TUNED FOR THE WINNER!!!
 
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tadou said:
Its called a delay, friend, and many radio and TV stations use them, ESPECIALLY during call-in segments. And If you've never called into a show, i assure you, my friend called into one right in front of me, and there was a good 3 second or so delay.
There is a delay and the guy was even sensored. I was listening to the show when it happened, he was interviewing Rick Solomon from the Paris Hilton tape. They bleeped out the words but of course you could still tell what the dude was saying.

Stern has cost ClearChannel hundreds of thousands in the past, and refused to do anything about his show. What other radio talk show host do you know that has been charged that much money in fines? That whole "not my fault" thing is a joke.
What about the hundreds of Stern clones across the country? They do the same things as Stern and get nowhere near the attention he does. Oprah discusses some of the same topics and gets no fines.
 
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^^ Stern has tried since day one to set himself apart. How would you dare compare him to others, only now, for the protection of his faulty behavior? The man has been on thin ice for some time now, getting numerous fines amounting to hundreds of thousands, and his allowing of obscenities only pushed him over the edge. That is his own fault, and you cannot tell me he could not have cut this man off after he said one obscenity and apologized to the audience. Instead, he chooses to keep these things going.

It would be like a model wearing body paint on some kind of TV show, and the cameraman time and again keeps zooming in on her exposed nipples, and putting a wobbly, faulty mosaic over it--GO TO COMMERCIAL OR USE A BIGGER MOSAIC. What is so difficult to understand about this?

When you're interviewing porn stars and the like, discussing anal sex and dildos and butt plugs, you have to expect a certain element of people to listen, and that is just what Stern has. ClearChannel is its own company, and you can either respect that, or not respect that. But Complaints + FCC Fines + No discernable format change to combat the complaints and fines = I would take him off the air as well.