@ HERESY & D-Sane
- Thread starter Sick Wid It
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a long time ago before the siccness went down we had a topic but it went into the digi vs analog debate. from what i have learned in the past (the numbers may have changed) 85% of *professional masters* are taken from reel.
me personally i like the DIGITAL-ANALOG-DIGITAL process. yes you are changing media,yes tape saturation is harmonic distortion (from what i am told/read/heard), yes i can get a BETTER sound by using excellent clocks and converters.
this is a process that not to many people (especially here in the bay area) are doing.
both have advantages and disadvantages. you have to record both of them differently. im for using BOTH of them if possible.
if im not mistaking d-sane is an all digital head.
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ps please elaborate sick wid it. i could learn some game from a pro as yourself.
me personally i like the DIGITAL-ANALOG-DIGITAL process. yes you are changing media,yes tape saturation is harmonic distortion (from what i am told/read/heard), yes i can get a BETTER sound by using excellent clocks and converters.
this is a process that not to many people (especially here in the bay area) are doing.
both have advantages and disadvantages. you have to record both of them differently. im for using BOTH of them if possible.
if im not mistaking d-sane is an all digital head.
:H:
ps please elaborate sick wid it. i could learn some game from a pro as yourself.
Our only debate was (and this is purely from my experience) that people don't mix down to reel and take that to the mastering studio. From my experience.......they may record to reel.....maybe even mixdown to reel......but taking reels to a mastering studio?? I would think that they would transfer the mix to CD/digital files or some other form of data transfer (if you don't want to dither and bit depth is trying to be preserved?)....for the sake of convenience. My mastering guy (Master Works/Barry Corliss) doesn't master from reels.......and I don't know of any places that do. I'm sure they exist.....but I haven't seen them.
Basically.....I was saying that people don't master from reels.....they master from CD......since it's going to end up on CD anywayz. CD duplicators rarely accept analog tape anymore. Maybe the super duper big studio's do that shit.......but I must admit that I'm not familiar with all of their methods.
I mean.......check this scenario. Say I record my album on analog reels.......mix it down to reel again.......but instead of taking those reels to the mastering studio......why not record those songs digitally......creating 24-32 bit files......and then take that disc to the mastering studio? Isn't that what you do Heresy?
And yeah......I'm a digital head.
Basically.....I was saying that people don't master from reels.....they master from CD......since it's going to end up on CD anywayz. CD duplicators rarely accept analog tape anymore. Maybe the super duper big studio's do that shit.......but I must admit that I'm not familiar with all of their methods.
I mean.......check this scenario. Say I record my album on analog reels.......mix it down to reel again.......but instead of taking those reels to the mastering studio......why not record those songs digitally......creating 24-32 bit files......and then take that disc to the mastering studio? Isn't that what you do Heresy?
And yeah......I'm a digital head.
My opinion is this.... I think most people pretty much agree that analog recording gives the music a warmth that makes the sound unique. The audio information is blurred/smeared because using magnetism doesn't allow exact and precise movement. That's what gives analog stuff the 'warmth'. When digital recording first seriously hit the scene I wasn't trying to hear it. I more or less was like 'fuck that' because 1) I was used to doing things the traditional way and 2) because the technology hadn't really been explored yet. I wasn't THAT impressed. As the technology advanced and new things & ways of doing old things became possible, I became more open-minded about digital. The editing and processing advantages of digital versus analog are too ridiculous to even discuss. By comparison, analog just doesn't even exist in that arena. George Lucas said that the technology is so powerful now that basically anything he can imagine, he can do. The same applies to music. There are even algorithms out now that give that same warm feeling that analog recording does. Not perfectly but damn convincing. I honestly feel like analog is still around today less because of what it has to offer and more because of a combination of people being scared of change and feeling sentimental.
I feel that analog will always have its place in the same sense that there are still people who like to drive vintage cars. There still a reason to use it, if you choose to, but it's a technology that's gone the way of the dinosaur. If I had to choose one over the other, I would choose digital without any hesitation.
Hope that makes sense man... I've been up for a little while but I'm still not really awake yet.
I feel that analog will always have its place in the same sense that there are still people who like to drive vintage cars. There still a reason to use it, if you choose to, but it's a technology that's gone the way of the dinosaur. If I had to choose one over the other, I would choose digital without any hesitation.
Hope that makes sense man... I've been up for a little while but I'm still not really awake yet.
d-a-d=digital analog digital. basically i record the music in the DIGITAL realm. after that i MIX to ANALOG tape. from analog tape i go BACK to the DIGITAL world for more tweaking.if im going to MULTITRACK to tape it would be 24 track 2 inch tape but im not doing that. its too time consuming and gets REALLY expensive (reels are $150-175.)
when im finished with this album i will have 3 copies on dat and 3 on cd. it wont be MASTERED till the GLASS MASTER has been DESTROYED and EVERYTHING IS TO MY TASTE. yes it WILL go through the MASTERING process but until that GLASS MASTER is made and destroyed its nothing. yes it WILL go through the "mastering" process BEFORE the duplication plant.
my view on analog vs digital mixers is the same as tape and digital recordings. they each have a place in the world.
you have analog GHOST consoles that rival digital consoles in sound.
digital recording-->analog tape-->digital-->cd or dat--->mastering house--->dupilication plant--->creation of glass master--->glass master destroyed--->duplication--->1,000,000 units sold.
i have control over ALL of these aspects except for the units being sold (if i had a budget i would do it myself).
this album is going to be shopped and someone WILL snatch it up.
later
sorry for the tangent
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when im finished with this album i will have 3 copies on dat and 3 on cd. it wont be MASTERED till the GLASS MASTER has been DESTROYED and EVERYTHING IS TO MY TASTE. yes it WILL go through the MASTERING process but until that GLASS MASTER is made and destroyed its nothing. yes it WILL go through the "mastering" process BEFORE the duplication plant.
my view on analog vs digital mixers is the same as tape and digital recordings. they each have a place in the world.
you have analog GHOST consoles that rival digital consoles in sound.
digital recording-->analog tape-->digital-->cd or dat--->mastering house--->dupilication plant--->creation of glass master--->glass master destroyed--->duplication--->1,000,000 units sold.
i have control over ALL of these aspects except for the units being sold (if i had a budget i would do it myself).
this album is going to be shopped and someone WILL snatch it up.
later
sorry for the tangent
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