Letters From the Troops

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Letters From the Troops
Michael Moore, AlterNet
December 22, 2003
Viewed on December 29, 2003
http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=17446

As we approach the holidays, I've been thinking a lot about our kids who are in the armed forces serving in Iraq. I've received hundreds of letters from our troops in Iraq -- and they are telling me something very different from what we are seeing on the evening news.


What they are saying, often eloquently and in heart-wrenching words, is that they were lied to -- and this war has nothing to do with the security of the United States of America.


I've written back and spoken on the phone to many of them and I've asked a few of them if it would be OK if I publicized their letters and they've said yes. They do so at great personal risk (as they may face disciplinary measures for exercising their right to free speech). I thank them for their bravery.


Lance Corporal George Batton of the United States Marine Corps, who returned from Iraq in September (after serving in MP company Alpha), writes the following:


"You'd be surprised at how many of the guys I talked to in my company and others believed that the president's scare about Saddam's WMD was a bunch of bullshit and that the real motivation for this war was only about money. There was also a lot of crap that many companies, not just marine companies, had to go through with not getting enough equipment to fulfill their missions when they crossed the border. It was a miracle that our company did what it did the two months it was staying in Iraq during the war.... We were promised to go home on June 8th, and found out that it was a lie and we got stuck doing missions for an extra three months. Even some of the most radical conservatives in our company including our company gunnery sergeant got a real bad taste in their mouth about the Marine corps, and maybe even president Bush."


Here's what Specialist Mike Prysner of the U.S. Army wrote:


"Dear Mike: I'm writing from the trenches of a war, not knowing why I'm here or when I'm leaving. I've toppled statues and vandalized portraits, while wearing an American flag on my sleeve, and struggling to learn how to understand... I joined the army as soon as I was eligible -- turned down a writing scholarship to a state university, eager to serve my country, ready to die for the ideals I fell in love with. Two years later I found myself moments away from a landing onto a pitch black airstrip, ready to charge into a country I didn't believe I belonged in. My time in Iraq has always involved finding things to convince myself that I can be proud of my actions; that I was a part of something just. But no matter what pro-war argument I came up with, I pictured my smirking commander-in-chief, thinking he was fooling a nation..."


An Army private, still in Iraq and wishing to remain anonymous, writes:

"I would like to tell you how difficult it is to serve under a man who was never elected. Because he is the president and my boss, I have to be very careful as to who and what i say about him. This also concerns me a great deal... to limit the military's voice is to limit exactly what America stands for... and the greater percentage of us feel completely underpowered. He continually sets my friends, my family, and several others in a kind of danger that frightens me beyond belief. I know several other soldiers who feel the same way and discuss the situation with me on a regular basis."


Jerry Oliver of the U.S. Army, who has just returned from Baghdad, writes:


"I have just returned home from "Operation Iraqi Freedom." I spent 5 months in Baghdad, and a total of 3 years in the U.S. Army. I was recently discharged with Honorable valor and returned to the States only to be horrified by what I've seen my country turn into. I'm now 22 years old and have discovered America is such a complicated place to live, and moreover, Americans are almost oblivious to what's been happening to their country. America has become "1984." Homeland security is teaching us to spy on one another and forcing us to become anti-social. Americans are willingly sacrificing our freedoms in the name of security, the same Freedoms I was willing to put my life on the line for. The constitution is in jeopardy. As Gen. Tommy Franks said, (broken down of course) One more terrorist attack and the constitution will hold no meaning."


And a Specialist in the U.S. Army wrote about the capture of Saddam Hussein:


"Wow, 130,000 troops on the ground, nearly 500 deaths and over a billion dollars a day, but they caught a guy living in a hole. Am I supposed to be dazzled?"


There are lots more of these, straight from the soldiers who have been on the front lines and have seen firsthand what this war is really about. I have also heard from their friends and relatives, and from other veterans. A mother writing on behalf of her son (whose name we have withheld) wrote:


"My son said that this is the worst it's been since the "end" of the war. He said the troops have been given new rules of engagement, and that they are to "take out" any persons who aggress on the Americans, even if it results in "collateral" damage. Unfortunately, he did have to kill someone in self-defense and was told by his commanding officer 'Good kill.'



"My son replied 'You just don't get it, do you?'


"Here we are...Vietnam all over again."


From a 56-year-old Navy veteran, relating a conversation he had with a young man who was leaving for Iraq the next morning:


"What disturbed me most was when I asked him what weapons he carried as a truck driver. He told me the new M-16, model blah blah blah, stuff never made sense to me even when I was in. I asked him what kind of side arm they gave him and his fellow drivers. He explained, "Sir, Reservists are not issued side arms or flack vests as there was not enough money to outfit all the Reservists, only Active Personnel." I was appalled to say the least."


From a 40-year-old veteran of the Marine Corps:



"Why is it that we are forever waving the flag of sovereignty, EXCEPT when it concerns our financial interests in other sovereign states? What gives us the right to tell anyone else how they should govern themselves, and live their lives? Why can't we just lead the world by example? I mean no wonder the world hates us, who do they get to see? Young assholes in uniforms with guns, and rich, old, white tourists! Christ, could we put up a worse first impression?"



Remember back in March, once the war had started, how risky it was to make any anti-war comments to people you knew at work or school or, um, at awards ceremonies? One thing was for sure; if you said anything against the war, you had better follow it up immediately with this line: "BUT I SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" Failing to do that meant that you were not only unpatriotic and un-American, your dissent meant that you were putting our kids in danger, that you might be the reason they lose their lives. Dissent was only marginally tolerated if you pledged your "support" for our soldiers.


Of course, you needed to do no such thing. Why? Because people like you have always supported "the troops." Who are these troops? Most of them are our poor, our working class. Most of them enlisted because it was about the only place to get a job or receive the guarantee of a college education. You, my good friends, have always, through your good works, your contributions, your activism, your votes, supported these very kids who come from the other side of the tracks. You never need to be defensive when it comes to your "support" for the "troops" -- you are the only ones who have always been there for them.


It is Mr. Bush and his filthy rich cronies -- whose sons and daughters will never see a day in a uniform -- who do not support our troops. Our soldiers joined the military and, in doing so, offered to give their lives for us if need be. What a tremendous gift that is -- to be willing to die so that you and I don't have to! To be willing to shed their blood so that we may be free. To serve in our place, so that we don't have to serve. What a tremendous act of selflessness and generosity! Here they are, these 18-, 19-, and 20-year-olds, most of whom have had to suffer under an unjust economic system that is set up not to benefit them -- these kids who have lived their first 18 years in the worst parts of town, going to the most miserable schools, living in danger and learning often to go without, watching their parents struggle to get by and then be humiliated by a system that is always looking to make life harder for them by cutting their benefits, their education, their libraries, their fire and police, their future.


And then, after this miserable treatment, these young men and women, instead of coming after us to demand a more just society, they go and join the army to defend us and our way of life! It boggles the mind, doesn't it? They not only deserve our thanks, they deserve a big piece of the pie that we dine on, those of us who never have to worry about taking a bullet while we fret over which Palm Pilot to buy the nephew for Christmas.


In fact, all that these kids in the army ask for in return from us is our promise that we never send them into harm's way unless it is for the defense of our nation, to protect us from being killed by "the enemy."
 
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That promise has been broken. It has been broken in the worst way imaginable. We have sent them into war not to defend us, not to protect us, not to spare the slaughter of innocents or allies. We have sent them to war so Bush and Company can control the second largest supply of oil in the world. We have sent them into war so that the Vice President's company can bilk the government for billions of dollars. We have sent them into war based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction and the lie that Saddam helped plan 9/11 with Osama bin Laden.


By doing all of this, Mr. Bush has proven that it is he who does not support our troops. It is he who has put their lives in danger, and it is he who is responsible for the nearly 500 American kids who have now died for no honest, decent reason whatsoever.


The letters from the friends and relatives of our kids over there make it clear that they are sick of this war and they are scared to death that they may never see their loved ones again. It breaks my heart to read these letters. I wish there was something I could do. I wish there was something we all could do.


Maybe there is. I would like to suggest a few things each of us could do to make the holidays a bit brighter -- if not safer -- for our troops and their families back home.


1. Many families of soldiers are hurting financially, especially those families of reservists and National Guard who are gone from the full-time jobs ("just one weekend a month and we'll pay for your college education!"). You can help them by contacting the Armed Forces Emergency Relief Funds at http://www.afrtrust.org/ (ignore the rah-rah military stuff and remember that this is money that will help out these families who are living in near-poverty). Each branch has their own relief fund, and the money goes to help the soldiers and families with paying for food and rent, medical and dental expenses, personal needs when pay is delayed, and funeral expenses. You can find more ways to support the troops, from buying groceries for their families to donating your airline miles so they can get home for a visit, by going here.


2. Thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed by our bombs and indiscriminate shooting. We must help protect them and their survivors. You can do so by supporting the Quakers' drive to provide infant care kits to Iraqi hospitals -- find out more here: http://www.afsc.org/iraq/relief/default.shtm. You can also help the people of Iraq by supporting the Iraqi Red Crescent Society -- here's how to contact them: http://www.ifrc.org/address/iq.asp, or you can make an online donation through the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies by going here: http://www.ifrc.org/HELPNOW/donate/donate_iraq.asp.


3. With 130,000 American men and women currently in Iraq, every community in this country has either sent someone to fight in this war or is home to family members of someone fighting in this war. Organize care packages through your local community groups, activist groups, and churches and send them to these young men and women. The military no longer accepts packages addressed to "Any Soldier," so you'll have to get their names first. Figure out who you can help from your area, and send them books, CDs, games, footballs, gloves, blankets -- anything that may make their extended (and extended and extended...) stay in Iraq a little brighter and more comfortable. You can also sponsor care packages to American troops through the USO: http://www.usocares.org/.


4. Finally, we all have to redouble our efforts to end this war and bring the troops home. That's the best gift we could give them; get them out of harm's way ASAP and insist that the U.S. go back to the UN and have them take over the rebuilding of Iraq (with the US and Britain funding it, because, well, we have to pay for our mess). Get involved with your local peace group -- you can find one near where you live by visiting United for Peace, at: http://www.unitedforpeace.org and the Vietnam Veterans Against War: http://www.vvaw.org/contact/. A large demonstration is being planned for March 20, check here for more details: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2136. To get a "Bring Them Home Now" bumper sticker or a poster for your yard, go here: http://bringthemhomenow.org/yellowribbon_graphics/index.html. Also, back only anti-war candidates for Congress and President (Kucinich, Dean, Clark, Sharpton).


I know it feels hopeless. That's how they want us to feel. Don't give up. We owe it to these kids, the troops we support, to get them the hell outta there and back home so they can help organize the drive to remove the war profiteers from office next November.


To all who serve in our armed forces, to their parents and spouses and loved ones, we offer to you the regrets of millions and the promise that we will right this wrong and do whatever we can to thank you for offering to risk your lives for us. That your life was put at risk for Bush's greed is a disgrace and a travesty, the likes of which I have not seen in my lifetime.


Be safe, come home soon, and know that our thoughts and prayers are with you during this season when many of us celebrate the birth of the prince of "peace."
 
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They do so at great personal risk (as they may face disciplinary measures for exercising their right to free speech).

The military is perhaps not the best career choice for someone bent on the vigorous exercise of civil liberties.
For the most part....
the military is here to defend democracy--not to practice it.
YOU ARE TOLD AND TRAIN THAT ON DAY ONE....!!!

For obvious reasons, self-sacrifice, discipline, order and obedience to authority tend to be emphasized in the military.

Without respect for the chain of command, a military organization would simply disintegrate in the heat of battle.
So it is not surprising that the free speech rights do have a limit while serving in the armed forces.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY!


"Dear Mike: I'm writing from the trenches of a war,
TRENCHES....LOL.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE MILITARY FOLKS ARE HOUSED IN AC TENTS AND BULIDINGS.
THIS AIN'T WW1.


"My son said that this is the worst it's been since the "end" of the war. He said the troops have been given new rules of engagement, and that they are to "take out" any persons who aggress on the Americans, even if it results in "collateral" damage. Unfortunately, he did have to kill someone in self-defense and was told by his commanding officer 'Good kill.'
YEAAAAAA......SUREEEEEEEEEEEE
I BELIEVE THAT.



I CAN guarantee YOU THAT THOSE LETTERS ARE BULLSHIT!
SOME PISSED OFF DUDE WROTE THAT SHIT AND FRONTING AND PLAYIN YALL.

99% OF ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS WOULD NOT BROADCAST THEIR NAME AND RANK ON LETTERS ALONG THESE LINES.



DON'T GET ME WRONG, SOME POINTS IN THESE LETTERS ARE RIGHT, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE MIXED IN WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S PISSED OFF PASSIONS.



I LOVE TO SEE COMMON FOLKS DISCUSS THE MILITARY...
ITS COMEDY TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK THEY MAY KNOW...
 
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D-Locc60 said:
The military is perhaps not the best career choice for someone bent on the vigorous exercise of civil liberties.
For the most part....
the military is here to defend democracy--not to practice it.
YOU ARE TOLD AND TRAIN THAT ON DAY ONE....!!!

For obvious reasons, self-sacrifice, discipline, order and obedience to authority tend to be emphasized in the military.

Without respect for the chain of command, a military organization would simply disintegrate in the heat of battle.
So it is not surprising that the free speech rights do have a limit while serving in the armed forces.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY!



TRENCHES....LOL.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE MILITARY FOLKS ARE HOUSED IN AC TENTS AND BULIDINGS.
THIS AIN'T WW1.




YEAAAAAA......SUREEEEEEEEEEEE
I BELIEVE THAT.



I CAN guarantee YOU THAT THOSE LETTERS ARE BULLSHIT!
SOME PISSED OFF DUDE WROTE THAT SHIT AND FRONTING AND PLAYIN YALL.

99% OF ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS WOULD NOT BROADCAST THEIR NAME AND RANK ON LETTERS ALONG THESE LINES.



DON'T GET ME WRONG, SOME POINTS IN THESE LETTERS ARE RIGHT, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE MIXED IN WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S PISSED OFF PASSIONS.



I LOVE TO SEE COMMON FOLKS DISCUSS THE MILITARY...
ITS COMEDY TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK THEY MAY KNOW...
VERY GOOD POINTS...THOSE LETTERS ARE NOT REAL JUST FOR THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRAINED TO SIMPLY SAY "THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF (PRESIDENT) IS DOING WHAT HE HAS TO DO". IF THEYRE COMPANIES FOUND OUT WHAT KINDA SHIT THEY BEEN TALKIN...THEYD GET FUCKED...DONT GET ME WRONG, SOME OF THE LETTER SHIT TYPED ARE TRUE...AS FOR ME...IM SHIPPIN OFF ON JAN 5TH OF 04 AND THEYRE TALKIN BOUT AIR CONDITIONED TENTS FOR BOUT 3 MONTHS AND EVEN INFANTRY ARE LIVIN IN ABANDONED PALACES, BARRACKS, IM GOIN TO A ABANDONED IRAQUI AIRFORCE BASE (TULALI AFB) AND THEYRE TELLIN ME...BARRACKS IN MARCH. THEY GOT STORES OUT THERE...GYMS...MOVIE THEATRES WHERE MOVIES HIT IRAQ BEFORE THEY HIT THE STATES...AND ABOVE ALL...WERE GITTIN TAX FREE PAY WITH HAZARD DUTY...LIFE IN IRAQ FOR THE MOST PART AINT THAT BAD...RESERVES ALSO GET ALL THE GEAR...THE ARMY AINT A CORPORATION...ITS BUILT BY NUMEROUS COMPANIES WHICH MAKE THEYRE OWN MONEY...IF THEY CANT AFFORD GEAR OR NUNNA THAT SHIT...THEY SHUT DOWN OR MOVE TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT POST...THE ARMY AINT GONNA SAY "HEY WE GOT NO MONEY (THEY GOT FUCKIN MONEY) BUT SEND TROOPS ANYWAY..."...BULLSHIT. I JUST LOVE WHEN A CIVILLIAN TRIES TO EXPLAIN THE WAY WE FEEL...YOULL NEVER KNOW HOW HARD WE WORK OR WHAT WE GO THROUGH...DONT TRY TO UNDERSTAND SUMTHIN THAT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO PARTICIPATE IN...LIKE D-LOCC SAYS...MILITARY AINT FOR EVERYBODY...IF IT AINT FOR YOU...JUST KEEP IT LIKE THAT...DONT ACT LIKE YOUR "UP TO DATE" ON WHATS GOIN ON IN MY PROFFESION...YOU AINT GOT THE MIND STATE TO EVEN MAKE IT A DAY IN MY ARMY...HMMM...

P.S. EY HERESY THANKS FOR PAYIN YOUR TAXES...:classic:
 
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D-Locc60 said:
The military is perhaps not the best career choice for someone bent on the vigorous exercise of civil liberties.
For the most part....
the military is here to defend democracy--not to practice it.
YOU ARE TOLD AND TRAIN THAT ON DAY ONE....!!!

For obvious reasons, self-sacrifice, discipline, order and obedience to authority tend to be emphasized in the military.

Without respect for the chain of command, a military organization would simply disintegrate in the heat of battle.
So it is not surprising that the free speech rights do have a limit while serving in the armed forces.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY!
ok, lets look at the other extreme, when someone from the military says or writes something positives about the war, its automaticaly seen without debate or criticism. but when someone that doesn't agree with the war, shit, we get all kinds of responces. I agree with you, some of those letters make sense. But the point is that different types of Ideas and thoughts about the war are rarely mentioned in mainstream press.

the qoute you responded too, replies to comments like the one you stated above. "They do so at great personal risk."




D-Locc60 said:
TRENCHES....LOL.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE MILITARY FOLKS ARE HOUSED IN AC TENTS AND BULIDINGS.
THIS AIN'T WW1.




YEAAAAAA......SUREEEEEEEEEEEE
I BELIEVE THAT.

dang, dont take it literally...lol


D-Locc60 said:

I CAN guarantee YOU THAT THOSE LETTERS ARE BULLSHIT!
SOME PISSED OFF DUDE WROTE THAT SHIT AND FRONTING AND PLAYIN YALL.

99% OF ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS WOULD NOT BROADCAST THEIR NAME AND RANK ON LETTERS ALONG THESE LINES.



DON'T GET ME WRONG, SOME POINTS IN THESE LETTERS ARE RIGHT, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE MIXED IN WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S PISSED OFF PASSIONS.



I LOVE TO SEE COMMON FOLKS DISCUSS THE MILITARY...
ITS COMEDY TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK THEY MAY KNOW...

now lets go watch the jessica lynch story
 
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if you dont belive in it dont be there.

if you wanna go smash on some dirty ass bitches thats just wasting the air that we breath, then join and go kill um all.
 
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@TYPCEE-

I'm feelin you all the way cuzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!



ok, lets look at the other extreme, when someone from the military says or writes something positives about the war, its automaticaly seen without debate or criticism. but when someone that doesn't agree with the war, shit, we get all kinds of responces.
I disagree....
mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...
the military is just like any other profession....(in terms of this discussion)
IT HAS PROS AND CONS.

folks that are in the military criticize and complain about what goes on just like any other person that works and lives in this world....
the thing that makes military folks different, is the way they go about criticizing and complaining.


THE PROBLEM TODAY WITH TEENS AND YOUNG ADULTS AND I SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON THE SICCNESS...
IS THE MAJORITY, DO NOT HAVE ANY FACTS ABOUT THE MILITARY OR LIFESTYLE.

THEY LIVE OFF RUMORS AND MOVIES THAT PUT FALSE SHIT IN THEIR BRAIN....THEN HAVE THE NERVE TO SPIT IT OUT LIKE ITS FACTS.
comedy!


I WAS TAUGHT AS A YOUNGSTA...
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, SHUT THE HELL UP.


POINT BLANK
(general statement)
 
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i agree with most of what D-Locc60 and Typcee said.

but another thing i wanted to know was, is this Michael Moore guy just another writer from a left wing magazine (AlterNet) or is he "the lunitic" Michael Moore from the Bowling for Columbine "domumentary"

nefar559 said:
Letters From the Troops
Michael Moore, AlterNet
December 22, 2003
 

HERESY

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I FEEL WHOEVER WROTE THE LETTERS ARE FAGGOTS. WHY NOT TAKE UP ARMS AND REVOLT? ROLL A COUPLE OF GRENADES INTO A COMPOUND AND BUST AT THE SGT.

@TYPCEE MAY YOU DIE DEFENDING MY FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES. BTW I HAVEN'T PAYED TAXES IN OVER 5 YEARS AND I DON'T INTEND TO. YOU HAVE LOOP HOLES AND WAYS YOU CAN GET OUT OF PAYING TAXES *IF* YOU HAVE *READ* AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. MY STUDIO HAS BEEN AN LLC FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW (I'VE EARNED A LOT OF PROFIT) AND I MUST SAY PAYING TAXES IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YEAH I HAVE TO FILL OUT FORMS AND DO WHATEVER WHEN APRIL COMES AROUND BUT THE AMERCIAN FLIES DONT SEE A DIME FROM ME. EVEN WHEN I WORKED A 9-5 I DIDN'T PAY TAXES. LOL@PIMPING THE SYSTEM ***LEGALLY***.

YOU AREN'T LIVING OFF MY EXPENSE PAL :)


I GET THE MAJORITY OF MILLITARY INSIGHT FROM MY DAD (WHO SERVED IN THE ARMY FOR 4 AND PARTICIPATED IN A WAR), 2ND OLDEST BROTHER (20+ YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE BUT GOT OUT JUST BEFORE THE GULF WAR) 3RD OLDEST BROTHER (4 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE) 5TH OLDEST BROTHER (8 YEARS IN THE NAVY STATIONED ON THE KITTYHAWK) AND 7TH OLDEST (SERVED IN THE ARMY DURING GULF WAR AND WAS STATIONED IN GERMANY. HE MADE CERTAIN COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS SUPERIORS SO THEY TOOK HIS RIFLE AND HE WAS REMOVED. THEY COULDNT HAVE A PERSON WITH HIGH MARKSMENSHIP SAYING THE SHIT HE SAID)



I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO MY NIECE (SHE PLANS ON BECOMING A SGT), BROTHER IN LAW #1 (AIR FORCE FOR 10) OR BROTHER IN LAW #2 (A RETIRED SGT). THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SPEAK GOOD SHIT ABOUT THE MILLITARY ARE MY 3RD OLDEST BROTHER, (WHO HAPPENS TO BE A BRAINWASHED 501C3 CHRISTIAN) AND MY #2 BROTHER IN LAW (BRAINWASHED IDIOT WHO LETS MY SISTER PUNK HIM OUT ALL THE TIME)



YOU ALL SHOULD HEAR MY DADS STORIES...I DONT SAY "ILL" SHIT JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT. IS IT RIGHT TO SPEAK ON IT KNOWING I HAVENT BEEN IN THE MILLITARY? HELL YEAH!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN FAG RECRUITERS CAME KNOCKIN ON MY MOMMAS DOOR TRYING TO GET ME TO JOIN (WHEN I WAS 19) BY SHOWING ME PICTURES OF GUNS AND SHIT. I TOLD THE FAG "NIGGA I SEE THOSE TYPES OF GUNS DAILY. FUCK YOU MAN YOU NEED TO SHAKE THE SPOT."



OFFICER JACKSON WAS HIS NAME. MAY HE REST IN PISS.



GOD BLESS THE COUNTRY OF IRAQ.



MAY GOD DAMN AMERICA THE GREAT SATAN. RULER OF OUR AGE AND ENFORCER OF THE REVIVED HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.




:HGK:



PS FUCK THE MILLITARY. THEY ARENT FIGHTING FOR MY FREEDOMS. THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE GLOBAL ELITE AND INTERNATIONAL BANKERS. FOOLS ACTING LIKE THEY ARE FLINT AND DUKE...FUCKIN FORCES OF FREEDOM, FIGHTING SOME TERRORIST DESTRO, BIN LADEN OR COBRA FUCKIN COMMANDER AND SHIT. LOOKIN FOR NIGGAS IN CAVES WHEN THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE FOOL IS AT. BITCH GET REAL...
 
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PS FUCK THE MILLITARY. THEY ARENT FIGHTING FOR MY FREEDOMS.
SOOOO...
IF THE MILITARY WAS FIGHTING FOR YOUR FREEDOMS, WOULD THEY STILL GET A FUCK YOU?

THERE ARE 300 MILLION OTHER AMERICANS TO FIGHT FOR....
THE WORLD DOES'NT REVOLVE AROUND HERESY.


NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE USA OR WORLD...
YOU STILL WILL BE HERESY AND STILL HAVE YOUR VIEWS.
And I'm not here to change your view, you are who you are, you already have your mind set in your ways.


IF EVERYONE HAD PEACE, JOY AND MONEY, SOMEONE STILL WILL HAVE SOMETHING to BITCH ABOUT.
THATS LIFE, THATS THE WORLD WE LIVE IN...its not perfect and never will be.
GRAB YOUR MANHOOD AND LIVE ON.


common folks can speak about the military until they turn blue in the face.....but without wearing a uniform, their words carry NO WEIGHT!

HOW CAN "JOE BOB" TEACH ME TO FLY AN AIRCRAFT, IF HE HIMSELF DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FLY?

its not happening.
 

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"SOOOO...
IF THE MILITARY WAS FIGHTING FOR YOUR FREEDOMS, WOULD THEY STILL GET A FUCK YOU?"
NOPE. HOWEVER THE AMERICAN MILLITARY IS NOT FIGHTING FOR MY FREEDOMS. IF THEY WERE THEY WOULD BE FIGHTING THEMSELVES.

"THERE ARE 300 MILLION OTHER AMERICANS TO FIGHT FOR....
THE WORLD DOES'NT REVOLVE AROUND HERESY."

*MY* WORLD REVOLVES AROUND ME. THERE ARE 300 MILLION AMERICANS TO FIGHT FOR? HOW ARE THEIR FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES IN JEOPARDY FROM COUNTRIES THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY? THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS NOT FIGHTING FOR THE 300 MILLION AMERICANS. THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE GLOBAL ELITE.

I DONT SEE ANYONE BITCHING ABOUT ANYTHING. I'M DOING WHAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. SAY WHAT THE HELL I WANNA SAY, WHEN I WANNA SAY IT AND HOW I WANNA SAY IT. YES IN A PERFECT WORLD EVERYONE WOULD BUBBLE AND POP BUT THIS ISN'T A PERFECT WORLD. THIS IS A WORLD RAN BY THE GLOBAL ELITE AND INTERNATIONAL BANKERS. ITS A FACT. MANHOOD IS NOT IN QUESTION. DO YOU SEE ME SHRINKING INTO A HOLE AND AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE? HELL NAW. I *CONTINUE* TO DO WHAT I DO, BRING IN $$$$$$$$ (LEGALLY I MIGHT ADD) AND WAIT FOR THE *REAL* WAR TO POP OFF. I'VE ALREADY SAID FUCK YOU (AMERICA) I DONT NEED YOUR HELP I RIDE WITH *MY* TEAM. IF I FACE CONSEQUENCES FOR WORDS AND ACTIONS SO BE IT. JAIL TIME? BREAK OUT OF JAIL.

****FOOLS**** (I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH) WHO ENDORSE A COUNTRY BASED ON GREED CAN TALK ABOUT THE WORLD UNTIL THEY TURN BLUE IN THE FACE. AT THE ***END*** OF THE DAY THEY HAD THEIR LIVES ENDAGERED (IF THEY SERVED IN THE MILLITARY) BECAUSE OF LIES AND GREED. THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS SOME OF THE FOOLS ACTUALLY *BELIEVE* THE BULLSHIT THEY SAY.



HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA FIGHT A FOREIGN WAR AND FIGHT FOR FOREIGN POLICY WHEN YOU DONT KNOW ONE MEMBER ON THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS?

:HGK:

PS IM GLAD A NON STUDIO OWNER WAS ABLE TO SHOW ME HOW TO SET UP MY BUSINESS, RUN MY STUDIO AND GENERATE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EACH MONTH. TAX FREE. NOOOOOOOOOOOO DOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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OH GOSH...NOW I CANT RE ENLIST CUS HERESY DOESNT LIKE MILITARY...HATE TO SAY IT BRO...BUT YOUR JUST ONE SMALL ASS FLEA ONA BIG ASS DOG...THIS COUNTRY WORKS WITH OR WITHOUT YOU...YOUR OPINION DOESNT CHANGE SHIT IN THIS WORLD...MAYBE IN THE "HERESY WORLD"...BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW...THATS ONLY INVOLVING YOU...HEY BUDDY...YOUR RIGHT...IM NOT FIGHTING FOR YOUR FREEDOM...LIKE I SAID FLEA...YOU AINT EVEN MAKIN THE DOG ITCH...YOU AINT NO BALLER...YOU AINT SOME BEYOND-THE-GOVERNMENT INDIVIDUAL...YOUR SOME SMALL ASS, IGNORANT, OH AND BLIND MOTHER FUCKER THAT SWEARS IF YOU KEEP POSTIN ENOUGH BULLSHIT IN THE SICCNESS THAT YOUR GONNA CAUSE A REVOLT AGAINST WHAT THIS NATIONS DOING...GROW UP OR JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH...I GIVE THIS BASTARD BOUT 5 MINUTES GIVE OR TAKE TO REPLY A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT AND BREAK MY WHOLE PARAGRAPH DOWN INTO QUOTES...GROW UP...SHUT UP...GIT A LIFE...CIRCULATE PLEASE...IM SURE IM NOT THE ONLY ONE GETTIN TIRED OF THIS "IM HERESY, THE GREAT REVOLUTIONIST" BULLSHIT POSTS...SAD MOTHER FUCKER...
 
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Thanks for protecting us Typcee.:rolleyes:

I lost all respect for people in the Military. I have learned that most of these people are the one's who blindly believe in god (without knowing why they believe), have "Bomb Iraq" bumper stickers on their trucks and are so drunken with patriotism it's pathetic.

I'm not impressed with men who can follow orders without questioning the reasons. They are just sheep in this world who cannot think for themselves.

Especially after watching video's like this.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Didn't we already cover this Shitbrick? Fuck the I R S
as you guys can see i didnt say that you couldnt get away without paying taxes through loopholes. check out my quote again since you OBVIOUSLY don't pay much attention. the only thing that i stated was that Heresy was wrong in that it was unconstititional

HERESY said:
AND I MUST SAY PAYING TAXES IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Mcleanhatch said:
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

Article XVI.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.