HIP HOP = NIGGER (long one but read it, this is some good stuff)
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driving drunk to court with his "black kids" in the car...that shits actually pretty funny. i have a feeling this guy means nothing of what hes saying and is laughing at how serious everyone is taking him. the siccness is a good place to do that
yeah but its not blaming hip hop for society's problemS. but putting responsibility on hip hop for the way young black people are acting. the reality is, rappers are role models and are looked up to by young black youth, more so than the parents in some cases. knowing this, rather than help raise the black community, hip hop is pretty much pimpin it and making it worse.
so its like blaming parents, who are the role models for a child's behavior. of course society has issues, and hip hop isnt the root of the problems, but neither are parents when a child does bad in school, yet everybody feels its legit to put responsibitliy on parents if they arent good role models. why not put responsibility on hip hop for the poor role modeling theyre doing?
yeah but its not blaming hip hop for society's problemS. but putting responsibility on hip hop for the way young black people are acting. the reality is, rappers are role models and are looked up to by young black youth, more so than the parents in some cases. knowing this, rather than help raise the black community, hip hop is pretty much pimpin it and making it worse.
so its like blaming parents, who are the role models for a child's behavior. of course society has issues, and hip hop isnt the root of the problems, but neither are parents when a child does bad in school, yet everybody feels its legit to put responsibitliy on parents if they arent good role models. why not put responsibility on hip hop for the poor role modeling theyre doing?
Who owns the record labels? White
Who runs the radio stations? White
^^^ These two things right there tell you a lot. What kind of music makes it big? Conscious rap that tells the youth positive things, or Laffy fuckin Taffy? Don't blame Hip Hop and Rap for things that are wrong in black youth, you're wrong in doing so and so is everyone else. Look into class and poverty levels for answers...
And who buys most of the music? White
true. sounds like a modern day minstrel show to me. itd be nice if black rappers would stop being sambos and fueling the oppression of the black community
its hard to change class poverty levels when rappers make it out the ghetto and are seen as role models and examples by black kids...all the while promoting nothing but ignorance to these kids
its hard to change class poverty levels when rappers make it out the ghetto and are seen as role models and examples by black kids...all the while promoting nothing but ignorance to these kids
LMFAO, you're logic is beyond the capacity of a normal human...
Is the Conventional Wisdom Correct
In Measuring Hip-Hop Audience?
May 5, 2005
It's hard to read an article about hip-hop without encountering the claim that 70% to 80% of people who buy rap music are white.
The statistic is a favorite of journalists and industry executives because it defies the misconception still making the rounds that rap's fans are mostly black, and shows that it is instead mainstream music and mainstream business. It's been stated so often that it's become an "industry convention," Will Griffin, president of Russell Simmons's Simmons Lathan Media Group in Los Angeles, told me. A mention in a Wall Street Journal article last week sparked reader Dave Osborne and a colleague to suggest that I check it out.
The Journal article was one of dozens of mentions I've found in the media stretching back for over a decade. They have taken different forms. Sometimes it's 70%, sometimes 80%. The proportion is of rap buyers, or rap listeners, or total rap purchases; it's of teenagers, or of consumers age 13 to 34.
Often, the 70% statistic isn't attributed but merely recited as gospel, making it tough to find its original source. Many articles, stretching from 1999 to this year, attribute the numbers to SoundScan, a sales-tracking company. For example, this Philadelphia Inquirer article from last year reported, "According to SoundScan, which tracks sales in the music industry, as much as 70 percent of the paying (and downloading) hip-hop audience is white kids living in the suburbs."
But a spokesman for SoundScan, now part of VNU's Nielsen media-tracking unit, says the company has never tracked the race of music buyers. He says a related company, SoundData, may have reported the stat in 1999, but SoundData no longer exists and he couldn't locate anyone who recalled the details. A 1994 Advertising Age article attributes to SoundData that "roughly 75% of rap records are owned by white teen-agers," suggesting that the statistic could date from a time when hip-hop was half its current age.
Simmons Lathan was cited in a Forbes.com article last year: "SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80 percent of whom are white." But Mr. Griffin says the company was using statistics from Vibe Magazine. Vibe, in turn, was using stats from Mediamark Research Inc., best known for reporting the demographics of magazine readers, according to Lou Lopez, research consultant for Vibe. "It's important for our advertisers," Mr. Lopez told me. "Sometimes they have you slotted as a black magazine. Currently almost a quarter of our readers are white."
And so my inquiries led me to MRI, where I found out that this is a statistical story with a mostly happy ending. Conventional wisdom, for once, turns out to be mostly correct -- with the caveat that there's a lot we don't know about race and rap sales.
Each year, MRI researchers go into about 25,000 homes nationwide and talk to residents for an hour about their media habits. Then they leave a thick booklet -- last year's is 104 pages -- full of questions about 6,000 brands in 500 categories. As compensation for answering all the questions about their buying habits, respondents get between $20 and $75, depending on where they live, says Anne Marie Kelly, MRI's vice president of marketing and strategic planning. The overall response rate among households that MRI initially contacts is about 40%.
Among the questions MRI asks is whether the respondent purchased pre-recorded rap audio tapes & compact discs in the last 12 months. MRI (which United Business Media PLC agreed to sell to GfK Aktiengesellschaft last month) sent me the results for 1995, 1999 and 2001, for both adults 18 to 34 and for all adults. For both groups, the percentage of recent rap buyers who are white was about 70% to 75% for all three years.
A caveat: Race is a slippery concept. Spurred by a change in Census Bureau methodology, MRI researchers no longer decide for themselves the race of their respondents, and the group has expanded the number of races and allowed respondents to check more than one. In fall 2004, using the new method, MRI found that just 60% of rap buyers are white, though 78% of Americans self-identify as white. Apparently, a significant number of people whom researchers thought were white wouldn't identify themselves as such.
Other caveats: It's unclear how well respondents can recall what they've bought in the last year; gifts count, even if the buyer isn't a rap fan; MRI can't say how much rap respondents buy -- maybe white buyers are more, or less, intense fans than blacks; respondents decided what music is included in rap -- others may dispute their definition; and it's unclear how the numbers would come out if you removed just a few artists -- platinum-selling, white rapper Eminem, for instance -- or labels. Music writers should either update their stat or just accept that rap is mainstream and move on.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB111521814339424546.html
Is the Conventional Wisdom Correct
In Measuring Hip-Hop Audience?
May 5, 2005
It's hard to read an article about hip-hop without encountering the claim that 70% to 80% of people who buy rap music are white.
The statistic is a favorite of journalists and industry executives because it defies the misconception still making the rounds that rap's fans are mostly black, and shows that it is instead mainstream music and mainstream business. It's been stated so often that it's become an "industry convention," Will Griffin, president of Russell Simmons's Simmons Lathan Media Group in Los Angeles, told me. A mention in a Wall Street Journal article last week sparked reader Dave Osborne and a colleague to suggest that I check it out.
The Journal article was one of dozens of mentions I've found in the media stretching back for over a decade. They have taken different forms. Sometimes it's 70%, sometimes 80%. The proportion is of rap buyers, or rap listeners, or total rap purchases; it's of teenagers, or of consumers age 13 to 34.
Often, the 70% statistic isn't attributed but merely recited as gospel, making it tough to find its original source. Many articles, stretching from 1999 to this year, attribute the numbers to SoundScan, a sales-tracking company. For example, this Philadelphia Inquirer article from last year reported, "According to SoundScan, which tracks sales in the music industry, as much as 70 percent of the paying (and downloading) hip-hop audience is white kids living in the suburbs."
But a spokesman for SoundScan, now part of VNU's Nielsen media-tracking unit, says the company has never tracked the race of music buyers. He says a related company, SoundData, may have reported the stat in 1999, but SoundData no longer exists and he couldn't locate anyone who recalled the details. A 1994 Advertising Age article attributes to SoundData that "roughly 75% of rap records are owned by white teen-agers," suggesting that the statistic could date from a time when hip-hop was half its current age.
Simmons Lathan was cited in a Forbes.com article last year: "SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80 percent of whom are white." But Mr. Griffin says the company was using statistics from Vibe Magazine. Vibe, in turn, was using stats from Mediamark Research Inc., best known for reporting the demographics of magazine readers, according to Lou Lopez, research consultant for Vibe. "It's important for our advertisers," Mr. Lopez told me. "Sometimes they have you slotted as a black magazine. Currently almost a quarter of our readers are white."
And so my inquiries led me to MRI, where I found out that this is a statistical story with a mostly happy ending. Conventional wisdom, for once, turns out to be mostly correct -- with the caveat that there's a lot we don't know about race and rap sales.
Each year, MRI researchers go into about 25,000 homes nationwide and talk to residents for an hour about their media habits. Then they leave a thick booklet -- last year's is 104 pages -- full of questions about 6,000 brands in 500 categories. As compensation for answering all the questions about their buying habits, respondents get between $20 and $75, depending on where they live, says Anne Marie Kelly, MRI's vice president of marketing and strategic planning. The overall response rate among households that MRI initially contacts is about 40%.
Among the questions MRI asks is whether the respondent purchased pre-recorded rap audio tapes & compact discs in the last 12 months. MRI (which United Business Media PLC agreed to sell to GfK Aktiengesellschaft last month) sent me the results for 1995, 1999 and 2001, for both adults 18 to 34 and for all adults. For both groups, the percentage of recent rap buyers who are white was about 70% to 75% for all three years.
A caveat: Race is a slippery concept. Spurred by a change in Census Bureau methodology, MRI researchers no longer decide for themselves the race of their respondents, and the group has expanded the number of races and allowed respondents to check more than one. In fall 2004, using the new method, MRI found that just 60% of rap buyers are white, though 78% of Americans self-identify as white. Apparently, a significant number of people whom researchers thought were white wouldn't identify themselves as such.
Other caveats: It's unclear how well respondents can recall what they've bought in the last year; gifts count, even if the buyer isn't a rap fan; MRI can't say how much rap respondents buy -- maybe white buyers are more, or less, intense fans than blacks; respondents decided what music is included in rap -- others may dispute their definition; and it's unclear how the numbers would come out if you removed just a few artists -- platinum-selling, white rapper Eminem, for instance -- or labels. Music writers should either update their stat or just accept that rap is mainstream and move on.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB111521814339424546.html
lol @ this, sure some shit existed before hip hop, but its on a more wide scale than it was because now its publicized and on every tv show radio station and video game. now everyone is exposed to it, and exposure numerous times shows results, thats how commercials work, and thats how listening to violent hip hop all the time works. and black on black crime is only due to society in the sense that society excepts and stands up for hip hop with dumbass rants like this, thus making it look cool to carry weapons to even the youngsters that are 8 or 9 years of age because they have access to bet or mtv, then they get exposed to it for years till they actually do it. now, whos fault is this, the white mans? yes, of coarse, because he always holds blacks down. that right there was a bit sarcastic, but whitey does have blame in this. he not only buys most of the rap cds thus deciding what sells, he also controls airways to control whats on tv. but heres the catch, rappers and record label owners are at fault as well. record labels manipulate artists into doing what sells, they dont have to but they do, cause their just as greedy as the higher white man, then the artist complies, cause hes greedy as fuck too, and wants his cut. same with everyone else involved in the making of hip hop, besides a few that have kept it true. so in short, its everyones fault, its hip hops fault, whiteys fault, and the artists fault (usually black) blah, there u go