Leaders 'don't understand markets'

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I did some research on this guy.

And he talks about the same shit i do.

Leaders 'don't understand markets'
By DAVID MARK | 10/21/08 5:04 AM EDT


While running for the Republican presidential nomination, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas frequently sounded the alarm regarding the nation’s fiscal health. Years ahead of the current economic crisis, Paul was questioning the nation’s debt level, now an acutely pressing issue amid all the recent stock market volatility.

With the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve rapidly moving toward more government intervention in the marketplace while trying to stabilize the nation’s banks and shore up its financial institutions, Paul has argued for a hands-off approach. He opposed both versions of the financial rescue plan that came before the House — the first one, which was rejected, and the second, which was passed and signed into law.

Politico’s David Mark interviewed the 10-term congressman, who has still not endorsed Republican John McCain for president. Here are some excerpts.

Q: With the stock market still in flux and the risk of massive financial failures growing, what’s the worst-case economic scenario you envision over the next couple of years?

A: The worst part could be that this would linger for a decade or more. In fact, a very serious recession or depression is on schedule. You cannot avoid it. Eventually it has to come, but it doesn’t have to end badly. We could take our lumps, save money, pay our bills, restore liberty, and in a year we could have the most booming economy ever. But it would take a complete change in attitude.

If we continue to believe it’s freedom, capitalism and private markets that are the problems, we’re in for very bad times.

And it’s going to be used to further undermine our individual freedoms. We’re already seeing the nationalization of many industries. We’re going to all be a lot less free. I worry more about the loss of liberty and the socializing of our country.

Q: How will the current financial crisis affect everyday Americans?

A: We’re going to see inflation on a large scale. Inflation comes from increasing the money supply like we’ve been doing. The money supply is still going up, and the purchasing power of the dollar is not going up. The individual consumer isn’t saying, “Prices are going down, and I now have more money in my pocketbook.”

Q: Did leaders, both in Congress and former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, encourage excessive lending and borrowing by lowering financial standards for obtaining mortgages many people couldn’t afford?

A: Greenspan, presidents of both parties and members of Congress bear some of the blame. He was there pumping money like crazy when it wasn’t backed by anything. The ideology has been around a long time, and he was responsible for pushing it along. This contradicted his basic free-market beliefs. He himself has warned about stealing value. But he still orchestrated this effort. He became chairman in 1987, and we saw the stock market crash almost immediately. He was steering the economy through money policy during that time. But the system’s been around a long time, and he was working within the system.

I date the current bubble to 1971, when Bretton Woods ended. [Bretton Woods refers to the post-World War II system that allowed governments to sell their gold to the U.S. Treasury at $35 an ounce.] This credit crunch should be seen as a system built on a flawed monetary theory. You can’t sit there and create new money to everything that’s offered. If that’s the case, we’d all be rich.

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Feb 8, 2006
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I do like how Ron Paul talks down on Bernanke and the Federal Reserve



saying i don't think you have the authority to do what your doing.
 

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gas went from $5 to $2.99

~k.
It will rebound eventually

Right now it's a race between shrinking demand and shrinking supplies.

Once the elastic portion of the demand is reduced, what is left is a very inelastic demand and shrinking supplies (supplies can only shrink from that point on) and then it will be very quickly back to 150, and then 200 and so on

The big problem right now is that people think the low prices will remain low forever (because nobody is willing to understand Peak Oil) and that whatever action might have been taken at $150, will not be taken at $75 and a economic meltdown...
 
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I do like how Ron Paul talks down on Bernanke and the Federal Reserve



saying i don't think you have the authority to do what your doing.
Ron Paul is hilarious

Yes, there is nothing in the Constitution about the Federal Reserve

Theres also nothing about the internet, or cell phones

I think we should get rid of the Federal Reserve, the internet, and cell phones

Edit: Bernanke has the worst job ever. He has to sit around and hear people who dont understand economics or the economy (like Ron Paul) rail against what they perceive are the problems with our economic system.
 
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Ron Paul is hilarious

Yes, there is nothing in the Constitution about the Federal Reserve

Theres also nothing about the internet, or cell phones

I think we should get rid of the Federal Reserve, the internet, and cell phones

Edit: Bernanke has the worst job ever. He has to sit around and hear people who dont understand economics or the economy (like Ron Paul) rail against what they perceive are the problems with our economic system.
What do you think caused this economic downturn?
 
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It will rebound eventually

Right now it's a race between shrinking demand and shrinking supplies.

Once the elastic portion of the demand is reduced, what is left is a very inelastic demand and shrinking supplies (supplies can only shrink from that point on) and then it will be very quickly back to 150, and then 200 and so on

The big problem right now is that people think the low prices will remain low forever (because nobody is willing to understand Peak Oil) and that whatever action might have been taken at $150, will not be taken at $75 and a economic meltdown...
oh i know it will rebound. however, i just wanted to point out that right now people are saying that because all they really care about is gas being cheap. they dont think about driving forces behind it.

It's Fall it'll be lower in Winter then Bam driving season
yup yup

~k.
 
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What do you think caused this economic downturn?
The overly lending-friendly environment post 9/11, the fragmentation and re-packaging of mortgages into complicated MBS's with derivative holdings, the opaque way in which hedge funds operate, and the lack of necessary capital reserves, especially for credit default swaps. The CDS market reached almost a 50 trillion dollar size, double the stock market and 5 times the mortgage market. They're another example of an almost completely unregulated investment vehicle gone awry.
 
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The overly lending-friendly environment post 9/11, the fragmentation and re-packaging of mortgages into complicated MBS's with derivative holdings, the opaque way in which hedge funds operate, and the lack of necessary capital reserves, especially for credit default swaps. The CDS market reached almost a 50 trillion dollar size, double the stock market and 5 times the mortgage market. They're another example of an almost completely unregulated investment vehicle gone awry.
And who gave all this credit to the banks?