Inductive Proof of the Afterlife?

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I'd like to point out, first of all, that this is not my argument. I saw it posed by a Youtube user named npage85. I think the argument is interesting, but I suspect it is flawed. I'll expain why after I post the argument:

Premise 1: If an event is impossible to imagine happening, then it cannot happen.

Premise 2: It is impossible to imagine yourself not existing.

Conclusion: Therefore, it is impossible for you to cease to exist.


To clarify, at least in premise 1, "impossible" refers to logical impossibility. There is a distinction between what is considered physically impossible and what is logically impossible. An example of a physical impossibility would be, say, a person walking on water. It is still possible to imagine a person walking on water even though it contradicts our current knowledge of physical laws. However, logical impossibility means that it is not even imaginable. An example of a logical impossibility would be a square-circle. That is to say, a figure that is both square and circle at the same time and in the same sense. It is possible to imagine a square morphing into a circle (or vice versa.) It is possible to imagine a circle inside a square (or vice versa.) But it is not possible to imagine the figure as both square and circle at the same time and in the same sense. Logical impossibility is what premise 1 implies.

However, whether or not premise 2 invokes the same type of impossibility is one thing of which I am unsure. Therefore, I suspect there might be some equivocation in the use of the term "impossible." Still, I can't quite put my finger on this.

Another method of approach I have taken is to point out that not existing, per se, is not an event. The response (which I view as an addendum to the original argument) is that the "event," in this case, refers to the transition from existence to nonexistence. So, if a transition from existence to nonexistence is impossible, then it follows that nonexistence is impossible since the latter requires the former for existing beings.

Anyway, I find this argument to be interesting, at the very least.
 
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I can make an interesting argument that the apple didnt fall from the tree too. Thats a disputed reason for Newton.

I can say this much tho this dumb ass poster (not you dude) is arguing latin law or Maxims rather then using common sense.

http://www.inrebus.com/legalmaxims_a.php

It always is what it is.... People can think and come up with conclusions and manifest delusions but this is the basis for defiant philosophy.
 
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I can make an interesting argument that the apple didnt fall from the tree too. Thats a disputed reason for Newton.

I can say this much tho this dumb ass poster (not you dude) is arguing latin law or Maxims rather then using common sense.

http://www.inrebus.com/legalmaxims_a.php

It always is what it is.... People can think and come up with conclusions and manifest delusions but this is the basis for philosophy.
I'm not sure what you mean. Who is arguing Latin laws or maxims? The Youtube user who posed this argument? If you find a discrepancy with one of the premises or with the cogency of this argument, you should definitely address it. Simply saying that there are Latin maxims involved does not demonstrate a problem with the argument.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. Who is arguing Latin laws or maxims? The Youtube user who posed this argument? If you find a discrepancy with one of the premises or with the cogency of this argument, you should definitely address it. Simply saying that there are Latin maxims involved does not demonstrate a problem with the argument.
Yes I'm arguing the Youtube users argument.
 

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Premise 2 is flawed because many people think of life on this planet without them. From the suicidal teen that thinks the world would be better off without them to the parent who is planning how to take care of their children after their death they are imagining themselves not existing.
 
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So you agree with him? Or are you accusing him of using Latin maxims as if that invalidates his argument?
First off that philosophy isnt a maxim, second I'M NOT CALLING THE ORIGINAL POSTER ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD ANYTHING.

I find the post he/she found from another poster on a different site, interesting as well.

I'm just pointing out that the OG poster meaning the poster he reposted from another website is full of shit!

In easy to understand terms...
 
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Premise 2 is flawed because many people think of life on this planet without them. From the suicidal teen that thinks the world would be better off without them to the parent who is planning how to take care of their children after their death they are imagining themselves not existing.
Thinking of how life on this planet would be without your existence is not the same as thinking of your nonexistence.

Put another way: Imagining how others are or are not affected by your absence =/= imagining yourself not existing. Premise 2 involves imagining your own self not existing. It does not involve imagining others in your absence.

I hope the distinction is clear.
 
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Thinking of how life on this planet would be without your existence is not the same as thinking of your nonexistence.

Put another way: Imagining how others are or are not affected by your absence =/= imagining yourself not existing. Premise 2 involves imagining your own self not existing. It does not involve imagining others in your absence.

I hope the distinction is clear.
You ever read the book or seen the OG movie of Orson Wells - "The Time Machine''?

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First off that philosophy isnt a maxim,
What philosophy isn't a maxim? You brought up "maxim." I'm just trying to figure out what you're talking about.


second I'M NOT CALLING THE ORIGINAL POSTER ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD ANYTHING.
I have not accused you of this.


I find the post he/she found from another poster on a different site, interesting as well.
Who does "he/she" refer to? And, how does this other post from this different site relate to the topic of this thread here on GoM?

Seriously, I am asking because I am having difficulty following you.


I'm just pointing out that the OG poster meaning the poster he reposted from another website is full of shit!
Is this in reference to the link you gave or by "OG" poster are you referring to npage85 on Youtube? If you mean that Youtube user, then can you please explain why you think he is full of shit?


In easy to understand terms...
The terms in themselves are easy to understand. I am just having difficulty following or finding relevancy. This is not to say that your responses have no relevancy. It just means I would appreciate some clarification. :classic:
 

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Thinking of how life on this planet would be without your existence is not the same as thinking of your nonexistence.

Put another way: Imagining how others are or are not affected by your absence =/= imagining yourself not existing. Premise 2 involves imagining your own self not existing. It does not involve imagining others in your absence.

I hope the distinction is clear.

I don't get that shit. You're saying premise 2 only has to do with imagining yourself not existing but NOT imagining what others will do without your existence? Because that would be impossible and therefore prove the man right, although it would have nothing to do with the afterlife. all it would do is prove people who are born exist. cuz think about it, after you die you are typically either buried or cremated, in which case part of your body (ashes from are a part of) still exists.


Thats like asking me whats the moral of the loard of the fly's.
the moral was spelling.