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[XianeX]

That's been my point to him. square one. he can believe whatever he wants because in a virtual and real sense all things
are possible but not probable (something that I gleaned from our portion of the conversation). My belief is all belief systems are inconsequential. I think if he really believed and studied all facets of his religion he'd know that.

What's deep is this. maya is illusory/imaginary/virtual world or desires. Religious orders delgate/define/describe the perception of both the spiritual and natural world. in that they have power (preistcraft/witchcraft). all religions and sects etcetera start with a "visionary" i.e. a guy who used his imagination to virtualize/realize it into the real world. I'll stop there.

do you disagree that the imagination (either conscious or subconscious) is mankinds link into the spiritual (or as i say virtual) realm?

I do believe we are all manifestations of the divine but not in the universal deist's sense. some of there theories are just as subjective as any other doctrine. both the conversation with you and 916 has brought me back into a deeper philosophical study of mathematics and "economics" more specificly.

I do feel fortunate to have met someone as intelligent as me (you) to trade thoughts with. hopefully we've both learned alot from each other.

 

[HERESY]

That's been my point to him. square one. he can believe whatever he wants because in a virtual and real sense all things are possible but not probable (something that I gleaned from our portion of the conversation). My belief is all belief systems are inconsequential. I think if he really believed and studied all facets of his religion he'd know that.

I wouldn't say all belief systems are inconsequential. Most theology and religion? Yes. All belief systems? No. The reason I say no is based on the fact that some belief systems DO help people. Some belief systems are NOT rooted in "spookism" or "god". Does that make them bad or deserving of hell fire an damnation (another belief system)? No. You may believe it's important to help people and so you do it every chance you get. You feel as though you help because that person can help someone or could be the person who finds the cure to that sickness 2-0-6 made up. This would be a "social" belief system (master race doctrine would be a social one also) but I compare it to religious belief systems also. If your belief system teaches you to do right, help others etc etc etc I'm all for it. Does that mean I believe (damn that word again!) all roads lead to rome? Nope.

What's deep is this. maya is illusory/imaginary/virtual world or desires. Religious orders delgate/define/describe the perception of both the spiritual and natural world. in that they have power (preistcraft/witchcraft). all religions and sects etcetera start with a "visionary" i.e. a guy who used his imagination to virtualize/realize it into the real world. I'll stop there.

LOL! You should not have stopped. I can see where you are coming from and for the most part I do agree with you to an extent. Lately I've been thinking about my posts with 916 (which I need to get back to) and to simply put it what he believes is something he has read. Not something he has experienced. I can tell you all day that I had an experience but does that mean it happened? The hindus (genereic sense) have said "this is how things work", christians have said it, muslims, satanist, catholics, mormons etc etc etc. They are telling you "this is how it happens" but you have to ask yourself IS THIS HOW IT *REALLY* HAPPENS? Well that depends on what "CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE" book you read *hint hint*.

do you disagree that the imagination (either conscious or subconscious) is mankinds link into the spiritual (or as i say virtual) realm?

THE link? No. A link? Without a doubt.

I do believe we are all manifestations of the divine but not in the universal deist's sense. some of there theories are just as subjective as any other doctrine. both the conversation with you and 916 has brought me back into a deeper philosophical study of mathematics and "economics" more specificly.

Studying math and "economics" will always lead you back to spirituality, religion and doctrine. You would think that they wouldn't go hand in hand but they do. A lot of people have theories that are subjective and if you're not careful you can be ensnared by them. I'm not talking about your typical "cult" either. Think past that. I've had convos with 916 in two threads which I need to address. I took the simple route with him. Both threads have the word Karma in the title. If you haven't read them you should.

I do feel fortunate to have met someone as intelligent as me (you) to trade thoughts with. hopefully we've both learned alot from each other.

Thank you I appreciate the words and convo.



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[XianeX]

I can tell you all day that I had an experience but does that mean it happened? The hindus (genereic sense) have said "this is how things work", christians have said it, muslims, satanist, catholics, mormons etc etc etc. They are telling you "this is how it happens" but you have to ask yourself IS THIS HOW IT *REALLY* HAPPENS? Well that depends on what "CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE" book you read *hint hint*.

That was so Gangsta I don't know what to say. oowee. I FEEL!

THE link? No. A link? Without a doubt.

Just as cold as the previous quote.

Studying math and "economics" will always lead you back to spirituality, religion and doctrine. You would think that they wouldn't go hand in hand but they do. A lot of people have theories that are subjective and if you're not careful you can be ensnared by them. I'm not talking about your typical "cult" either. Think past that. I've had convos with 916 in two threads which I need to address. I took the simple route with him. Both threads have the word Karma in the title. If you haven't read them you should.

@ the karma posts - That I will do! Without question the demons thread was the most productive, insightful and useful discourse yet. You're absolutely right the deeper one delves into logic and science the closer they return to spirituality. My problem was reconciling miraculous things back to practical reality. The funny thing is this. when I was a child I had "experiences", I won't discuss it here at all, but it was enough that it took me on my "journey". It may be why I found how you approach this subject matter so interesting and parallel.

We've both evolved in our perspectives and approaches which is intriguing to say the least. I'm even more interested where it will lead us.