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Apr 25, 2002
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Sure looks like it.... Where the patriots at? :rolleyes:

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Back from Iraq - and suddenly out on the streets

Tue Feb 8, 9:41 AM ET

Social service agencies say the number of homeless vets is rising, in part because of high housing costs and gaps in pay.

By Alexandra Marks, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

NEW YORK - Veterans of the Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) conflicts are now showing up in the nation's homeless shelters.


While the numbers are still small, they're steadily rising, and raising alarms in both the homeless and veterans' communities. The concern is that these returning veterans - some of whom can't find jobs after leaving the military, others of whom are still struggling psychologically with the war - may be just the beginning of an influx of new veterans in need. Currently, there are 150,000 troops in Iraq and 16,000 in Afghanistan. More than 130,000 have already served and returned home.


So far, dozens of them, like Herold Noel, a married father of three, have found themselves sleeping on the streets, on friends' couches, or in their cars within weeks of returning home. Two years ago, Black Veterans for Social Justice (BVSJ) in the borough of Brooklyn, saw only a handful of recent returnees. Now the group is aiding more than 100 Iraq veterans, 30 of whom are homeless.


"It's horrible to put your life on the line and then come back home to nothing, that's what I came home to: nothing. I didn't know where to go or where to turn," says Mr. Noel. "I thought I was alone, but I found out there are a whole lot of other soldiers in the same situation. Now I want people to know what's really going on."


After the Vietnam War, tens of thousands of veterans came home to a hostile culture that offered little gratitude and inadequate services, particularly to deal with the stresses of war. As a result, tens of thousands of Vietnam veterans still struggle with homelessness and drug addiction.


Veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are coming home to a very different America. While the Iraq war remains controversial, there is almost unanimous support for the soldiers overseas. And in the years since Vietnam, more than 250 nonprofit veterans' service organizations have sprouted up, many of them created by people like Peter Cameron, a Vietnam veteran who is determined that what happened to his fellow soldiers will not happen again.


But he and dozens of other veterans' service providers are concerned by the increasing numbers of new veterans ending up on streets and in shelters.


Part of the reason for these new veterans' struggles is that housing costs have skyrocketed at the same time real wages have remained relatively stable, often putting rental prices out of reach. And for many, there is a gap of months, sometimes years, between when military benefits end and veterans benefits begin.


"We are very much committed to helping veterans coming back from this war," says Mr. Cameron, executive director of Vietnam Veterans of California. "But the [Department of Veterans Affairs (news - web sites)] already has needs it can't meet and there's a lot of fear out there that programs are going to be cut even further."


Beyond the yellow ribbons
Both the Veterans Administration and private veterans service organizations are already stretched, providing services for veterans of previous conflicts. For instance, while an estimated 500,000 veterans were homeless at some time during 2004, the VA had the resources to tend to only 100,000 of them.


"You can have all of the yellow ribbons on cars that say 'Support Our Troops' that you want, but it's when they take off the uniform and transition back to civilian life that they need support the most," says Linda Boone, executive director of The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans.


After the Vietnam conflict, it was nine to 12 years before veterans began showing up at homeless shelters in large numbers. In part, that's because the trauma they experienced during combat took time to surface, according to one Vietnam veteran who's now a service provider. Doctors refer to the phenomenon as post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).


A recent study published by the New England Journal of Medicine (news - web sites) found that 15 to 17 percent of Iraq vets meet "the screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety, or PTSD." Of those, only 23 to 40 percent are seeking help - in part because so many others fear the stigma of having a mental disorder.


Many veterans' service providers say they're surprised to see so many Iraq veterans needing help so soon.


"This kind of inner city, urban guerrilla warfare that these veterans are facing probably accelerates mental-health problems," says Yogin Ricardo Singh, director of the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program at BVSJ. "And then there's the soldier's mentality: Asking for help is like saying, 'I've failed a mission.' It's very hard for them to do."


Beyond PTSD and high housing costs, many veterans also face an income void, as they search for new jobs or wait for their veterans benefits to kick in.


When Mr. Noel was discharged in December of 2003, he and his family had been living in base housing in Georgia. Since they were no longer eligible to live there, they began the search for a new home. But Noel had trouble landing a job and the family moved to New York, hoping for help from a family member. Eventually, they split up: Noel's wife and infant child moved in with his sister-in-law, and his twins were sent to relatives in Florida. Noel slept in his car, on the streets, and on friend's couches.

Last spring he was diagnosed with PTSD, and though he's currently in treatment, his disability claim is still being processed. Unable to keep a job so far, he's had no steady income, although an anonymous donor provided money for him to take an apartment last week. He expects his family to join him soon.

'Nobody understood ... the way I was'
Nicole Goodwin is another vet diagnosed with PTSD who has yet to receive disability benefits. Unable to stay with her mother, she soon found herself walking the streets of New York, with a backpack full of her belongings and her 1-year-old daughter held close.

"When I first got back I just wanted to jump into a job and forget about Iraq, but the culture shock from the military to the civilian world hit me," she says. "I was depressed for months. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat. The worst thing wasn't the war, it was coming back, because nobody understood why I was the way I was."

Ms. Goodwin was determined not to sleep on the streets, and so eventually went into the New York City shelter system where, after being shuffled from shelter to shelter, she was told she was ineligible for help. But media attention changed that, and she was able to obtain a rent voucher. With others' generosity, she also found a job. She's now attending college and working with other veterans who are determined to go to Washington with their stories.

"When soldiers get back, they should still be considered military until they can get on their feet," she says. "It's a month-to-month process, trying to actually function again. It's not easy, it takes time."
 
May 4, 2002
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they get checks when they come back. if their having $ problems go get a job. im sure they are capable of asking "do u want fries with that". shit, its better then not having a job.
 
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they get checks when they come back. if their having $ problems go get a job. im sure they are capable of asking "do u want fries with that". shit, its better then not having a job.
that doesnt really solve their homeless problem, especially if they are trying to feed their family, and in this area you can't find a spot to live at while making $6.50 an hour, working full time, 40 hours a week they'd be making 1000 bucks, and thats before taxes
 
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And no one is going to care. . .any other country, any other time, this president would be fucking assassinated and replaced. America's ignorance and fascination with big screen tv's and nice cars is going to be our fucking downfall as soon as they find a reason to enforce marshall law.
 
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USA troops are our sisters/brothers/mothers/fathers/uncles/aunts/friends, they should be treated with upmost respect, from all. This is no joking matter, without them as our frontline, we would not have our freedoms, some of you may think we are not free, well move to another country and find out how bad ya got it. "FREEDOM AINT FREE SOME OF US PAY" Singe
 
Apr 25, 2002
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its easy to say i suport the troops , does it mean anything at all no , we dont got to do a god damn thing . shit its easy for soccer moms and shit heads who work for there SUVs to say a short sentence that dont mean shit
 
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I am a soldier in the US Army, unless i sustain sever personal injury to myslef i expect them to treat me like every other job, when i no longer work there i dont get shit. Just because your ass was in the military and didnt save a dime and decided to get out, that is your fault, i am putting away bank over here. the avarage Single E-4 banks at least 30K in a 1 year deployment. And thats like spending money as well car payments ect.

E-4 Base pay: 1694
Housing allowance (bay area as an E-4): 1000 - 2500 (depending on where in the bay, SF is highest)
Overseas pay: 100
Hostile Fire pay: 450
Subsistance pay: 266

Monthly earnings with nothing to spend it on: 3500 - 5000 a month in the bank, 42000 - 60000 a year. (this is with no kids or wife) you would have a hard time blowing this on soap and toothpaste in the PX. All this money is Tax free since we are in a warzone here.

Finacial planning is an induvidual soldier task, and if they cant do it, sucks to be them.
 
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KleanKut said:
I am a soldier in the US Army, unless i sustain sever personal injury to myslef i expect them to treat me like every other job, when i no longer work there i dont get shit. Just because your ass was in the military and didnt save a dime and decided to get out, that is your fault, i am putting away bank over here. the avarage Single E-4 banks at least 30K in a 1 year deployment. And thats like spending money as well car payments ect.

E-4 Base pay: 1694
Housing allowance (bay area as an E-4): 1000 - 2500 (depending on where in the bay, SF is highest)
Overseas pay: 100
Hostile Fire pay: 450
Subsistance pay: 266

Monthly earnings with nothing to spend it on: 3500 - 5000 a month in the bank, 42000 - 60000 a year. (this is with no kids or wife) you would have a hard time blowing this on soap and toothpaste in the PX. All this money is Tax free since we are in a warzone here.

Finacial planning is an induvidual soldier task, and if they cant do it, sucks to be them.
THATS BULLSHIT HOMIE...IM A SINGLE E-4 THAT JUST GOT BACK FROM IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND KUWAIT...THEY LEFT ME OUT THERE FOR 13 MONTHS AND I SAW ABOUT 18 Gs...18 Gs?...MOTHER FUCKERS MAKE MORE CUTTIN LAWNS N SHIT...NOT CUTTIN LAWNS WITH FEAR OF GITTIN SHOT OR WHATEVER...WERE UNDERPAYED LOCO...LIKE A MUGG...IMAGINE WHAT WE MAKE IN THE STATES...DIRT...A CAR PAYMENT AND A FEW NICE MEALS...

THATS SOME ROUGH TALK ABOUT SERVIN FRIES N SHIT...A MOTHER FUCKER WENT HALF CRAZY...LEFT TO THE DESERT THINKING HE WAS FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM...ENDED UP FIGHTING FOR LIFE AND SANITY...COME BACK A DIFFERENT MAN...AND MOTHER FUCKERS CANT RESPECT THAT SHIT THE LEAST BIT? LIKE ONE OF THE SMARTER FOOLS SAID IN THIS THREAD ABOUT WERE YOUR BROTHERS SISTERS BLAH BLAH BLAH...TO SAY...WERE NORMAL FUCKIN PEOPLE. DONT HAVE SYMPATHY...JUST RESPECT WHAT I BEEN THROUGH...AND THAT IM STANDING...BACK AT HOME, A WEEK LATER OF 13 MONTHS OF WAR...SOME PEOPLE ARENT THAT FORTUNATE...INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A SOLDIER AS A NUMBER...OR BETTER YET...A STATISTIC JUST TO MAKE BUSH LOOK WORSE...REALIZE THAT DUDES JUST LIKE YOU...BUT ANYWAY...TILL YOU SEE WHAT I SEEN...AND YOURE GLAD TO BE BACK FROM HELL...STILL TRIPPIN OFF WORKIN LIGHTS, PLUMMING SYSTEMS...TREES AND GRASS...GOOD FOOD...AND THE FACT THAT NO CARS ARE GONNA BLOW UP BESIDE YOU...PLEASE DONT ASSUME YOU KNOW...OR DONT GO TO A SOURCE OF ANOTHER DUDE THAT ONLY KNOWS FROM GATHERED REPORTS AND SHIT...THATS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE LOOK STUPID...
 
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^^ 1st of all welcome back.

I was talking to this Marine that just got back, he said what impacted him the most at first was all the colors in the cities, he said all it was over there was dusty shit greys and tans.
 
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Typecee what i posted is right off my LES. Are you getting BAH? cuz thats the kicker. my BAH is 100% my base salary. glad you made it back ok. Im out doing convoy security out of victory, sometimes i go on a THT mission. but fuck it, glad you made it home safe. out
 
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SHIT...THE SCENERY IS VERY DEPRESSING...MY LAST 5 MONTHS WAS PULLING SECURITY IN KUWAIT...WORKING 14 ON 10 OFF FOR 5 MONTHS STRAIT...ALL YOU SEE IS JUST...STRAIT DESERT...NOTHING OUT THERE...JUST A FEW SAND DUNES IF THAT...IN ALL MY GEAR...AFTER A COUPLE WEEKS OF THAT SHIT...YOU ARENT AWAKE NO MORE...YOURE EITHER DEAD ASLEEP OR HALF ASLEEP...THERES NO AWAKE...YOUR MORALITY IS SOOOO FUCKIN LOW...WHAT THIS YEAR DOES...IS ITS JUST AN EXCUSE TO WORK THE FUCK OUT OF A SOLDIER, WHATEVER THE JOB BE...AFGHANISTAN THOUGH...THAT WAS PROBABLY THE WORST SCENERY...IMAGINE THE WORST SLUM OF NEW YORK CITY AND TURN IT INTO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CITIES AND YOU GOT KABUL...BUT...YOU GET USED TO IT...IT STARTS SEEMING LIKE THAT IS YOUR HOME...YOU FORGET WHAT THE REAL WORLD LOOKS LIKE...EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU CHANGES...IT EVEN CHANGES YOUR SMOKING HABITS...I SMOKED MORE FOR THE FACT THAT THE NEWPORTS IN AFGHANISTAN WERE SENT STRAIT FROM THE STATES...THEY WERE STALE AS FUCK SO THEY WERENT DOING SHIT FOR ME...PLUS THE FACT I WAS SO STRESSED OUT DIDNT HELP...FUCK IT...YOU GET USED TO IT...MAN WHEN I GOT BACK THOUGH...I WAS TRIPPIN OFF OF EVERYTHING...FUCKIN ROOMS WITH WALLS THAT GOT NO HOLES IN EM...REGULAR T.V. GOIN OFF POST TO GO EAT WHEN I WANT...NOT HAVIN TO CARRY A RIFLE...DRINKIN...LIFES GREATER NOW THAN WHEN I LEFT...

AND KLEAN...EY HOMIE...YOU AINT GONNA GET 40 TO 60 Gs...I GUARANTEE YOU THAT...AND THEY GOT YOU IN VICTORY?...IS THAT THE KUWAIT VICTORY OR THE IRAQ?...I THINK THEY CHANGED THE IRAQ ONE TO LIBERTY THOUGH...IF YOURE DOING IT IN KUWAIT...I WUS THERE FOR A FEW DAYS...IT AINT THAT BAD...TRIPS TO DOHA ON YOUR DAY OFF...BUT SUMMERTIME COMES AROUND AND THAT MOTHER FUCKER IS SO GODDAMN HOT AND HUMID...AND PULLIN SECURITY?...I FEEL FOR YOU HOMIE...KEEP YOUR HEAD UP AND KEEP IN MIND...ALLS TEMPORARY IN THIS WORLD...YOULL BE CHILLIN IN A FEW MONTHS...