Lessons We Can Learn From The Fall Of The Hyphy Movement

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Good read....

From Davy D

People are abuzz about the recent article that appeared in the SF Weekly that focused on the The Demise of Hyphy. For those who don't know Hyphy is the homegrown Hip Hop inspired music form that was well on its way to taking the country by storm. Artists like E-40, Too Short, Keak Da Sneak, Dem Hood Starz and Mistah Fab were leading the pack and well on their way to bringing that crucial national spotlight back on Bay Area talent.

The excitement surrounding the hyphy movement lead to outlets like; BET, MTV, The NY Times, Newsweek, Vibe Magazine and numerous other music publications touching down here in the Bay Area to cover the scene. Sadly as quick as Hyphy was brought to public attention quickly it went.

Several months ago former Mercury music writer Marian Liu documented Hyphy's fall from the national stage with an article title 'What Happened to Hyphy'? Here Lui interviewed many of the aforementioned artists along with key industry insiders who pointed to bad business dealings, inflated egos and unrealistic contract demands as primary reasons. You can peep out that article and also peep out podcasts containing indepth interviews from some of the key people interviewed about the fall of hyphy including; Mistah FAB, Sean Kennedy, Davey D, Adisa Banjoko, DJ Krystal of KZSU, Balance, The Az and Will Bronson of SMC records to name a few) What Happened to Hyphy'

While Liu's article brought home many sobering points the SF Weekly article took on the proverbial big white elephant in the living room which was the role good and bad played by the region's powerhouse radio station KMEL. The overriding sense was that KMEL used the hyphy movement for ratings and to buffer itself from criticism likely to arise when the station renewed its FCC license. Localism was a key buzzword at the time, and commercial stations from coast to coast were under fire for ignoring or squashing thriving local music scenes. Many believe KMEL went out of its way to squash the hyphy movement.

One of the more heartfelt responses to the SF Weekly article came from hip-hop pioneer Too Short, considered one of the godfathers of West Coast rap. He comes from a time when hip-hop wasn't even on the radio, and over the years he has seen how the music and culture have evolved.

Short was also witness to just how powerfully the streets can dictate change - how an inflammatory song coupled with a huge loyal fan base can turn things around.

Short was banned from KMEL after an incident between him and Luniz backstage at the 1995 Summer Jam. Because he wasn't invited back to the concert the next year, he received the blame for the altercation. Short issued a press release explaining his side of the story and questioning KMEL's decision-making, then later recorded a song initially released on a mix tape with J-Dub, formerly known as Kool Rock Jay. That song, "That's Why," took KMEL to task and got the streets riled up over the banning of their hometown hero.

Public pressure eventually led to Short's ban being lifted. Too Short feels this connection to the streets and the larger community is what a lot of the younger rap artists in the Bay have bypassed. In response to the SF Weekly article, Too Short sent out an e-mail expressing his profound disappointment with how things had turned out. He also acknowledged that rap's elders need to do more mentoring and fence-mending (he's already working with youth in East Oakland's Youth Uprising).

Here's an excerpt of Too Short's e-mail. While not dismissing commercial radio's responsibility to the community, he clearly recognizes that artists need to take some crucial steps to have a firm foundation. Radio should not be the be-all and end-all of their careers, or an artists' movement:

"I ain't going to war with KMEL. I just wanna inspire the local artists & fans to be realistic & keep hip-hop in our area alive without help from the radio stations. The 1st step is to inform the people who might be concerned. That includes folks who just wanna hear some good gossip & especially friends & family members of artists who think their brother, nephew, cousin or homie could be doing it big on a national level if they had a fair chance.

"I believe in street-level movements creating the atmosphere for national movements & radio is only one outlet to create those movements. If U know that's not an option then U won't waste time, energy or money trying to please radio & in my opinion, the fans will love U more if U have popular street songs verses popular radio songs in the early stages of your career. Bay artists have to connect with the streets more than ever now." - Todd/Shortdog
 
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BackSide likens working at KMEL to working at a restaurant: "On the outside, it was great," she recalls. "You go into the back and it's a whole different story. Behind closed doors, was a lot of stuff going on."
"It was a new regime. Things change," Cunningham says when asked about the incident. But Herrera says other local promoters favored by Johnson were allowed access.
Stacy Cunnigham needs to be reminded what a Regime is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime)...and how THE PEOPLE can get together and have the current regime changed.

If this was chess....(from the Program Director down)Stacy cunnigham would be king....and big von would be the queen peice...sana j would be a knight..and a list of other notable dj's and interns and radio staff would fill up the other pieces....Rick lee and chuey gomez ROOKS they stay solid and fly str8...

KMEL program director Stacy Cunningham confirms there was an "unofficial" ban on F.A.B., but says the station stopped playing his music not out of spite, but because he was "our competition in the ratings." She claims to have "nothing but love" for F.A.B., but advises, "Don't play the 'Cry me a river' card."

Cunningham says the station never received a copy of F.A.B.'s latest album, Da Baydestrian, adding that even after Yellow Bus Radio went off the air, "there was no real follow-up by the artist."
Its fcked up how they did dj backside....

KMEL responded to Power 92 with what Davey D characterizes as a "corporate thuggin' mentality." He says labels, artists, and advertisers were allegedly told in no uncertain terms not to do business with Power 92. The new station's street teams were harassed by what the East Bay Express called "Clear Channel shock troops," who piled out of KMEL- and WYLD-branded vans and slapped bumper stickers advertising their stations on Power's vehicles.

DJ BackSide had been a Power 92 street team member for just a week when she was offered a slot on KMEL. In July 2004, she started hosting The Hot Spot, a late-Friday, early-Saturday show. It quickly found an audience among hyphyites eager to keep their buzz going as they headed home after a night of clubbing.

BackSide soon found herself an outsider among KMEL's predominantly male DJ roster. She says she experienced some resentment because she was new and because she had come over from Power 92 (which has since changed owners and become LGBT-friendly dance station Energy 92). Cunningham says she respected BackSide's hustle, but adds, "She was young. She didn't know how to handle situations."
Its like KMEL played this strategically...first grabbin djbackside away from power 92...givin her a on air time slot..and when power92 was no longer a player yanking her from the air waves and replacing her with vons interns...

BackSide alleges that certain individuals at the station did everything they could to get her fired or removed from the air, including accusing her of taking payola. On May 3, 2005, she remembers, she had just left the New York City offices of Bad Boy Records, where label owner P. Diddy thanked her personally for breaking one of his records on the air.

Not 20 minutes later, she says, she received an instant message from Scotty Fox, 3,000 miles away at KMEL. In a transcript of the conversation provided by BackSide, Fox takes an aggressive tone, accusing her of taking credit for breaking a record other KMEL DJs played on the air first. She denies it, but Fox berates her repeatedly. "U stay in your lane," he warns.

Several times, Fox invokes the name of the station's music director. "This is from Von," he says at one point. After some more back-and-forth, he curtly states, "There's nothing to talk about."

A month and a half later, BackSide was told of a letter sent to the editor of RPM (an industry trade publication) accusing her of taking payola and requesting that she not attend the Mixshow Power Summit, a high-profile conference of the nation's best radio mixers.

At first glance, the letter (which SF Weekly has reviewed, along with other documents supplied by BackSide) looks like an official document on letterhead from Clear Channel's corporate HQ in San Antonio. It claims that the DJ was under internal investigation for accepting plane flights and other forms of payola from Universal and Bad Boy.

Curiously, though, the letter is unsigned, and has no return address. Furthermore, it seems odd that an internal investigation into illegal payola by a KMEL DJ would have originated not at the station, but at its parent company's corporate offices.

After receiving a copy of the letter from RPM, BackSide says she met with Cunningham and Johnson. When asked who could have written it, BackSide gave a copy of her IM communications with Fox to Cunningham. She was then told she was suspended pending an investigation.

After consulting a lawyer, BackSide returned to the station the next day and handed a letter to the HR director detailing the conversation among her, Cunningham, and Johnson. A half-hour later, she says, Clear Channel honcho Michael Martin personally informed her that her show was reinstated, effective immediately.
That seems like something BIG VON would do....

However, more than one local artist has found out the hard way that Johnson holds grudges for perceived slights — sometimes for years.

Frank Herrera, an independent promoter for several local labels, says that Johnson has done some positive things for the Bay Area, but "always seemed like he was unhappy with music." Herrera claims Johnson has "played God" with artists' careers and says he often ignored the advice of DJs who advocated for local records they felt were deserving — most notably in the case of the late Mac Dre, often considered hyphy's founding father. After Herrera brought Dre's now-classic "Thizzle Dance" to the station in 2003, "his DJs had to tell him it was a requested song. Von was holding out on the record."
keypoints...
According to Cunningham, localism isn't good for commercial radio's image: "You can be a local artist and play up to where you're from, but if every song is about where you're from, there's a problem."
They believe its support of local music at that time was a way to defuse activist efforts to challenge the station's FCC license (which is renewed every eight years) during the public comment period that ended in November 2005.
Its not really about 106kmel Not playing bay area rap/hip hop.But more or less How Certain indivudals are manipulating the station Just to Hold their position as long as possible thru back room dirty politics.
why?

ILL TRENDZ interview of Stacy Cunnigham..
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Radio is very overrated....People have got to look back to the days when artist would sell large numbers of albums and not have any presence on T.V or radio a-la "Wu-Tang Clan"....It's not that difficult...
 

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they need to get some of that early 90's independent hustle on,these niggas need be out there touring and collabing with out of town folk,like mess is doing,I can see that nigga blowing up this year,cuz he's out there being proactive about his situation and isnt afraid to throw his own money behind his projects,Keak and others need to take notes and step they shit up.But Big Von is a hater,he's the type of person that makes me hate radio,nigga got say over what songs get play and he thinks hes god,its why i stick to mixtapes and comps.
 
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i guess it should be like

if you wanna jump on the wagon, dont bite the whole style

change it a little to your own style

thats why the hyphy died so fast, shit played out wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaay to quick

everybody sounded exactly the same
(^^^imo)

but ima keep it real with this..


for the love of humanity,

dont recycle songs and make a new album out of them, that shit simply doesnt work

if fuckin pisses people off

and dont have a hot ass album, then have JT put out your old shit weak shit and call it

"westcoast resurrection" or some other title claimin its the hottest shit in your career

also, if you are gonna exploit Mac Dre's death, please at least release decent music

buying an album that claims Mac dre presented , then realizing its wack trash, pisses you off too,

there's probably 3 hot artists out in the bay(with exposure),

and 1000's of others trying to make a quick buck, burning the artists image and buzz

*Drinks some Hunnid Racks
 

El D

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Ain't nothing to be learned from the hyphy movement. that shit was gay as fuck to start with and it was gay as fuck to end with.

They need to learn from the early 90's Mobb movement.
all you lame ass starter jackets wearing fags kill me with that shit...
 
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what we can learn from the ungraceful fall of hyphy is 1. don't start your "youth or brandnew movement" with a 40+ year old vet that the country has been hearing about since the 90's. 2. Don't make your marquee artist a bunch of publicly abusive pill poppers and coke snorting business nightmares. 3. Market your music to ladies as well as men. 4. Build around talent, not fads. 5. Do not depend on radio. I watched respectable Bay artist turn to pure idiotic fools just to try and get some of the hyphy attention... Now as they TRY to switch back they sound and look like fake ass morons. This should be a lesson learned... so 10 years from now when we get another chance we won't do this shit again.
 

MALKI

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the fans will love U more if U have popular street songs verses popular radio songs in the early stages of your career. Bay artists have to connect with the streets more than ever now." - Todd/Shortdog

real fuckin talk get the streets listening. the radio will follow
 

jr916

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cali needs to get back to that old mobb shit im talkin c-bo messy and RIP coughnut that hyphy shit is for teenagers
 
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Personally i dont even listen to the radio anymore, it's either cd's or my Ipod...For the most part IMO Radio = Garbage.
 
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You motherfuckers kill me.

Stay in your lane and do you. If you are fresh the attention will come. 1 fan at a time. The movement is not over for us. but over for most. Become an individual become famous with your talent not the attention from a movement. We did it with out the attention of some movement. We were some of the people that got the attention out here. It was alot of weak ass buisness men and rappers that could not shine on there own so they held on to a movement name. Unless you take steps we can not MOVE notice that is the first part of the word movement.

G.Archer

I am not worried about the current state of BAY AREA music. We will be allright