I may take heat for this question but.......(MMA related)

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JLMACN

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Why does MMA allow fighters to jump on an opponent to drop 2 or 3 bombs on there head/face when they are clearly knocked out?

I realize some of you serious MMA fans really enjoy this, but damn you could really fuck someone up. And I don't mean in a "cool" way. I mean brain damage, broken jaws, broken eye sockets, etc......

It's like the ref's are just really slow to react and after 2-3 very clean bombs (full strength) they are like, "oh, shit this dude is convulsing, maybe I should stop the fight?"

It's stupid.

I realize there is a line there because some dudes aren't knocked out, but MMA needs to find that line and fix that shit.

Any thought's on this?
 
Irishmutt

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they give the fighter a chance to recover. If they jumped as soon as a guy got rocked there would be quite a few fights that ended differently. they see if the guy can weather the storm but when they become defenseless the ref jumps in. are you referring to the rothwell fight this last weekend?

 
Irishmutt

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true story some guys have the heart to battle back after weathering the storm on a side note that was probably the funniest knock out i have seen in a while
 
naner12

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It's the same reason boxers don't stop punching when someone's unconscious clearly being held up by the ropes. The same reason Montiel was allowed to get up from convulsing on the ground to take more punishment against Donaire. Because the ref's are human and I can't imagine it being easy knowing when that split second when someone's about to go is about to happen.

Some refs are just terrible but some get there as fast as they can.
 
WXS STOMP3R

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THE REFS GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE FIGHTERS BUT MAKE THE FIGHT DEFINITIVE.

AS WELL AS GIVE THE FIGHTER (WHO'S GETTING THE BIZ) A CHANCE TO REBOUND
 
JLMACN

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I want to re-state what I asked.....because maybe I didn't ask it clear enough...

A fighter who is clearly knocked out (not trying to defend, eyes shut, no defense, etc), why does UFC allow fighters to drop bombs on them while they are just laying there motionless or convulsing?

It's the same reason boxers don't stop punching when someone's unconscious clearly being held up by the ropes. The same reason Montiel was allowed to get up from convulsing on the ground to take more punishment against Donaire. Because the ref's are human and I can't imagine it being easy knowing when that split second when someone's about to go is about to happen.
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I don't mind this answer because clearly there is a human effect with Ref's not knowing better, but it seems like when there is a clear cut knockout by a punch, kick, or knee these fighters still get to drop bombs on them after dude just falls over.....

And I am sure UFC knows the fans love it so maybe that is the answer.
 
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I actually do not se many fights where the ref is late or fighters keep punching when they realize that the opponent is really knocked out. Is this really a big issue like you state it to be?
 
B-Buzz

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1. The ref doesn't have an indicator light to know if a guy is KO'd, he has to use his judgement to tell if the fighter can intelligently defend themselves in the first 2-3 seconds of them hitting the ground.
2. The fighter doesn't know if the guy is KO'd or not so he's going to keep hitting the guy until the ref stops him.
3. The ref is usually 4-5 feet away from the fighters at any given time.

In the 2-3 seconds it takes the ref to move in 4-5 feet while determining if the downed fighter is KO'd guys keep throwing punches. There's some times when guys will stop themselves (Mousasi-Babalu, Mousasi-Jacare, Stann-Sakara) and there's sometimes guys don't stop themselves (Rampage-Wand 3, Hendo-Bisping, Brock-Murrr 2)
 
Irishmutt

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JLMACN said:
I want to re-state what I asked.....because maybe I didn't ask it clear enough...

A fighter who is clearly knocked out (not trying to defend, eyes shut, no defense, etc), why does UFC allow fighters to drop bombs on them while they are just laying there motionless or convulsing?



I don't mind this answer because clearly there is a human effect with Ref's not knowing better, but it seems like when there is a clear cut knockout by a punch, kick, or knee these fighters still get to drop bombs on them after dude just falls over.....

And I am sure UFC knows the fans love it so maybe that is the answer.
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how many times have you seen it where the guy gets rung by one punch and seemingly woke back up with the next? there have been quite a few matches where the guy is clearly rung out and the next punch or even bouncing his head off the mat brings them back. they let the fighters fight and this is where you get to see true fighting instincts where it is fight or flight. this is where these guys get labeled with a steel chin and what not. Im not too good with alot of the fighters names but there have been fights where in one moment the guy that gets knocked comes back and knocks the other guy out. giving the fans what they want.
 
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naner12 said:
The same reason Montiel was allowed to get up from convulsing on the ground to take more punishment against Donaire..
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i actually had a conversation with Nonito about that KO.. i asked him how he felt about russell mora allowing it to go on. he said he didnt mind because Montiel was champ, but theres a time where you gotta look at the situation and say to urself "this dude just imagined he was riding a fucking bike on the ground, cmon man" lol funniest shit
 
2-0-Sixx

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mora also didn't see Montiel having a little seizure on the mat as his back was turned and was directing Donaire to a neutral corner. if he had saw he would have waved it off.

as for the topic I understand why but I find that shit at times a huge turn off and seems barbaric tbh. I understand it doesn't happen often when the guys completely out but I've seen it a number of times. that's why I like Anderson Silva he'll knock a dude down and and be all chill about it, even giving the guy a chance to get up so he can toy with him some more.
 
BROWN GUERRERO

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JLMACN said:
I want to re-state what I asked.....because maybe I didn't ask it clear enough...

A fighter who is clearly knocked out (not trying to defend, eyes shut, no defense, etc), why does UFC allow fighters to drop bombs on them while they are just laying there motionless or convulsing?



I don't mind this answer because clearly there is a human effect with Ref's not knowing better, but it seems like when there is a clear cut knockout by a punch, kick, or knee these fighters still get to drop bombs on them after dude just falls over.....

And I am sure UFC knows the fans love it so maybe that is the answer.
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Show us what fights you're talking about. The fights where a fighter is clearly out limp and is still getting bombed on are super rare and usually the refs take major heat for it. But for the most part MMA refs(the main ones anways) do a good job of deciding whether a fight should continue or be stopped. Please give us multiple, specific examples. Most of the refs were either fighters themselves(ex herb dean) or train in MMA(ex Big John is a black belt in BJJ).
 
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I'm sure the ref knows that if he calls the fight too soon, Dana will be offering them less gigs with the UFC. Like i said earlier its good for business, it would be like hockey removing the fights. It would take away from the event therefore causing the business to lose fans. Fans = money.

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this cat got hit in the back of the head like 3 times and the ref didn't even warn the other fighter.


 
BROWN GUERRERO

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Dana has nothing to do with who refs the fights. The athletic commissions assign them all even overseas. That Shogun Machida fight has no excessive punches. Shogun even stops and walks away when he notices Machida is out.
 
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BROWN GUERRERO said:
Dana has nothing to do with who refs the fights. The athletic commissions assign them all even overseas. That Shogun Machida fight has no excessive punches...
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Money talks, the UFC has plenty of power to influence officials just like top rank does in boxing. Also the only reason there wasn't excessive punching was because Rua stopped himself. Look at the gif, the ref doesn't step in until rua has completely unmounted Machida. If Rua wanted to he could've hit a unconscious/defenseless Machida 3 more times right in the face.
 
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