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US Senate approves stem cell bill

President George W Bush has promised veto.

The US Senate has approved a controversial bill to expand embryonic stem cell research.

The measure passed by 63 votes to 37, falling short of the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto.

Opinion polls suggest most Americans back the research, which scientists hope will lead to cures for illnesses like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

But Mr Bush has consistently opposed embryonic research on moral grounds.

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Not since Thomas Jefferson has a US president gone this long without using his veto, reports the BBC's James Coomarasamy.

He says the Bush administration has successfully used pro-life issues to mobilise its Republican base, notably in the 2004 presidential election.

It is ironic that one of those issues seems set to result in the president's first veto, he adds.

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I just watched a video today entitled "The Real Jurassic Park" about scientosts able to clone a Wooly Mammoth....and they wanted to sprout back "everything evolutionary they can"...

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
 

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My brother does stem cell research. He takes the stem cells out of mice and uses the stem cells to put fresh muscle on the scar tissue around the heart. Whenever this fresh muscle is hit by electronic waves, it still has the ability to expand and contract (unlike the scar tissue) thereby repairing hearts from a heart attack.

My bro sat me down and explained to me that you can harvest stem cells from anything (adults, umbilical chords, etc.) and people are never going to "grow humans for their parts" or anything like that.

It just seems like the most promising field in science right now, and this guy wants to veto it for being morally wrong based on religious reasons. The whole time this is the same guy who's about to start a goddamn Holy war.
 
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Bush on Stem Cell Veto: ‘These Boys and Girls Are Not Spare Parts’

LMAO

Moments ago, Bush made a statement at the White House discussing why he vetoed a bill expanding funding for embryonic stem cell research. (The media was barred from covering the veto itself. ) Bush explained, “these boys and girls are not spare parts.” Watch it here.



An embryo is not a boy or a girl. It’s a cluster of about 150 cells smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. The embryos funded by the bill Bush vetoed were “created for the purposes of in vitro fertilization…which are spare or in excess of clinical need and in every single case are slated for medical waste.”

Only about 10 percent of embryos are adopted — the rest are disposed of. Had Bush signed the bill into law, they could instead be used to develop potentially life-saving cures for millions of people.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:


Had Bush signed the bill into law, they could instead be used to develop potentially live-saving cures for millions of people.


The money aint in the cure...its in "living with it"...

Almost 15 billion dollars a year made from prescription and legal drugs...the government cant afford to loose that kind od revenue...

Im convinced...that the government has a cure for AIDS and cancer locked away somewhere....i also have a feeling they CREATED AIDS(black plague anyone?)...

Population control is gettin harder and harder these days....
 
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH LETTING NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE?
What is that supposed to mean?

Should we not use science to advance our lives? Perhaps you should turn off your computer and shut your electricity off and start growing your own food. Don’t take medicine when you get sick and if you get a curable disease, just let nature take it's course.
 

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There are arguments either way as far as stem cell research is concerned. Bush is just protecting himself, and appeasing his friends; the religious right. He may believe it as well. I just think he doesn't want to be going down in history as the guy who allowed the research. Which is weird, considering the possibilities it holds.
 
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That is the dumbest thing I ever heard...
I don't really care because you can get stem cell treatments outside of the US... those treatments have been illeagal here..
because the gov is in with the med companies..
to sell more drugs and surgery.....

and bush is such a hyprocrit...
he says he does it for religious reasons!
what a lie... he's the same guy
who is being used by the Illuminati to kill people..
and the same guy who is part of Skull and Bones..
and woships the demon Molech at Bohemian Grove...
and who's Skull and Bones name is Magog...

OH PLEASE.. cut the crap.. with it being a moral reaons to
veto it... really he just wants more people to DIE...

YAWNS... and yet most of the public believes that lie..
and believe he is someone who worships God...
don't make me laugh...
 
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here some better news about the stem cell research debate!


http://www.ktvu.com/news/9550102/detail.html

Schwarzenegger Approves Loan For Stem Cell Institute


SACRAMENTO -- A day after President Bush vetoed expanded federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday authorized a $150 million loan to fund California's stem cell institute, which has been stalled by lawsuits.

Schwarzenegger, a Republican who has been trying to distance himself from the unpopular president as he seeks re-election this year, said the state cannot afford to wait to fund the critical science associated with stem cells.

"I remain committed to advancing stem cell research in California, in the promise it holds for millions of our citizens who suffer from chronic diseases and injuries that could be helped as a result of stem cell research," Schwarzenegger said in a letter to his finance director.

Embryonic stem cells are building blocks that turn into different types of tissue. Scientists hope to use them someday to regenerate damaged organs or other body parts and cure diseases. Some oppose such research because it entails the destruction of human embryos.

Schwarzenegger championed the 2004 initiative in which voters approved creating the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine and authorized spending $3 billion over 10 years for stem cell research. But anti-abortion and anti-tax groups sued soon after it passed, arguing the institute is unconstitutional.

On April 21, a Superior Court judge ruled the institute was a legitimate state agency. But opponents appealed, and the legal wrangling could hold up the institute's financing until at least next year.

Schwarzenegger's loan provides money so the institute can get started in the meantime.

"At one stroke, this will energize stem cell research in California," said Zach Hall, president of the institute.

Dana Cody, an attorney for the Life Legal Defense Foundation who is representing an anti-tax group that filed suit, said Schwarzenegger's decision to provide state money for the agency contradicts his stance as a fiscal conservative.

"If we're successful with our lawsuit, then the state's going to be out of that money," she said, referring to the $150 million loan.

In recent months, a number of philanthropists, including John Doerr, a venture capitalist, Richard Blum, an investment banker who is married to U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat, and Eli Broad, a developer, have come to the stem cell agency's aid buy purchasing $14 million in bond anticipation notes to fund it.

In doing so, they agreed to take the risk that the agency could be rejected by the courts and the notes would never be paid back. The agency has commitments from other private investors to buy another $30 million in notes, which cannot be sold on Wall Street because of the risk.

Schwarzenegger's Democratic opponent in November's gubernatorial election, Phil Angelides, who as state treasurer also chairs the stem cell agency's finance committee, took credit for coming up with the idea to sell the bond anticipation notes. Angelides said that in announcing the state loan, the governor was acting tardily and out of selfish political motives.

"For the past year, while I was fighting for immediate funding for the California Institute of Regenerative Medicine, the governor failed to lift a finger to stand up to the anti-research activists who thwarted the will of the voters and blocked Proposition 71," he said, referring to the ballot measure that created the agency.

Schwarzenegger's communications director, Adam Mendelsohn, said the governor acted because of Bush's veto and "because it's the right thing to do to keep California out in front."

Elsewhere, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a Democrat, announced Thursday that he is diverting $5 million from the state budget for stem cell research, despite repeated objections from state legislators.

"Investing in research that can save lives and prevent serious illnesses is more than a sound public health strategy, it's our moral obligation," he said.

The money will come out of administrative funds already set aside for the state Department of Healthcare and Family Services, Blagojevich said.

Illinois lawmakers have previously voted against stem cell research, and this spring they did not take up the governor's proposal for $100 million in funding over five years.
 
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my take on this is...

bush knozdamn well this is a good thing... but why do u ask would he veto such a thing??

heres 2 reasons why (IMO)

1) its a free vote for fellow neo-cons.. if they kno before hand that hes going to veto the bill then they can vote FOR it knowing it would fail so that later during the elections when it becomes a big issue the neo-cons can say they were "all for it"

2) Its not a moral decision but an investing one.. i believe that he's stalling stem cell research so it can be privatized and people would have to be paying an arm and a leg to get treatment..

ask yourself this question.. what would cost more.. curing a disease or an ailment? or treatment for such problems??
 
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True hipocracy.
One of Bushs main arguments aginst stem cell research is that "we should not be taking innocent lives in order to preserve others," yet the deaths of civilians in Iraq are "for the greater good?" This cat sticks by his convictions when it is advantageous for his agenda, or wallet...that's the fucked up thing, I don't even know what Bush is after anymore, I don't think even he knows.