JIHAD...

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whut do you think a "muslim extremest" NOT muslim (as in any muslim) local to afganistan or iraq explain whut jihad is to them?

that word is deep cause basicly to an "extremest" it means to fight for religious reasons.

i think the true meaning has nothing to do with that though i forgot where i heard it but i don't think it has anything to do with violence.

could anyone find sum articles on this?
 
Aug 15, 2002
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Jihad means struggle, whether it is internal or external. The ultimate Jihad is going on a holy war. It's not just any war, it has to be a religious war in which all of the scholars agree that it is a Jihad. There are rules to this Jihad. The Muslim cannot be the aggressor or the initiator, it has to be defensive. Also, civilians cannot be hurt in any way. There are many other rules that I can't think of right now that I will post later.
 

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Nov 2, 2002
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theres a CD made by these bay area muslims dudes called "jihad". Its pretty good. Its on good fellas records or something like that. give it a listen
 
Mar 13, 2003
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why don't you assholes ask a muslim sheik instead of flapping your gums about shit you don't know about.

Your a talking anus with a computer, you don't know everything.
 
Jul 24, 2002
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To Muslim extremists, Gihad is an excuse to kill.

To a true Muslim, Gihad is the name for the action of dying for God.
"Holy War" is a term used by the media to describe an extremists view of Gihad.
Dying for God isn't necessarily reffered to waging war.
Lets say you were on the way to the Mosque when you were hit by a truck and killed. That's a form of Gihad right there.

Mohammed does instruct all Muslims to call a war against any aggressor towards Islam. But it's only applied in self deffense.
And on top of that, there are many rules to follow when at war.
You cannot kill women and children, and you cannot kill an unarmed enemy.
These are rules that extremists do not honor, therefore they're not true Muslims....
 
May 6, 2002
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EDJ said:
SO IRAQI MUSLIMS ARE IN A JIHAD CAUSE THEY BEIN' ATTACCED MY AMERIKKKA AND NOT INITIATIN' THE COMBAT?
This is a good point. But the Iraqi Government is extremely secular. Hussien is NOT a Muslim, even tho he may try and claim to be one now that his old buddies (US GOV.) turned on him.
 
Mar 13, 2003
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Everyone wants to be an expert. Nobody on here bothers to ask a personal schooled in theology, or GOD FORBID AN ACTUAL MUSLIM SCHOLAR.

You dumbasses would probably try to teach Da Vinci how to paint by numbers.

Islamic Shaykh (elder) and SCHOLAR Salih Al Munajjid who was a student of the greatest islamic scholar in the entire world in the past 100 years, Abdul Aziz Ibn Baz - THE religious leader of Saudi Arabia before he passed - says this

"Question:


Which is the greater jihad, jihad with one's nafs or jihad in the battlefield ?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

This hadeeth is not saheeh [authentic, real, Muhammad never said it].

Undoubtedly jihaad against the self comes before jihaad against the kuffaar, because one cannot strive against the kuffaar until after one has striven against one’s own self, because fighting is something which the self dislikes. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Jihaad (holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”[al-Baqarah 2:216]

The point is that jihaad against the enemy cannot take place until one strives and forces oneself to do it, until one’s self submits and accepts that.

Fataawa Manaar al-Islam by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/421

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Jihaad is of four stages: jihaad al-nafs (striving against the self), jihaad al-shayaateen (striving against the shayaateen or devils), jihaad al-kuffaar (striving against the disbelievers) and jihaad al-munaafiqeen (striving against the hypocrites).

Jihaad al-nafs means striving to make oneself learn true guidance, and to follow it after coming to know it, calling others to it, and bearing with patience the difficulties of calling others to Allaah. Jihaad al-Shaytaan means striving against him and warding off the doubts and desires that he throws at a person, and the doubts that undermine faith, and striving against the corrupt desires that he tries to inspire in a person. Jihaad against the kuffaar and munaafiqeen is done in the heart and on the tongue, with one’s wealth and oneself. Jihaad against the kuffaar mostly takes the form of physical action, and jihaad against the munaafiqeen mostly takes the form of words… The most perfect of people are those who have completed all the stages of jihaad. People vary in their status before Allaah according to their status in jihaad.”(Zaad al-Ma’aad 3/9-12)

And Allaah knows best.



Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)"


There is no jihad in Iraq, Saddam is a kaafir according to most muslim scholars. He's no better than Bush.

Guidance from the Scholars Concerning Iraq Attack
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Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee was asked (today 22/3/2003 in telephone link up with him):
O Shaykh what is the position of the Muslim from that which occurred in Iraq? And have you any advice for the Muslims in general and those living in the west specifically.

The Shaykh answered, "The reality is that this matter is saddening. And there is no power nor might except by Allaah. And the Muslims do not have any strength in their hands, and they do not have anything in their hands (at all). So there is nothing upon them except to supplicate for those weak ones who are being slaughtered. As for Saddaam Hussain, then he is a Socialist Ba'thist - and refuge is with Allaah and his creed is evil. However, he has harmed the Muslims, those who are being slaughtered for nothing they have done. So there is nothing upon them except to supplicate for them, and there is no doubt that supplication has its role (and effect), and Allaah, the Sublime and Exalted, is the one in whose Hands all the affairs lie."
 
Aug 15, 2002
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^^^Good job. You are right, I was too lazy to find actual information. Everything you have written is exactly what I have been taught since I was young.
 
Mar 13, 2003
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^^

al salamu alaikum

sorry, didn't mean to talk shit to a fellow muslim. I don't like when kaafirs try to teach Islam to Muslims. It reeks of evangelism and missionary tactics.
 
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EDJ said:
SO IRAQI MUSLIMS ARE IN A JIHAD CAUSE THEY BEIN' ATTACCED MY AMERIKKKA AND NOT INITIATIN' THE COMBAT?
Not all Iraqi's are answering the call for Jihad against America.
But Jihad would be declared in self deffense.

Something these false Christians who support this war do not understand.
How can God approve a preemptive attack such as operation Iraqi Freedom????
And even if we did have a good motive to go after Saddam, let's say he did attack us first.
Doesn't Jesus instruct people to turn the other cheek when you are struck? Doesn't he teach to love our enemies? And forvige those who offend us?
That's why I adhere to Jesus bro. The bible is the only book that sets such high standards. Love your enemy? Forgive anyone who offends you? If that ain't God, then I don't know who is....
These false Christians need to stop listenning to their hypocritical priests, pastors, and ministers. They need to pick up the bible and read it themselves....
 
Aug 15, 2002
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Willy Jones said:
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al salamu alaikum

sorry, didn't mean to talk shit to a fellow muslim. I don't like when kaafirs try to teach Islam to Muslims. It reeks of evangelism and missionary tactics.
Walaikum salam
Don't worry about, I understand why you said what you said. Half the time, these people don't know what they are talking about, and the media doesn't help cause they spread a lot of lies about Islam by misinterpreting the Quran and Hadiths.
 
Mar 7, 2003
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thapro said:
Jihad means struggle, whether it is internal or external. The ultimate Jihad is going on a holy war. It's not just any war, it has to be a religious war in which all of the scholars agree that it is a Jihad. There are rules to this Jihad. The Muslim cannot be the aggressor or the initiator, it has to be defensive. Also, civilians cannot be hurt in any way. There are many other rules that I can't think of right now that I will post later.
So then why are the palestinians killing innocent civilians? The jihad is an excuse to kill non muslims.
 
Mar 13, 2003
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Yehuda said:


So then why are the palestinians killing innocent civilians? The jihad is an excuse to kill non muslims.
You don't define a religion by it's followers - you define a religion and it's precepts by it's text.

Does your religion - Judaism - permit sex before marriage? Most jews, practicing and non practicing, do it all the time - does that mean the religion allows it?

I'm not saying Islam isn't a violent religion - it is. Chopping off fingers in the case of theft, rapists and drug dealers executed, - Islam is excessively violent by western standards. But I'm saying that most "muslims" don't follow the religion anyway.

For instance, Islam does not permit me to call you a shit talking faggot who walks with a switch but check this out:

Hey yehuda. You're a shit talking faggot who walks with a switch.

Bottom line is - the Scholar I quoted isn't apologizing to you filthy faggot jews or to the gossipy fornicating "christians" - he's speaking the truth on a page meant for muslims. He's not going to lie to sugar coat the religion. His definition of Jihaad is correct because he takes it from the Koran, and the Prophetic sayings.

The palestinians definition of Jihaad is incorrect because they take from their emotions - and they will take a place in hell for taking innocent lives and their own. Oh well.
 
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Oh by the way, Jihaad isn't always on the defensive. The basic concept is:

A muslim state is established. We send teachers and scholars to your country to set up mosques and preach. You don't have to accept, but you at least have to allow us to tell you about the religion and open up a place where people can go to accept it if they like.

If your country does not cooperate and allow us to at least preach the religion to you - we will attack, AGGRESIVELY, WITH FORCE AND WARFARE.

It doesn't seem fair and nice by western standards - but I didn't convert to Islam when I was 15 because it was nice. I converted because I believe it's the only religion God chose for earth, and if I didn't accept it - I would burn in hell if I liked it or not.