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Apr 25, 2002
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Judge rules against 'intelligent design'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1671524,00.html
Staff and agencies
Tuesday December 20, 2005


A US federal judge today ruled that "intelligent design" - the belief that a higher power, rather than evolution, created life - cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania school district.

The Dover area school board violated the constitution when it ordered that its biology curriculum must include intelligent design (ID), district judge John Jones said.

The policy, adopted in October 2004, is believed to have been the first of its kind in the country.

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the board who voted for the ID policy," Judge Jones wrote in his 139-page judgement.
"It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.

"We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom."

The board's attorneys said members sought to improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection, or evolution. Intelligent-design supporters argue that it cannot fully explain the existence of complex life forms.

The district was sued by a group of 11 parents who claimed the intelligent design policy was unconstitutional and unscientific and had no place in science classrooms. They argued that intelligent design amounts to a secular repackaging of creationism, which the courts have already ruled cannot be taught in public schools.

The Dover policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement said Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact", has inexplicable "gaps", and refers students to ID textbook Of Pandas and People for more information.

Mr Jones said advocates of intelligent design "have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavours" and that he didn't believe the concept shouldn't be studied and discussed.

"Our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom," he wrote.

The dispute is the latest chapter in a long-running debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the famous 1925 Scopes monkey trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John Scopes was fined $100 (£57) for violating a state law that forbade teaching evolution. The Tennessee supreme court reversed his conviction on the narrow ground that only a jury trial could impose a fine exceeding $50, and the law was repealed in 1967.
 
May 8, 2002
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^^^^^^^^

That's what I thought when I read this on MSN. LMAO at the church goers lying.

("It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.)
 
Nov 17, 2002
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ColdBlooded said:
A US federal judge today ruled that "intelligent design" - the belief that a higher power, rather than evolution, created life - cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania school district.
The theory of evolution has nothing to do with creating life. Modern science jumps into the middle of a process and tries to propose nonsensically how things began, or they simply ignore the lack of knowledge altogether.
 
May 11, 2002
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Cmoke said:
ah......yes, yes actually it does...lol

Well, not really. Just because we evolved into humans does not explain to why we are here what our purpose is. It also claims that it is survival of the fittest yet it doesnt not clairify what the fittest is.

I have no problem accepting evolution. It however does very little to answer lifes eternal questions.
 
Aug 26, 2002
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BaSICCally said:
Well, not really. Just because we evolved into humans does not explain to why we are here what our purpose is. It also claims that it is survival of the fittest yet it doesnt not clairify what the fittest is.

I have no problem accepting evolution. It however does very little to answer lifes eternal questions.

there is no Eternal Question.

you live, you die.
accept it folks.

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May 15, 2002
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Evolution discusses how live changes after it got here. It talks about the origin of species, not the origin of life. This is why this argument is so ridiculous: ID and evolution don't even talk about the same thing. The scope of ID goes well beyond evolution. ID is essentially challenging science as a whole and trying to change the definition of science.

@basiccally
Survival of the fttest is just a term used by some to describe competition between species. Charles Darwin purposely left this out of his writings because the man who coined the term used it as an excuse for white supremacy. The "fittest" species depends entirely on the environment a species lives in.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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Those fuck-ups were using ID as a cover-up for creationism. IMO Intelligent design aint that crazy. I think some of you need to brush up on what ID really is. ID credits evolution as happening. It says that evolution happened, but there are some scientifically unexplainable spontaneous things that evolution can't account for so there must have been some being overseeing this in some way (The Intelligent Designer). It doesn't mean it was God either, it could have been an alien by this theory. I may be wrong but that is what my understanding of it all is. BTW I think Creationism is the least likely of the 3 theories by a long shot. ID shouldn't be taught in school yet though because ID has no evidence yet.
 
May 10, 2002
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RedStorm said:
How would that happen?
its a possibility, if i knew how life was created from the start do you think id be sitting here typing about possibilities? or typing at all for that matter? id be the most amazing man in the history of man if i knew exactly how life was created from nothing or if it ever was created from nothing. so on and so on, consider all possibilities.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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Thanks to this judge, we will now see our society moving in the wrong direction. Murder, rape, immorality, homosexuality, sex with animals, and worse perhaps?

Who knows how far the downward spiral will go.

This reminds me of the 1962 decision to remove school prayer. The day that law was passed, crime increased, and kept increasing to this very day.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Thanks to this judge, we will now see our society moving in the wrong direction. Murder, rape, immorality, homosexuality, sex with animals, and worse perhaps?

Who knows how far the downward spiral will go.

This reminds me of the 1962 decision to remove school prayer. The day that law was passed, crime increased, and kept increasing to this very day.

our society is already moving in the wrong direction....

and your list adds nothing new to the equation. Murder, rape, homosexuality, sex with animals, etc... already occur, nothing new.

crime increases regaurdless in what way shape or form its in.
 
Jun 27, 2003
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Thanks to this judge, we will now see our society moving in the wrong direction. Murder, rape, immorality, homosexuality, sex with animals, and worse perhaps?

Who knows how far the downward spiral will go.

This reminds me of the 1962 decision to remove school prayer. The day that law was passed, crime increased, and kept increasing to this very day.
ur joking right? I can't tell with you

Anyway, those fools were basically lying in order to get creationism in, by dressing it up as ID. Shit's ridiculous, if you can't explain it simply say we "dont know". Don't say, "I dont know, it MUST BE GOD".