Hillary Clinton

[XianeX]

said resolutely yesterday that she doesnt support repairations.
i think this is a very peculiar view for her to have seeing she represents the underdog team (democrats).

anyway she said that it would in some way detract from america being a more perfect union. interesting?

how is it that paying bacc what you owe would take away from the american way. hmmm maybe in that last sentence i answered my own question.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

im suprised that she would answer such a contraversial question seeming as to how she's always dodging the questions of importance.

 

[XianeX]

it was on a live episode of hardball

 

[Mcleanhatch]

ok, ya, i heard of that but never got around to see it

 

[XianeX]

what it boils down to is this. shes posturing for presidency.

she made another comment that she doesnt support people who dont have mainstream views. as i said before thats posturing.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

what it boils down to is this. shes posturing for presidency.

she made another comment that she doesnt support people who dont have mainstream views. as i said before thats posturing.

ya but in all honesty she needs to not think about presidency because i doubt she would ever win. i personally doubt she could win the senate in NY again especially if Mayor Gulianni decides to run against her next time out.

actually the democrats need to revamp and come out with some new leaders cause most of the ones in power right now (both clintons, daschle, gephart) have no sense of charisma, or much of a following.

 

[XianeX]

<-- Recommends Harlod Ford Jr.
as soon as they give him a shot the game will change for the democrats. but i do suggest that he works on charisma. he has a ton of personality but he doesnt seem "friendly" nobody really wants to vote for someone who they couldnt call a "friend"

 

[Mcleanhatch]

<-- Recommends Harlod Ford Jr.

from Oklahoma right? i think he would have made a way better choice than Nancy Pellosi. i hear he has a high ceiling. even republicans are high on him.

 

[JIM HAT]

Hillary Clinton

id fuck her

 

[XianeX]

@jim LOL me too. for the right price

@mc yes from oklahoma.

DEFINITELY. republicans want him in not only because he's a good politician all around but because they are bored with the "good ol boys" of the democratic party. they WANT competition. they know very well that competition is what drives the gov't and that he would change and/or raise standards.

that may not be a popular opinion but in comparisson to nancy. . .do the math

 

[Blight]

At the time it was the American way, there is nothing owed.

 

[XianeX]

@blight - please explain. i dont know to what you are refering. are you refering to reparations? i do believe there is a lot owed. but reparations is not the answer ( in the manner in which has been subscribed to by blacc leaders).

im like this if you set a group of people at an advantage by crippling other groups you do society as a whole a disservice. it causes spite and more division. but if you even the playing field for all citizens you'll make everyone happy and give those that were disadvantaged an opportunity to come out of their "slump" afterwards the responsibility is hands of each individual group to come up.

 

[Snubnoze]

Johny Cokeran kinda sold me on his idea of reparations. His idea was not just send out a check to every black man, but instead put money into black communities, which are in majority poor communities. Building community centers and cleaning up neighborhoods, I'm all for that. Thats probobly the most realistic plan. If it was just puttin a check into everyone's hands I'm very much against that. The message needs to be sent out that its money for social programs, and not just a check sent to every black person in the country. More people would be for reparations if it was described in that way.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Johny Cokeran kinda sold me on his idea of reparations. His idea was not just send out a check to every black man, but instead put money into black communities, which are in majority poor communities. Building community centers and cleaning up neighborhoods, I'm all for that.

that sounds good^^^^^^^.

but like you said as for putting cash in the hands of blacks i dont think it should happen. because then you would also have to do the say for the german americans and the italian americans for their hardships during WWII and to all the mexican americans during the period of repatriotism, and then also to all the mexicans who lost their land as a result of the treaty america broke with mexico (treaty of guadalupe hidalgo), all the vietnamese and other SE Asians for pulling out of vietman and leaving them alone to die

 

[Snubnoze]

Also, the arguement for reperations is not payback for what happened to ancestors, but payment because as a result of slavery, blacks still live in poverty and it is harder for them to be successfull because they are at the bottom of the food chain. I would also agree with that. The problem with handing out checks is there is no accountablity on the person that they will use the money to better themselves. You know when the money goes towards programs that clean up neighborhoods and give the people more oportunities to be successfull that that money is goin towards the right direction. In that case afirmative action can be described as a form of reperations. I think its a good idea as a temporary program to get blacks more on a level playing field.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

In that case afirmative action can be described as a form of reperations

actually, and i know im gonna take heat for this but i believe that affirmitive action is a form of racism

 

[Snubnoze]

nah see you gotta look at the whole picture. This society is already racist in the form of opportunities. On majority, Blacks and Whites are not born with the same opportunities. Most blacks don't have a chance to go to a big college to get all the degrees while many whites have it paid for by their parents. So what your doing by using affirmative action is not taking away from a race, its helping a race get on more of a level playing field. Once both are on equal grounds their is no need for affirmative action.....

 

[Mcleanhatch]

ya but i still say that kids should get into college based on their actual grades and their qualifications rather than on their race

 

[Mcleanhatch]

So what your doing by using affirmative action is not taking away from a race, its helping a race get on more of a level playing field.

isnt that holding back white people to give the impression that minorities are catching up. and in the long term doesnt that have a negative impact on all people

 

[XianeX]

affirmative action IS a form of reparations.

i dont however think its a form of racism. social issues based on race do still exist. affirmative action should be made better.

i think its unfortunate that many whites have to miss a semester or two just to fit within their perferred schools quota but one must take into account that the white kid WILL get in. its not always the case with the blacc kid.

affirmative action is a federal mandate to quelch the racism in whites forcefully. but in truth it usually just provokes it more.

i think niggaz should hustle and take advantage of these types of advatages as well. but i also think whites should be sensitive to the fact that there are many among them that have a racial elitist state of mind.

keep in mind their are many blaccs with qualifications that would be overlooked in preference to a white person in many instances.

AA is just a way to level the playing field