Leftist takes office in Ecuador

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Leftist takes office in Ecuador
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2662009.stm


Ecuador has inaugurated a former coup-leader, Lucio Gutierrez, as its new president.
He is the latest leader to come to power in Latin America espousing a populist political agenda, and was joined at the ceremony by veteran left-wing leaders such as Cuba's Fidel Castro, Brazil's Lula and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.

The 45-year-old retired army colonel won the state's presidential election in November on pledges to fight corruption and poverty.

Correspondents predict that he will have a short-lived political honeymoon in office given his lack of experience in government in oil-rich but poverty-stricken Ecuador.

Thousands of police and troops guarded Congress in the capital, Quito, as the inauguration took place.

Guests also included Washington's special envoy for Western hemisphere initiatives, Otto Reich - a veteran anti-communist.

The new president was expected to hold talks after the swearing-in ceremony with the other Latin American leaders present - including the presidents of Colombia, Chile, Peru and Bolivia - with the focus on Venezuela's political and economic crisis.

'Change ahead'

Speaking to the press before his inauguration, Mr Gutierrez described himself as a "product of the people's unsatisfied aspirations".

"People want change. They said: 'Enough of the same old leaders'," he told El Comercio newspaper.

In a speech to parliament, he promised "ethical values, moral values... and social justice".

Before last year's election, he rose to fame for leading a successful coup to topple then-President Jamil Mahuad in 2000 with the backing of the country's Indians.

Colonel Gutierrez had led the revolt in protest at a severe economic crisis and a freeze on bank withdrawals.

The new president has promised investors to pay the national debt and seek an International Monetary Fund loan, but he will have difficulty persuading his leftist supporters to adopt market reforms.

"He seems to have good ideas," said one Quito resident, Segundo Suasnavas. "That is, if they let him govern."
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
why is it that liberals are always calling these guys "leftists" when what they really are is COMMUNISTS

Why is it that people like you are always callin people like nefar559 and 2-0-Sixx liberals when what they really are is STRUCTURALISTS
 
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ROFL, I love it how they use "communist" as a defamitory term...

OH NO COMMUNISTS!!!!

Being a communist is nothing to be ashamed of, so there is no sense in covering it up, If I was a communist I would come out and say it. I might have some socialistic views on certain issues, but In no way do I want total governmental control of our economy...
 
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Snubnoze said:
ROFL, I love it how they use "communist" as a defamitory term...

OH NO COMMUNISTS!!!!

Being a communist is nothing to be ashamed of, so there is no sense in covering it up, If I was a communist I would come out and say it. I might have some socialistic views on certain issues, but In no way do I want total governmental control of our economy...

bwahaha you go move to china and tell me how much fun it is

alot of you guys crack me up, i bet not one of you ever lived in a communist or im sorry a socialist country or even visited one.
 
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camoflauge said:
bwahaha you go move to china and tell me how much fun it is
China isn't communist or socialist, but i'll agree it's probably not much fun for the general person, but the US isn't much fun for the general person either.


camoflauge said:
alot of you guys crack me up, i bet not one of you ever lived in a communist or im sorry a socialist country or even visited one.
I have.
 
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camoflauge said:
communism= the supression of a thinking mind
communism = A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.


camoflauge said:



bwahaha you go move to china and tell me how much fun it is

alot of you guys crack me up, i bet not one of you ever lived in a communist or im sorry a socialist country or even visited one.
go do u homework, come back and speak on the subject....the
people you laugh at, are the one who know more on the subject.
 
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me do my homework? lol my father was thrown in jail , one uncle was executed by the kgb , another sent to siberia so dont tell me i dont know what im talking about chump


wow thats a great definition, the common advantage of all memebers? you mean the offical party members right? here i will tell you since you probably have never experienced what it feels like to live in a communist country, the government takes waht land they want from you and give it to the party leaders and spies, you have to wait an hour in line to get a kilo of meat which is to last you a week no matter the size of your family, you are forbidden to change or attempt to move up economically, talking against the government gets you locked up or sent to siberia, schools are controlled by government and therefore only communist propoganda is taught to enforce their political agenda and children are given candy in exchange for telling the party what their parents really think of the government so they can figure out who is a threat to the government and have them punished


i could go on, but most of you have no idea and probably think this is some cool rebelious fashion that you embrace
 
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camoflauge said:
i could go on, but most of you have no idea and probably think this is some cool rebelious fashion that you embrace
That's true of alot of people.




But you should also know that the system of the USSR was Stalinism.

When a Marxist uses the term Stalinism it has a specific meaning. It refers to the theory and practice of the national-opportunist bureaucracy that emerged in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and usurped political power from the workers and peasants who carried out the 1917 October Revolution. In the final analysis, this bureaucracy—which played a counterrevolutionary role internationally—reflected the pressure of world imperialism on the isolated and economically deprived workers’ state. Its strangling of the fledgling Soviet democracy expressed a degeneration whose culmination was the dismantling of the historic conquests of the October Revolution and the restoration of capitalism.

And Stalinism is a differnt thing all together than what communism is supposed to be. And no matter how much the party said they had achieved communism, real people that understand the concept of communism and what needs to be acomplished for it to exist know that they never saw communism.