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ThaG

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Yes, such an animal actually exists:ermm:

http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3873/

make sure to prepare $37.00 for a one-year subscription, apparently they think that open access journals are not prestigious enough for creationism:ermm:

you can still read some sample "articles" in pdf though

a small sample of what the actual content looks like:

It has been generally accepted that at about 1.5 Ga
[Giga annum = billion years ago] the oxygen content of
the air rose at least 15-fold. (Note that evolutionary/
uniformitarian ‘ages’ are only used here for argument’s
sake.)

^^^discuss
 

ThaG

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More fraud:

Several DNA Paradoxes

The total amount of DNA in the haploid genome is its
C-value. Intuitively we would expect that there should be
a relationship between the complexity of an organism and
the amount of its DNA. The failure to consistently correlate
the total amount of DNA in a genome with the genetic and
morphological complexity of the organism is called the
C-value paradox.57 This paradox manifests itself in three

ways.
(1) Many plant species have from two to ten times more
DNA per cell than the human cell. Among the
vertebrates with the greatest amount of DNA are the
amphibians. Salamander cells contain 10–100 times
more DNA than mammalian cells. It is hard to make
sense of the existence of such major redundancies in
organisms evolutionarily less complex than man.

(2) There is also considerable intragroup variation in DNA
content where morphology does not vary much. For
example, the broad bean contains about three to four
times as much DNA per cell as the kidney bean.
Variations of up to 100 times are found among insects
and among amphibians. In other words, cellular DNA
content does not correlate with phylogeny.

(3) Large stretches of DNA in the genome, say, of humans,
appear to have no demonstrable function. This will be
discussed later.
 
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ThaG I have learned so much from you it's not even funny. You should have been my biology teacher in high school, i didn't learn jack! I've learned more from you then my whole year with that teacher LMAO!
 

ThaG

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Look here:

INTRONS AND EXONS
Once the genes of unrelated cells were studied it
became clear that the molecular genetics of higher
organisms are different from those of bacteria. The
principles uncovered in prokaryotes cannot simply be
applied to eukaryotes. For one thing, the precursor RNA
found in the nucleus, called heterogeneous nuclear RNA
(hnRNA), was far greater in amount than the mRNA that
emerged from the nucleus into the cytoplasm. It was
discovered that the linear hnRNA molecule contained
excess RNA which was cut out, and the mRNA was then
constructed from splicing together the in-between pieces.
An editing process had taken place.58 The logical inference
from this finding was that the genomic DNA from which
the hnRNA was transcribed must be similarly constructed.
The notion of the co-linear relationship between a segment
of DNA and the protein for which it codes is not true, at
least for higher organisms.
The word ‘intron’ was used to describe such a noncoding
region of a structural gene. They separate the
‘exons’, which encode the amino acids of the protein.59
For instance, the human b-globin gene comprises, in linear
sequence, three exons separated by two introns within a
total length of 1,600 nucleotides. Introns are abundant in
higher eukaryotes, uncommon in lower eukaryotes, and
rare in prokaryotic structural genes. Variations in the length
of the genes are primarily determined by the lengths of
the introns. Since the discovery of introns/exons the
intricate processes of nuclear mRNA splicing have been
elegantly elucidated. Among these are the remarkable selfsplicing
introns60 and the equally revolutionary finding that
individual nucleotides can be inserted into RNA after
transcription altering them remarkably.61
The inevitable questions emerged. What role does
having genes in pieces serve? How have such interrupted
genes ‘evolved’ over time?
One hypothesis points out that exons usually encode
for a part of the protein that folds to form a domain. What
constitutes a domain has been a matter of controversy. By
dispersing individual exons of a protein among introns it
is reasoned that breaking DNA and rejoining and
recombining different exons is that much easier. This
process of shuffling exons/domains is presumed to have
created new proteins with multi-domain structures. This
is thought to be a more efficient way for a cell to create
proteins rather than through random DNA mutations. Here
is a means of duplicating, modifying, assembling and
reassembling units with modular functions into larger
structures. According to this hypothesis this is the reason
why introns have survived through time. Several queries
may be raised. First, exon shuffling as a device to speed
up evolution is logically tied up with a subsidiary
assumption that possessing similar domains qualifies
proteins for biochemical kinship, which is to say, these
proteins are alleged to bear the marks of descent from a
common ancestral protein.62 But the construction of
phylogenetic trees relies on unstable molecular clocks and
other genetic mechanisms largely unknown63 and, as
discussed below, should be approached with caution.
Biochemical kinship aside, would not domains
exercising similar function be structurally alike such as
we see between, say, the catalytic domains of the two serine
proteases chymotrypsin and tissue plasminogen activator?
Second, RNA splicing is an accurate and complex
procedure comparable in complexity to protein synthesis
and initiation of transcription. It is carried out by a 50S to
60S ribonucleoprotein made up of small nuclear
ribonucleoproteins (snRNPs) as well as other proteins. Just
as the ribosome is built up in the process of translation,
the spliceosome components assemble in an orderly
manner on the intron to be spliced before the initial
cleavage of the 5' splice site. The splicing must be carried
out precisely, joining the 5' end of the preceding exon to
the 3' end of that following. A frameshift of even one
nucleotide would change the resulting mRNA message.
The inescapable conclusion is that these interlocking
components must have ‘evolved’ together, as an imperfect
splicing mechanism is worse than none.
Third, were the original protein-coding units seamless,
that is, uninterrupted by introns? And were the introns
bits of ‘selfish DNA’ that later insinuated themselves into
the hosts’ structural genes? What purpose then the
subsequent evolution of a multi-step complicated splicing
machinery to remove the introns?64-69 Would not simply
eliminating the introns make better sense for selective
advantage?
Fourth, and most importantly, transport of mRNA from
the nucleus to the cytoplasm is coupled to splicing and
does not occur until all the splicing is complete. How
does the RNA enter the cytoplasm for translation during
the evolution of the splicing mechanism? This would have
disrupted protein synthesis and would be powerfully
selected against.70-72 Why is splicing in all its variants so
rampant today?
The problem would arise too were introns abundant in
cells without nuclear membranes — the prokaryotes.
Mattick wrote:
‘If introns were introduced into a procaryotic cell’s
genes, there would be no opportunity to remove them
before protein is made, and the result would be
“nonsense” non-functional proteins.’73
This is essentially correct because spliceosomes would be
needed for their removal, but again begs the question on
the viability of the transitional phases.
The relationships between exons and protein domains
remain to be worked out. Where introns came from and
how they were integrated into the genome is a mystery to
evolutionists.74
LMAO

There is a very good and supported by evidence explanation why introns exist and it comes from studies on self-splicing introns of which there are three classes with different catalytic mechanisms and class II appears to have evolved into the modern spliceosome. Moreover, class I introns ARE FOUND IN BACTERIA.

Anyway what probably happened is that introns evolved from transposons, a transposon which inserts randomly into its host genome will eventually disrupt an important gene and the host will die together with the transposon

Thus evolution of transposons was directed towards not disrupting the host's genes and one of the ways to achieve this is to splice the transposon from the mRNA - the gene will be disrupted but the protein will be perfectly normal. That's how introns evolved, probably more than once and certainly very very long ago, in the very dawn of evolution.

After that the story is clear splicing was selected for in evolution because of the possibility for exon shuffling, the decreased mutation pressure etc.

Now compare this to the quoted text and try to count how many lies were told and how many scientific truths were conveniently left out. All of what I said was known before 1996 when the creationist article was published...



Here is the problem - for the layperson all this complicated stuff about splicing, DNA, RNA, exons and introns is completely undecipherable and there is no way he can see and appreciate these subtle details - it will all be "science" for him because it is complicated and has fancy words....
 
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GTS said:
lol
Rap fans don't usually comprehend stuff about introns or care to.
It aint about that, its just when it comes to science, there are terms I have even seen in my life, so i have to go somewhere and learn...all the while trying to soak in the knowledge.

THe fuck is a intron?

Im in school right now taking a biology class, but we have only goten as far as DNA, and I am doing a paper on meiosis this week. Wich me luck.:confused:
 
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I Fucked Your Mom said:
It aint about that, its just when it comes to science, there are terms I have even seen in my life, so i have to go somewhere and learn...all the while trying to soak in the knowledge.

THe fuck is a intron?

Im in school right now taking a biology class, but we have only goten as far as DNA, and I am doing a paper on meiosis this week. Wich me luck.:confused:
yah good luck you'll really need that info down the road in life:confused:
 

ThaG

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An intron is a part of the mRNA that is spliced out of it before the mRNA exits the nucleus and is translated

Hopefully it is in your curriculum and you will study it later
 

ThaG

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Answers In Genesis just launched their own "peer-reviewed journal"

you can read the first "research articles" published in it here:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/current

if you want to have your brain bleeding, of course.....

some "Cutting-edge creation research":

Proceedings of the Microbe Forum, June 2007

Creation, Evolution and Protozoan Parasites
Frank Sherwin, Institute for Creation Research, Dallas, Texas

Parasites are viewed as odious creatures (indeed, most are!) tolerated and studied only because of economic impact and misery given to beast and man.

What does science really know regarding protozoan parasite origin?

Scripture does not say anything directly about parasites—but they are living creatures and therefore had to be created by God. But God’s original creation was very good, which means these creatures at one time briefly had a good/neutral function. There are extant protozoa living mutualistically in some termites and ambrosia beetles that secrete cellulolytic enzymes. Such degradation results in a source of nutrition while the protozoa derive protection in the insect gut.

I would like to present a possible origin of protozoan parasites from a creation worldview. Four groups are addressed: Plasmodium, trypanosomes, ciliates, and amebas. The creationist must confront the question of their origin (as with all parasites): were they present before the Fall in a dormant capacity, or did they have some other function? Protozoan populations may have lived symbiotically or mutualistically in man and animal before the Fall, only to take on a parasitic mode after the Fall. For example, the bacterium Vibrio cholera causes the human intestinal disease cholera. The infection is deadly because of the toxin the bacteria secrete. Could this toxin have had an alternative function before the Fall? A very similar toxin is produced by Vibrio fischeri, a curious light-emitting symbiotic bacterium found in the Hawaiian bobtail squid. V. fischeri is not fatal to the squid, and V. fischeri secretions are designed to inform it. Could this also be true for protozoa that may have had a mutualistic existence in man before the Fall? Did they adapt after the Fall? Adaptation for parasites would be significant and almost instantaneous. Examples include Naegleria (Order Schizopyrinida), causative agent of primary amebic meningoencephalitis. The parasite must adapt from a biflagellated form without pseudopodia in water to an actively reproducing stage in a host that is able to avoid or neutralize the sophisticated immune system response. This also includes the parasite’s ability to immediately adjust physiologically to the new environment of the host (i.e., temperature, pH, electrolyte gradients, CO2/O2 concentrations, etc.)

Carl Zimmer said in Natural History (Sept. 2000) that parasites were perhaps the dominant force in the evolution of life. Creation scientists counter that parasites do not contribute to change, but had beneficial roles as a part of God’s “very good” original creation, and have degenerated leading to their collaboration in the effects of the Curse