@Heresy

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 13, 2003

I said:
"But, for a "black" person to go out and kill "white" people is racist. Because he is judging all people who appear white as those who have oppressed him."

Then you replied:
"THIS IS A BY PRODUCT OF RACISM!!!!! IF IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED IN TEH FIRST PLACE HE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS MENTALITY!!!"

But the fact remains that it is STILL racism, by-product or not...

This is like if you were to punch me in the face and then I was to punch you in the face. Except, I reasoned my way out of any accusation of violence by saying, "I was not violent. What I did was a by-product of violence." (LMAO)...

It is all violence just as it is all racism in your example of the black man who went out killing all the white people he saw due to his blind hate for people who shared the similarity of skin color with those who oppressed him.

Then you accuse me of trying to put the blame on the victim. If you are not dumb, then please don't play like you are...

Both the oppressors and the man who went out killing a people based purely on their skin color are, (in their act), RACIST.

Call it whatever you want. "By product"... Don't let this be your scapegoat from the obvious truth that there is no victim in this scenario. The victim in the beginning became the racist in the end. this "by product" is not justified. When anyone tries to justify it they are abiding under this racist thought. I have been saying this many times. Because they abide under this racist thought they do not transcend this perpetual battle of us versus them. Whether or not this applies to you is really not for me to say. But, due to your words about it being a "by product", it seems that you are attempting to find fault with the FACT that what this man did was just as RACIST as his oppressors. If you already understood this, you would not have attempted to induce a new argument by speaking contrary to the bottom-line reality of the whole situation. ITS ALL RACISM!

The Bo$$ Hogg · Mar 14, 2003

This dude is a Self Righteous ass hole who thinks everythang he knows is law, so I wouldn't even fucc wit em Cuz, cause he'll try 2 give U the run around with biased information, and spin up the ass.

HERESY · Mar 14, 2003

I DIDNT KNOW THIS THREAD EXISTED UNTIL I SAW THE IDIOT ABOVE ME MAKE A POST. HE CLAIMS I GIVE BIASED INFO YET HE HAS ADMITTED THAT HE DIDNT KNOW THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS. JUST CURIOUS HOW ARE YOU CAPABLE OF SAYING THE INFO IS BIASED OR NOT WHEN YOU HAVE NOT RESEARCHED IT? HOW HAVE GIVEN YOU TEH RUN AROUND WHEN I ANSWERED EVERYTHING YOU ASKED ME?

@916.

I HAVE NOT DISAGREED WITH THIS. I KNOW ITS STILL RACISM THATS WHY I TOLD YOU I DONT HOLD THAT VIEW.

WHAT IM SAYING IS ONE BAD APPLE SPOILS THE BUNCH. IF THE WHITE MAN HAD NOT MADE SLAVES OF AFRICANS AND DESTROYED THE NATIVES YOU WOULD NOT HAVE RACISM IN AMERICA. YOU PROBABLY WOULDNT HAVE AMERICA.

WHAT YOU DID WAS A BY PRODUCT OF VIOLENCE. YOU HITTING ME BACK IS A DIRECT RESULT OF ME SOCKING YOU IN THE EYE. YES YOU HAVE SHOWN VIOLENT BEHAVIOR....SOME WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE SIMPLY DEFENDED YOURSELF. IF I HAD ***NEVER*** HIT YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU WOULDNT HIT ME. IF I HAD NEVER MET YOU I WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE TO HIT YOU....

I AGREE BUT WHAT IM SAYING IS THE ***OPRESSION*** MADE HIM THAT WAY. IF HE DID NOT IDENTIFY ALL WHITE PEOPLE AS THE ONES WHO OPRESSED HIM HE WOULD NOT HATE.

THATS WHAT YOUR DOING. EVIDENCE OF THAT IS IN THIS THREAD.

GET BACK TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. WHICH IS OPRESSION (RACISM). IM NOT DENYING THAT THE ACT IS RACIST. WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT THE RACIST ACTS OF THE *SECOND* PARTY WOULD NEVER HAD HAPPENED IF CERTAIN ACTIONS WERE NOT DONE TO HIM....

I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIT BY *YOU* IF I DIDNT HIT YOU *FIRST*.

RACISM BREEDS RACISM......VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE....THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE THINGS OCCUR....

BOTH ARE VICTEMS BECAUSE BOTH ARE MADE IN TEH IMAGE OF GOD YET DESTROYING EACH OTHER. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A FORM OF RACISM BY SHIFTING THE RESPONSIBILTY OF THE OPRESSOR (THE ORIGINAL ONE) TO THE OPRESSED.

"But color cannot be "forgotten" until its weight is recognized and dealt with . . . "~ Stokely Carmichael

who said that it is justified?????

i agree.

ACCORDING TO MY OWN WORDS I HAVE SAID THAT I *DONT* FEEL THAT ITS RIGHT FOR HIM TO DO IT. PLEASE READ THE PASTS POSTS. I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT IT IS WRONG. I AM MAKING NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THOSE ACTIONS.

"racism is not primarily a problem of ''human relations" but of an exploitation maintained, either actively or through silence, by the society as a whole."~STOKELY CARMICHAEL

YOUR STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE I SAID THAT I DIDNT AGREE WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE SECOND PARTY.

IF YOU DONT SEE THIS AS A CAUSE AND REACTION.....WELL I DONT KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU....

WOULD NAT TURNER HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN PLACED IN THE SITUATION? IF HE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED DEGREDATION BY THE HANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE WOULD HE HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID? HIS ACTIONS ARE THE RESULT (BACKLASH/BY PRODUCT) OF HIS ENVIRONMENT AND TREATMENT.

ONCE AGAIN CERTAIN PEOPLE DONT SEE IT AS RACISM BECAUSE OF THE MENTALITY THAT THEY HAVE. THAT MENTALITY IS BROUGHT ON BY OPRESSION. YOU HAVE STRIPPED THE MAN OF DIGNITY,EXPLOITED HIS LABOR AND SEXUALITY,DESTROYED HIS FAMILY,WREAKED HIS HOME,STOLEN HIS LAND,ROBBED HIM OF HIS LANGUAGE,REMOVED HIS GOD AND REDUCED HIM TO A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF......

WHAT HE WILL DO IS LASH OUT AGAINST YOU AND ANYONE WHO RESEMBLES YOU......ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYONE WHO RESEMBLES YOU HAVE STEPPED ON HIM AND NEVER LENDED A HAND.......THIS IS WHY PARTY NUMBER TWO NOW HAS THE RACIST MENTALITY......

:h:

miggidy · Mar 14, 2003

N9ne,

He's talking about reverse racism.
It is as bad as racism, but it is a product of racism.
There is people out there who wouldn't be racist if they weren't oppressed by racism.

It's hard to understand,
the only way you can truly understand is if you've lived it.

It's a psychological deal, it really fucks with your head.

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

@Heresy & miggidy

quote:
"There is people out there who wouldn't be racist if they weren't oppressed by racism."

At the end of the day EVERYONE has to look in the mirror. You guys are speaking of a "he did it first" mentality. I remember this when I was much younger. Whenever my younger brother would hit me and I hit him back, I would get in trouble. Mainly for two reasons:
1. I was older so I was expected to lead the example.
and...
2. I am responsible for my actions. For me to justify my action as a "by product" of what my brother did is me attempting to escape from the responsiblity of my action. As long as I conceive of the situation as a "he did it first" thing, is as long as I bind myself, irresponsibly. For me to adhere to this is basically saying that my brother holds power over my actions. All he has to do is hit me, and I will respond in the same manner. There is no growth from this point. When you say that these people wouldnt be racist if they weren't oppressed, you are excusing them from the responsibility of their actions. You are stating that these oppressors continue to hold power over these "by products" because they still decide to live under this racist thought. Thus they remain dependent on the abuse of their oppressors, just as I remained dependent on the abuse of my brother to justify my actions of hitting him back. Once again... EVERYONE has to look in the mirror at the end of the day.

HERESY · Mar 15, 2003

YES. THEY HAVE TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. I HAVE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER. AFTER THEY DO THIS ACCEPT *RESPONSIBILITY* FOR ACTIONS OR WRONG DOINGS AND RECONCILE.

OK LET ME ASK YOU SEVERAL QUESTIONS. BASED ON YOUR STATEMENT. HERE IS WHAT YOU SAID:

1.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER GONE TO AFRICA AND CAPTURED AFRICANS TO BE USED AS PROPERTY/SLAVES WOULD YOU HAVE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN AMERICA?

2.IF EUROPEANS HAD *NEVER* WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WOULD YOU HAVE RACISM BETWEEN THE TWO?

IF YOUR BROTHER HAD NEVER HIT YOU THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR YOU TO TAKE RESPONISBILITY FOR *YOUR* ACTIONS BECAUSE IF HE NEVER HIT YOU YOUR ACTIONS WOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURED. DDINT YOU SAY IN ANOTHER THREAD THAT A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELF?????

YOUR BROTHER HIT YOU FIRST. DIDNT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF???? IN ANOTHER THREAD YOU SAID YOU DIDNT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH DEFENDING YOURSELF. I COULD SEE IF HE SOCKED YOU AND YOU HATCHED A PLOT TO BUST HIS NOSE WHILE YOUR DAD WAS ON VACATION.....THATS REVENGE....I DONT ADVOCATE THAT....

IN ANOTHER THREAD YOU SAID THAT YOU SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH A PERSON DEFENDING THEMSELF. SO IF A PERSON IS DEFENDING THEMSELF IS THAT ANOTHER PERSON HAVING POWER OVER THEM???

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHAT YOU TYPED IN THE OTHER THREAD?!?

SEE THE ABOVE.

WILL YOU PLEASE STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH,NOT READING THE POSTS AND JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!?! I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HIS ACTIONS AND THAT THEY ARE RACIST. I HAVE SAID THAT I DONT ENDORSE THESE ACTIONS AND THAT THEY ARE WRONG. I HAVE SAID THAT THE PERSON COMMITING THESE ACTIONS IS WRONG!!!!! I HAVE SAID THAT ***BOTH*** PARTIES ARE WRONG. THE ONE WHO INITIATED THE RACISM AND THE ONE WHO RETURNED *RACISM*. SO FAR THE ***ONLY*** BLAME YOU HAVE PLACED IS ON THE PERSON WHO ***RETURNED*** IT. WHY ARE YOU BLIND TO THE FACT THAT IF ONE PARTY HAD LOVED THE OTHER AND SHOWN RESPECT AND DIGNITY THEN THE OTHER PARTY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME???

READ YOUR OTHER POSTS.

IF THE ABUSE OF THE OPRESSOR WOULD STOP.OR IF IT HAD NEVER OCCURED IN THE FIRST PLACE THEY WOULD NOT BE DEPENDENT ON IT.

IN ANOTHER THREAD DIDNT YOU SAY YOU FELT THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES???

OK AND AT TEH END OF TEH DAY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. NOW ONCE AGAIN I ASK YOU THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.

1.who said that the "by product" was justified????? please quote that person.

2.you said the following

can you show me how i did this when i said over 15 times now that i DONT agree with the actions of party number 2 (the opressed turning into the opressor)

3.WOULD NAT TURNER HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN PLACED IN THE SITUATION? IF HE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED DEGREDATION BY THE HANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE WOULD HE HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID?

can you answer these questions please?????

:H:

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

quote:
"YES. THEY HAVE TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. I HAVE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER. AFTER THEY DO THIS ACCEPT *RESPONSIBILITY* FOR ACTIONS OR WRONG DOINGS AND RECONCILE."

Good. Now apply this to your "he did it first" concept.
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quote:
"1.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER GONE TO AFRICA AND CAPTURED AFRICANS TO BE USED AS PROPERTY/SLAVES WOULD YOU HAVE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN AMERICA?

2.IF EUROPEANS HAD *NEVER* WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WOULD YOU HAVE RACISM BETWEEN THE TWO?"

1. maybe
2. maybe

both of these questions are really an uncertainty. No one is going back in time. Plus, these are *NOT* the root of the problem. The root of the problem is racist thought conception. These physical acts which you mentioned are based in our ignorance of this racist thought conception. Aim the hose at the base to extinguish the fire. The thought behind the actions is what matters. Transcend this racist thought and there will be no more racist actions.
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"IF YOUR BROTHER HAD NEVER HIT YOU THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR YOU TO TAKE RESPONISBILITY FOR *YOUR* ACTIONS BECAUSE IF HE NEVER HIT YOU YOUR ACTIONS WOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURED. DDINT YOU SAY IN ANOTHER THREAD THAT A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELF?????"

Apply what I said above, to this. Also, me hitting my brother back is NOT defense. It IS revenge. To that degree I am only worried about my pride. My brother does NOT pose a threat to me in any way. I, personally, have not completely let go of my physical existence. And becasue of this, if my body is threatened by serious harm or death, I feel the right to defend myself.
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qoute:
"YOUR BROTHER HIT YOU FIRST. DIDNT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF???? IN ANOTHER THREAD YOU SAID YOU DIDNT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH DEFENDING YOURSELF. I COULD SEE IF HE SOCKED YOU AND YOU HATCHED A PLOT TO BUST HIS NOSE WHILE YOUR DAD WAS ON VACATION.....THATS REVENGE....I DONT ADVOCATE THAT...."

There was nothing to defend but my pride, (false ego). I wasn't threatened or really even hurt, physically. I felt the need for revenge because my PRIDE was hurt.
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quote:
"IN ANOTHER THREAD YOU SAID THAT YOU SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH A PERSON DEFENDING THEMSELF. SO IF A PERSON IS DEFENDING THEMSELF IS THAT ANOTHER PERSON HAVING POWER OVER THEM???"

If I am defending myself it is not for *PRIDE*. It is for my physical well being. If the people attempting to kill me, (lets say), succeed, no loss. But because I am still somewhat attached to my physical existence, I will come to its defense. And I do not fear dying or killing in my own defense. I know that death is not the end. At the same time this does not imply that I am looking for death or that I am justified to go out and kill people. If someone is trying to kill me, in the heat of the moment, me defending my physical existence is not that person's power residing over me. But, when a "black" man who has been oppressed by "white" people, goes out and just blindly kills other "white" people, he is being **controlled** by racist thought conception. If the man is being attacked right then, defense is justified. Him going out and killing "white" people is revenge. Me hitting my brother is revenge also because I am not threatened. If my brother was trying to kill me then I would be coming to my defense.
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"HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHAT YOU TYPED IN THE OTHER THREAD?!?"

No. I clarified it for you above.
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quote:
"WILL YOU PLEASE STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH,NOT READING THE POSTS AND JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!?! I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HIS ACTIONS AND THAT THEY ARE RACIST. I HAVE SAID THAT I DONT ENDORSE THESE ACTIONS AND THAT THEY ARE WRONG. I HAVE SAID THAT THE PERSON COMMITING THESE ACTIONS IS WRONG!!!!! I HAVE SAID THAT ***BOTH*** PARTIES ARE WRONG. THE ONE WHO INITIATED THE RACISM AND THE ONE WHO RETURNED *RACISM*. SO FAR THE ***ONLY*** BLAME YOU HAVE PLACED IS ON THE PERSON WHO ***RETURNED*** IT. WHY ARE YOU BLIND TO THE FACT THAT IF ONE PARTY HAD LOVED THE OTHER AND SHOWN RESPECT AND DIGNITY THEN THE OTHER PARTY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME???"

You still stress the "he did it first" mentality. The actions are not the root of the problem. The thought behind the actions are. I have already explained this... apply it!
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quote:
"IF THE ABUSE OF THE OPRESSOR WOULD STOP.OR IF IT HAD NEVER OCCURED IN THE FIRST PLACE THEY WOULD NOT BE DEPENDENT ON IT."

When I was much younger and my brother would hit me, I would hit him back. Then, when I got in trouble, my reasoning would be, "he hit me first!" This reasoning is childish. Plus, as I said above, the action is not the root of the problem. The thought conception IS the root of the problem. Heal the thoughts from ignorance and we won't have IGNORANCE manifested in our reality like "racism". We won't have threads entitled, "race war". Here's when you, Heresy, can apply your own phrases:
"your word condemns you"
You adhering to racist conception by making such a racist thread condemns you to racist thought. Which condemns you to experiencing racist acts. which condemns you to racist conception by making such a racist thread. Which condemns you to racist thought. Which condemns you to experiencing racist acts. Which condemns you to racist conception.... Do you see the cycle?!?
Transcend...
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"1.who said that the "by product" was justified????? please quote that person."

Why stress the concept of this "by product" if it does not justify anything?? The simple fact that you had to stress it portrays that you are attempting to completely shift the blame from the racist act of the "black" man killing "white" people. I understand that both the "white" oppressors and the "black" man had their moments of racist acts. They are both guilty of these acts. But, the problem is not solved with the "he did it first" mentality. With that mentality it becomes a never-ending cycle. The whole concept of "by product" contributed nothing to the conversation. So...
WHY DID YOU SAY IT?
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"can you show me how i did this when i said over 15 times now that i DONT agree with the actions of party number 2 (the opressed turning into the opressor)"

Then what was the point of the "by product" statement? Just to throw shit into the conversation?
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quote:
"3.WOULD NAT TURNER HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN PLACED IN THE SITUATION? IF HE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED DEGREDATION BY THE HANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE WOULD HE HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID?"

No, if he was not subject to racist thought conceptions he would not have killed according to the color of skin. But, he may have still killed people who appear "white". This question is an uncertainty. He who is "a product of his environment" is a slave. The ignorant remain to abide under these race conceptions while the wise transcend them. Thought is the root of the problem, not the actions. You can attempt to limit people's actions by taking away their freedoms. Or you can attempt to heal the thought processes behind such racist actions. If you attempt to put blame on people's actions without seeing the root of their thought, then the thought remains. And even though, for a time, the racist actions may be dormant... THE MIND STATE IS STILL THERE AND ALL ACTIONS, EVEN DONE WITH THE MENTALITY OF "ANTI-RACISM", ARE DONE IN *VAIN*.
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quote:
"can you answer these questions please?????"

Sure.

Hit The Blunt · Mar 15, 2003

n9newunsixx5150 said:

Actually don't you think it would be more accurately describe as him punching you and then you turning around a bunching someone who looked somewhat similar to him and then saying "I was not violent. What I did was a byproduct of violence."? The first scenario would only have applied to this if the racist guy killed a racist white person. Rather then what really happened which was the racist guy killing random white people.

HERESY · Mar 16, 2003

APPLY THAT TO NAT TURNER. IT WASNT FOR PRIDE.

BECAUSE I STRESS IT AN DMAKE IT A POINT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I ENDORSE IT OR BELIEVE ITS RIGHT. ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER THAT ITS NOT RIGHT. WHAT I AM TELLING *YOU* IS THAT THIS BY PRODUCT WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURED IF THE RACISM HAD NOT OCCURED.

PARTY #2 (THE OPRESSED TURN OPRESSOR) WOULD HAVE NO REASON AND NEED TO ATTACK PARTY #1 (THE ORIGINAL OPRESSER) IF PARTY #1 HAD LEFT HIM ALONE.

WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS ****WHY**** PARTY NUMBER TWO HAS THIS MENTALITY.

THAT IS 100% NONESENSE. THE ACTIONS ARE NOT THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM????? ARE YOU AN IDIOT???? WAIT DONT ANSWER THAT. LISTEN SHIT FOR BRAINS. YOU CAN HAVE A FUCKED UP THOUGHT ALL DAY LONG....HOWEVER IF YOU ACT OUT THOSE THOUGHTS AND ALLOW THOSE THOUGHTS TO BE MANIFEST THATS WERE SHIT GETS FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP ACTIONS AND FUCKED UP THINKING. ONE GROUP THINKS THEY ARE BETTER. THEY HAVE A SUPERIORITY COMPLEX SO THEY KILL,STEAL AND DESTROY. THE OTHER GROUP IS ON THE RECEIVING END AND THEY TAKE THE TREATMENT FOR ONLY SO LONG.....AFTER THAT THEY SNAP AND RETURN THE FAVOR IN VARIOUS WAYS.

CASE CLOSED.

:h:

PS I WILL NO LONGER TAKE PART IN THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU AND FOR FUTURE REFERENCES BE RESPECTFUL AND NOT MAKE THREADS DIRECTED AT ME. RESPECT MY WISHES PLAYBOY

miggidy · Mar 17, 2003

n9newunsixx5150 said:

@Heresy & miggidy

quote:
"There is people out there who wouldn't be racist if they weren't oppressed by racism."

At the end of the day EVERYONE has to look in the mirror. You guys are speaking of a "he did it first" mentality. I remember this when I was much younger. Whenever my younger brother would hit me and I hit him back, I would get in trouble. Mainly for two reasons:
1. I was older so I was expected to lead the example.
and...
2. I am responsible for my actions. For me to justify my action as a "by product" of what my brother did is me attempting to escape from the responsiblity of my action. As long as I conceive of the situation as a "he did it first" thing, is as long as I bind myself, irresponsibly. For me to adhere to this is basically saying that my brother holds power over my actions. All he has to do is hit me, and I will respond in the same manner. There is no growth from this point. When you say that these people wouldnt be racist if they weren't oppressed, you are excusing them from the responsibility of their actions. You are stating that these oppressors continue to hold power over these "by products" because they still decide to live under this racist thought. Thus they remain dependent on the abuse of their oppressors, just as I remained dependent on the abuse of my brother to justify my actions of hitting him back. Once again... EVERYONE has to look in the mirror at the end of the day.

I understand what you are saying bro.
I'm just telling you that there's a consequence for every action.
And the truth is that if your brother hadn't punched you in the face, you probably wouldn't have punched him back.
Both actions are not right, but you got a look at it realistically.

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 17, 2003

@Hit The Blunt

yeah, actually that would have been a better analogy. Nevertheless, even if I hit him back, instead of someone who looks like him, the point I was making is that his initial violence does not justify my revenge. But, yeah, it may have been better to do it the way you said...
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@miggidy

quote:
"I'm just telling you that there's a consequence for every action.
And the truth is that if your brother hadn't punched you in the face, you probably wouldn't have punched him back.
Both actions are not right, but you got a look at it realistically."

I completely understand you and agree. Every action has a reaction. But, that does not justify the oppressed becoming the oppressor. You have to ask yourself what reality is...
Is it reality that in every situation with every person, if they are hit, their reaction to that action will be to hit back? Is the reaction of hitting back, law? Of course not. So it does not justify anything. It also doesn't make any point that contributes to the thread. It is just random crap thrown out there. You can not say that it is the racist "white" people's fault for the "black" man's reaction, or "by product". Because to admit to this is to admit that the "black" man had no control over his blind hate. That he was controlled by the initial action of his "white" oppressors. This conception will only lead people into further bondage. When you point the finger, you are only taking responsibility and putting it on someone else. With power comes responsibility, just as with responsibility comes power. Therefore, this notion of "by product" is, in this example, taking away power from the "black" man by ridding him of responsibility.

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