heresy whut do you think of church and religion?

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HERESY

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hows it going man? i havent talked to you in a bit.

"religion"=tradition not very personal 100% fraud.

what it SHOULD be is a RELATIONSHIP with YOU and the CREATOR. what it SHOULD be is YOU helping out the poor,feeding teh poor,visting those sick,in prison and lending a hand to teh orphans and elderly......all with a CHEERFUL HEART.

"church"=apostate, group of liars and DECEIVED people.

what it SHOULD be is THE BODY OF CHRIST (spiritual body). a group of people doing what they SHOULD do.

heres religion and church at its finest:

a person attends a 501c3 church,listens to the music (gets brainwashed while listening), hears a preacher spend 30 minutes on why he or she should tithe, feels guilty and gives $100 thinking god will bless them,listens to the preacher lie about god and his life for another 30 minutes.


heres something BETTER to do with your time.

go and find the nearest bum. feed him and clothe him. uplift him and tell him of the things god did for you. GIVE to him and expect NOTHING in return.


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While people are spending all this money on brand new pews, gold flake carpets, big shandelears and flashy chior robes miliions of homeless children are starving. If I spend $100.00 on feeding a family of five is that the same thing as tithing? Can that be my way of tithing?
 
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word!! homie u got great points, but see the world is fucked up, ppl are liars cheater and they dont trust no one! nowadays ppl wouldnt take care of a homeless bum cuz they are scared. i would love to help, but i too am scared, i dont trust any1! but i hope this will change. and i think im gonna go start helping out more once i move back to chicago
 
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i see,

i don't know whut to think either?if it helps you be a better person example quit using drugs,smoking cigerrettes,drinking alcohol.gives you strengh through your problems.then thats good for them.

as far as

trying to tell everybody you know to go to church and do as they do.i disagree.why try to change sumone that does'nt want to change themselves.if sumone feels like in life they should turn to god let them do it on their terms.

but the things that turn me away from going to church are things like faith healers.

preaching like you have been saved and then turn around and judge the way you live.

thats wrong to me.

as you know i have been sick mentally.

you know whut my best friend told me?

he said you can cure all that with god.

if i tried to quit taking my medication and turn to god like my mom has tried to do (who is also sick with the same mental problems) i would be fucked right now hearing voices.

i tell him no i really need medication.

he thought i was trying to reach out to him to be changed by the way of the lord.

all i was saying was hey man i been through sum bad times in life lately cause you have'nt heard from me in a while.i was giving him the up and up on how i been doing.

i'm on medication now and i was in a fucked up situation.

he did'nt have nothing to say but you need god?

and do i hear from him while i recover?

sumtimes i think he is judging me.

and thats the worst thing to feel when you have walked in my shoes and am trying to get better from the voices that has critizised me and tormented me.

god might help you but god alone will not cure me.spritually maybe.

medicly no.

thats why i don't want to see his mom cause his mom will want me to go to their church with them as she's told me many times before.

church is church.

your beliefs in god and your personal relationship with him can be practiced anywhere.

my thoughts
 
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good ideals, Heresy....

There is someone I work with that believes that you must go to church in order to be saved. He supposedly backs his beliefs up with excerpts from the bible. I disagree, of course, and would lean more toward what you are saying. But, I probably wouldn't go as far as to say that religion and church are absolutely foolish or that they are a group of liars out to decieve. Thats just my opinion though.......
 
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Furio said:
word!! homie u got great points, but see the world is fucked up, ppl are liars cheater and they dont trust no one! nowadays ppl wouldnt take care of a homeless bum cuz they are scared. i would love to help, but i too am scared, i dont trust any1! but i hope this will change. and i think im gonna go start helping out more once i move back to chicago
Would you be scared to help an innocent baby or toddler who is homeless and has no food?
 
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Ya know I was 100% into church when I was 16. It only lasted 4 one year because I started seeing stuff that I didn't like.#1) Iam very talented & would make bible covers w/ matching fans & stuff & people would buy them from me. The church seen that I was making a pretty good profit from it & wanted me 2 make them & give them 2 the church so they could make money off of them.#2) The pastor had 2 saburbans, a cadillac, a mercedes benz, & a honda accord.....the church had torn down pews & needed new music equipment. #3) If u weren't wearing a $100.00 dollar outfit it was like u were not that cool. #4) It was like a fashion show everyone was trying 2 out due each others hair styles & clothes! #5) The pastor kept trying 2 force me 2 get the holy ghost & he said because I wasn't getting it & dancin around the church & falling on the floor like a nut, I was unpure! I had given up every sin u could think of......I went 2 work, chior practice, bible study, church itself & when I had free time my best friend & I would study the bible & go talk 2 other young people about GOD. But he still said I wasn't doing something right because I wasn't getting the holy ghost.....I'm "NOT" gonna run around the church & roll around on the ground in a dress for 1 & for 2 I'm not gonna put on a false show 4 anyone so basically I said forget this. I had given up rappin (which I love), rap music & everything that was worldly movies that were violent & so on. Some of the things the pastor was saying started 2 make little sense 2 me! I gave up on that mess! I did feel like he was trying 2 brain wash me. I dont go 2 church now but I have a really good relationship with God & I know I dont have 2 worry about a thing or go act like a fool in some church! I think as long as u have faith in God & beleive that Jesus came in the flesh & died 4 ur sins & u R out here helping people 2 the best of ur ability then I beleive that u R safe! We R all sinners & we will never stop sinning but if we R truly making an effort 2 try 2 stop & just beleive in God he will open ur eyes 4 u & help make it easy 4 u 2 stop sinning. *My Opinion*
 
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Earth is God's temple, I can pray anywhere and still be heard.

I agree that church is a group of deceived people, but I don't agree that church is a group of liars. The deceived don't exactly lie, they just don't know any better.
 
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forgive them for they know not what they do.....


in the end it is all out of ignorance that we do the "evil" that we do. If one was truly enlightened to the reality of good, one would not murder. One would not rape or steal or lie. Even when one thinks themselves to know the crime they are comitting, and says they understand it, they truly do not. If one did one wouldn't be doing it in the first place. Money is not an excuse, hate is definitely not an excuse and niether is pride. It is one's ignorance of him/herself and of God................
 
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Originally posted by Tooper as you know i have been sick mentally.

you know whut my best friend told me?

he said you can cure all that with god.

if i tried to quit taking my medication and turn to god like my mom has tried to do (who is also sick with the same mental problems) i would be fucked right now hearing voices.

i tell him no i really need medication.
Thank god you have a brain! Ya know, you and I have spoke on that lil bit right there (parinoia/schitz) And my moms is the one of the most religious people that I know of and she really beleived that god could cure her condition by not taking her meds...actually, that was her excuse, "I dont need those anymore, god has healed my condition"....


Originally posted by Tooper church is church.

your beliefs in god and your personal relationship with him can be practiced anywhere.
Church is not church....I mean, it is in a physical sense, but the church is not in the building, it's in the hearts of the true believers... when I was going through my trials and tribulations during my adolecent youth I hated church...After my mom started actin up, I avoided it all together...I tried to go to another church, but I got sick to my spirit and had to leave...
When I moved down south, attending church service was mandatory to live at grammaz house, so I had to go. Luckiliy the church I attend is Baptist...Every Sunday you will hear the message of the preacher talk about the death, burrial, and ressurection of the messiah and how important it is to do right and change your way of life before the end ((When it's my turn to go, I want to hear HIM say "servant, well done"...))
 
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good points everybody.

this is sumthing that i think about often because my best friend and i don't keep in touch like we used to.he is devout christian and believes he has been saved.

once he told me the precher touched him and gave him the holy ghost if i'm not mistaken.

he said he could'nt explain it and he just fell to the floor.

this is whut bothers me.if sumthing so powerfull comes over you from just a touch of a person how can you not explain it?

would'nt you wanna describe it to the best of your ability to make sumone believe?

i don't know i came to him in my need after i found out i was sick and all he can do or say is i need god.

then i don't hear from him.sumtimes i think he has told his mom whut i have been going through and she prolly told him to keep his distance from me.

i've done bad things but i have changed.i think thats enough.from going down to the bottom of the pit and turning your life around.

that takes strengh and i done it on my own.

i did'nt go to church to change my ways.

it bothers me cause none of my friends were there for me especially when i thought my best friend would.
 
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Also, I fell that it is important to tell your friends about how serious it is to believe in the messiah, for spiritual knowledge and eternal salvation is to be attained through it...
Let me tell you about my Potna Pete (rip)... he was my road dawg, we used to kick it, toke, drank, go fishing, just be down for whatever ya know? Whenever I would bring up religion, or anything about god or the messiah he would always hush me and be like "how are you gonna talk that ish when ya gotta blunt in ya mouth and a budweiser in ya hand? I know you HIGH!"
So I tried the sober approach, and got the same results...he wasnt tryin to hear it...and the day I heard he got killed (he was having an arguement with his girl, and she stabbed him in the neck with a kitchen knife, fatally wounding him).. I shaved my head (my hair were in twists that hung down to my chin at the time) and sat in utter disbelief...apart of me died that day, and I could hear Pete's voice in my ears, and he was talkin to me like he was standin next to me... he said thanx for being a real nigga..and I sat back with his first cousin and drank my sorrows away while we reminiced about the past when he was still alive.
But I have always felt guilty about the way he died and how I really never got the opportunity to tell him about god in the flesh, and how his omnipotence could save him from damnation and hell fire....
 
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^^^if thats for me thanks.i just keep running in circles cause it's hard to find sumone with the right words for whut i'm going through.i take it day by day but it gets lonely without the homies seeing how i'm doing.i forgive them for being busy with their own lives but how can you forget to call or invite your homie over?especially we been homies since the fourth grade?
 

HERESY

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^^^ thats true but in *some* cases the preachers know EXACTLY what they are doing. they are lying for the DEVIL. a lot of churches have devils and people who practice the occult in the pul pit and sitting with the deacons. be VERY cautious of WHO lays hands on you during church......

@lane
The pastor kept trying 2 force me 2 get the holy ghost & he said because I wasn't getting it & dancin around the church & falling on the floor like a nut, I was unpure!
ROFL! you have told me this b4 and once again im laughing.....

@furio its in your heart to do it. sometimes you will see a poor person and you WONT have money on you. at least you can look at that person and have compassion for him or her. if you dont trust or have a fear of helping a bum thats great. you can do other things. help out in a homeless shelter,be a mentor for kids in juvenile hall, help kids with homework at the library.

@tooper
i see, i don't know whut to think either?if it helps you be a better person example quit using drugs,smoking cigerrettes,drinking alcohol.gives you strengh through your problems.then thats good for them.
i agree.
as far as trying to tell everybody you know to go to church and do as they do.i disagree.why try to change sumone that does'nt want to change themselves.if sumone feels like in life they should turn to god let them do it on their terms.
i agree. the ONLY thing you are supposed to do is be a LIGHT to the world and preach the GOSPEL. the gospel has NOTHING to do with a person going to church on sunday. i will NEVER tell ANYONE to go to church.......EXCEPT when i tell someone to go to church and "DO IT FOR THE CAUSE".....when i tell them that they KNOW what it means.....it has NOTHING to do with listening to the preacher and feeling good for 2 hours. so if i tell someone somthing and they dont listen......its on them...

a soldier was posted on a tower with a bow 12 arrows and a horn. the horn was used to warn the village because barbarians planned to invade. the arrows were used to attack the invaders because he had the advantage of height. for 6 days straight the man sat at his post waiting for the invaders. finally on the 7th day the man left his post and went to his captain. he told the captain that for 6 days he waited but that the barbarians would never come.......the captain told him to go back to his post but the man refused......30 minutes later they hear screams,horses and arrows with fire flying at them....in 1 hour the village was slaughtered,the goods were spoiled and the women,children and men were taken away to be slaves.....

who is responsible for the village?
but the things that turn me away from going to church are things like faith healers. preaching like you have been saved and then turn around and judge the way you live.thats wrong to me.
in the end times many flase miracles will happen....by the same measure i judge you.....that is what will be used to judge ME. is it wrong to say "you are KILLING yourself by smoking crack you need to leave it alone for your sake and your families sake"? no its not. its wrong for me to tell you "your a no good crack smoker your going to hell".

is it wrong for me to tell you "porn is ruining your life" if i have videos of jeanna vine deep throating 4 guys? yes it is. my cup is dirty so how can i tell YOU to clean yours?
as you know i have been sick mentally.
yes. u told me.
you know whut my best friend told me? he said you can cure all that with god.
with your FAITH god CAN heal you.
if i tried to quit taking my medication and turn to god like my mom has tried to do (who is also sick with the same mental problems) i would be fucked right now hearing voices.
is this problem mental or is it "spiritual"???? if you quit taking meds and said im healed what do you think would happen?
all i was saying was hey man i been through sum bad times in life lately cause you have'nt heard from me in a while.i was giving him the up and up on how i been doing.
ok.
he did'nt have nothing to say but you need god?
we all need god but telling you that wont help you in your situation. he should be a FRIEND. he should encourage you,lift you up and PRAY for you.
god might help you but god alone will not cure me.spritually maybe. medicly no.
if god is god why cant he heal your body and mind? your FAITH will make you WHOLE.
your beliefs in god and your personal relationship with him can be practiced anywhere
100% TRUTH.

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PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS
 
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your right he should be a friend first and pray for me.your right he did actually pray for me but to follow up and be a friend thats where he fucked up.

about not taking my medicen and leaving it to god.

i won't dare risk it.

i've seen the results on my mom.
 
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And then on the flip side, I seen my potna BIG BABY burried in a casket dressed in a a creaced pair of Levi's and his duckhead polo shirt that he used to wear at least once a week (he had long braids that were all the way down his back too and when I saw him in the casket he had a bald head)...So you know I was really hurtin to watch his family and everybody I knew break down and cry...(yeah, I cried too...shed some tears ya know? no boo-hoo'n)

But I still go out and kick it in Evergreen wit my boy and pray every now and then. I did this year on the day he got killed, two years ago...just out of respect. He was young, he had just turned 18 and was about to graduate high school, he had him a job working as a caretaker for his first cousin who is quadropeligic.... we was talkin about going to school to be a nurse and all that...I just knew I would see that boy walk across the stage on graduation day...but naw, haters everywhere you go...he got killed by some stoopid clucked out fools that were tryin to rob his cousin (the quadropeligic) thinkin he had some dope and shot BIG BABY once in the neck, and twice in the chest...what did they get? nothing! Amerikkka won that day, they got riddah four niggaz; one dead, three awaiting the lethal injection/ the chair...
Oh, yeah! (Staying on topic...) BIG BABY and I used to kick it everyday after we got off the bus my senior year and kick it at his house on his front porch...we talked about everything...even religion...he told me about how he believed in god and prayed everynight before he went to sleep, but had never been baptised and didnt go to church much...and my first year out of high school I visited him and told him that I found ut that "HeyZues Kristos" was't the real name of the messiah, that it was just the Latin version used and made popular by the HRCatholic church... oddly enough he agreed,and told me himself that even though "jeezus kryst" wasnt the name of the true savior, that he still beleived that god walked this earth in the flesh and died for the sins of mankind that we may have the chance to gain eternal life...I was thinking the same thing before I found out the truth, but when he told me that I never thought that those words would be so golden to me the way that they are now, in that I can share his testimony and witness to others using his words...see they (words used in everyday conversations) mean alot more than you think, and he's dead now, so he knows the real truth and i am here choppin it up with ya'll....
I KNOW for a fact, in my heart, I am truely convinced that BIG BABY is in heaven, even though he was never christened, baptised, or attended church regularly...it was his faith that saved him, ya know?
 

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@Heresey

The Captain is responsible for the village. Instaed of yelling for 30 min at the dude he should of immediately told his village to prepare for battle and sent another watchman the instant he saw that the post was left unattended. Dude could of been reprimanded later. Shit, he was tired he should of had someone to relieve him in designated shifts. Even tho even that leaves a margin for error due to one man's ability to remember and pay attention to detail differs from the next. And if one dude saw that bush "A" was in the same place for 6 hours when the next dude comes around he might not notice if it moved or not when their backs were turned during shift change unless he was told. Or nowadays had a third dude review the video tape in fast forward time lapse to check for stuff like that..

The freakin invaders were waiting there the whole time laughin to themselves that watch dude hadn't slept for three days and tho they gave him credit for lastin 7 they knew he would either get bored or pissed from lack of sleep and want to find somebody to take his frustrations out on sooner or later.

@everyone

You are the temple of God. As long as your heart has some good in it you can get to Heaven. Compassion is always a good thing, but you don't help anybody out when you give everything you have away to devils posing as bums and end up yourself having to ask for things from these same devils cuz now you poor. One time I went to 7-Eleven and there was this bum dude in front of me counting out hella change to buy some stuff. He was short a quarter so I gave him one. He looked pretty damn homeless cuz I looked at his nails and they were all dirty and shit. But after I gave him the quarter he asked me if I wanted some of the turkey he just bought and I felt hella guilty cuz I borrowed 5 bucks off my friends girlfriend to buy a pack a cigarrettes and I was holding it in my pocket. And I was thinking to myself, "damn I need cigarrettes that freakin bad that I can't give this fool the 5 bucks for some food". Actually I thought that thought after I lit up my cigarrette in all out honesty I wanted stoges so bad that unless the bumdude would of broke down cryin cuz he was so hungry, I wasn't givin him shit. But when I got out of the store I gave him the rest of my change. And he said, "thanks", I think and, "now I'm broke", whatever that meant. I don't know what the point of that story was but umm.. don't start smokin that shit's evil.

I can't really speak on medication when I got mentally sic I went to a psychiatrist who all they do is prescribe drugs and a psychologist who don't believe in prescribing drugs. And to tell you the truth when I stopped going to people who constantly kept telling me I had a "problem" or "disorder" and was able to just get away from the drama and have some time to think for myself I got out of the "craziness" I was feeling, and that shit went waayyyy past hearin voices. Most of those voices you hear come from the people you are around anyway. Listen. I told the people of the siccness about it before awhile back I don't know if anybody remembers. God talks thru your conscience. Once you learn to decipher who's speakin thru force of will. It's easier to find direction and yourself. The trick is to know yourself and not let other people tell you who and what you are. You know what you do wrong and what you do right you just have to trust in yourself. People can decieve you into feeling guilty, especially if you have a kind heart. But you will learn from experience on how to tell the difference. Yeah it sucks but a hard lesson learned is a hard lesson to forget. Take care of your true friends, everything reveals itself in due time, if you stop lookin for what it is you seek then you never find it. With faith anything is possible. Nothing is above your Creator.

About that Holy Ghost thing. Back in the day I used to go to this church alot. I really liked the people there in the youth group I met. After going there for awhile they invited me to a "lock-in" an all-nite church thing where they bring people from other churches to come and talk and stuff. They turned off the lights in the church and the guest preacher dude started praying and going to all the kids saying "do you accept Jesus", and, "can you feel Jesus' presence" some of the kids started fallin to the ground and crying and shit saying, "yes. yes, I accept Jesus!" and me I just stood there and was thinkin to myself "man I don't feel nobody" and then I started cryin. Not because I could feel the presence of Jesus but because I felt like I was left out cuz I was the only one who who couldn't see this great thing. So I went to a corner where nobody could see me when they were all caught up in the madness of hypnotizing. And I started praying to God silently asking why I couldn't see this stuff. And I heard voices but it wasn't friendly ones that if I wasn't any smarter to not become hypnotized almost would of sounded like my own to an untrained ear. They were blaming me for all this stuff trying to make me angry at God for feeling alone. But it didn't work. Not til years later did I realize that God was was with me the whole time that's why I wasn't sucseptible to the possession. That's why I didn't feel any different. I just learned something new. Don't let that bastard ass preacher or any so called man of god EVER tell you that the reason you weren't hypnotized is because you are dirty. Feel lucky and blessed that you have a stronger will than that. On Earth in the flesh we are few. We stay here because we have chosen and are chosen to fight a war for the one true God. This Earth is the battlefield where that war will be fought. Keep your heart on a righteous path, and fear no man but God.


On a side note I ain't been around for awile cuz my computer got a virus or something and broke right after Thanksgiving vacation. But I'm at my sisters for the holidays so I'll have access to a computer until this Saturday. I freakin missed this placed I learn alot here. Yall are just all good to realtalk it up with.
If I never said thank yall for just being cool, I'm sayin it now.

-Ender

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