Have WHITES/EUROPEANS caused more problems than religion?
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Do you capitalize on your white privilege?
Many claim to be. "Oh I'm Irish" and "Oh my granparents are east german".
Not true, and some whites hate america.
Incorrect. And if I heard someone saying, "my forefathers moved to teh new world" I would walk away while they were talking.
Why can't I? People say it about blacks everyday. People say it about religion everyday.
Damn right the white man still needs to be blamed. Would there be as much fighting if they were not colonized and fucked off by the french? Would they commit mass murder if other countries would step in and help or if other countries stop manipulating them?
Do you capitalize on your white privilege?
Who said they were all white? And while it may be narrow minded to you, the claim actually has some validity to it.
Many claim to be. "Oh I'm Irish" and "Oh my granparents are east german".
Not true, and some whites hate america.
Incorrect. And if I heard someone saying, "my forefathers moved to teh new world" I would walk away while they were talking.
Why can't I? People say it about blacks everyday. People say it about religion everyday.
Damn right the white man still needs to be blamed. Would there be as much fighting if they were not colonized and fucked off by the french? Would they commit mass murder if other countries would step in and help or if other countries stop manipulating them?
Do you capitalize on your white privilege?
Who said they were all white? And while it may be narrow minded to you, the claim actually has some validity to it.
HERESY, you seem to be missing the point entirely. It does NOT matter if the majority of the people who are benefiting the most happen to be white or not, they are simply the people who are benefiting more than others at the moment. If China becomes a Capitalist superpower and America's economy collapses within the next 50 years, Chinese people will benefit the most from Capitalism, not white people. You will see the majority of billion and millionaires living in China, not America. You will see the Chinese invading third world countries to steal their natural resources, not America. It is not a system based on race, it is a system based on profit and exploitation. Racism and all that is simply a byproduct.
And electronically guided missiles can be traced back to a black man, what's that tell us?
When did I ever say it couldn't be traced to europe?
The Bourgeoisie.
Mostly white I'd imagine but refer above.
No I've always maintained capitalism is the root cause of the worlds problems.
In America we promote white culture (as well as black culture) but when speaking about Capitalism who most look at it globally, not simply America.
And electronically guided missiles can be traced back to a black man, what's that tell us?
When did I ever say it couldn't be traced to europe?
The Bourgeoisie.
Mostly white I'd imagine but refer above.
No I've always maintained capitalism is the root cause of the worlds problems.
In America we promote white culture (as well as black culture) but when speaking about Capitalism who most look at it globally, not simply America.
Again, I have always maintained that (organized) religion is used as a tool to control the masses. This is a problem but certainly not the source of the problem.
Mainly because the richest nations happen to be white (which will change eventually).
I never said capitalism doesn't benefit whites more than anyone else.
Mainly because the richest nations happen to be white (which will change eventually).
I never said capitalism doesn't benefit whites more than anyone else.
Yet you blame religion for many of the worlds problems. If you can do that, I can also blame whites/europeans and their promotion of eurocentrism as an even BIGGER problem. If you can focus on a dynamic ideology that can change overnight, why can't I focus on something static?
See above.
Refer to my first response in this post.
If generalization is not good why do you generalize? If what I am saying does not hold true for whites, why are several of the white people here trying to sweep things under the rug? YOU are white correct? If so, YOU are the beneficiary of this system. This system caters to YOUR needs and YOUR culture and NOT the needs of others.
It helps because it forces people to start looking at things outside of RELIGION and to stop blaming religion for every damn problem this world has ever experienced. It forces members of this board to stop bathing in a sea of hypocrisy and to address issues that have been presented before them. As far as change is concerned, that is up to the individual, and I have learned MANY years ago that it is not my job to change ANYONE except for myself. In addition, I have also learned that even if I COULD change someone, trying to change a white person in america is damn near impossible.
See above.
Refer to my first response in this post.
If generalization is not good why do you generalize? If what I am saying does not hold true for whites, why are several of the white people here trying to sweep things under the rug? YOU are white correct? If so, YOU are the beneficiary of this system. This system caters to YOUR needs and YOUR culture and NOT the needs of others.
It helps because it forces people to start looking at things outside of RELIGION and to stop blaming religion for every damn problem this world has ever experienced. It forces members of this board to stop bathing in a sea of hypocrisy and to address issues that have been presented before them. As far as change is concerned, that is up to the individual, and I have learned MANY years ago that it is not my job to change ANYONE except for myself. In addition, I have also learned that even if I COULD change someone, trying to change a white person in america is damn near impossible.
I can trufully (sp) say I am not. Weather or not you believe me is up to you since you cannot confirm this claim because you do not know me in person. But you can check that I have never once made even one remotely racist statement on this board.
Because you cannot generalize these statements, like you did in your orriginal post and keep going on about it.
Why walk away? Why not listen to what is on their mind? Seems like generalizing to me, also how can they help it that their forefathers moved to the new world? Just as much as you can held responsible for for being born as a black man in Amerika. You cannot choose the place you are being born, you cannot choose with what colour you are born with, and you cannot choose into which family you are born in, thus you cannot choose your herritage.
So instead of trying to make a change yourself you steep down to the level of every person who generalizes and go make generalizations of your own which lead to more problems and divedesness (I probably got that word wrong but I am reffering to devide) which eventually leeds to more hate and suffering
There was fighting in Africa before the white man even knew it existed, what do you want to say with this? The French, Germans, Belgiums, English, Italian and Dutch are LONG gone and instead of rebuilding their countries these Africans keep on killing their own while they could have rebuild their countries and try to make something beautifull.
Like I said, I am socialist, I am not capitalizing anything I have loads of friends who are Marrocan, African, Turkish, from the Antillies, Asian. I judge every person from the actions they take, not the colour of their skin or their herritage.
The claim would have had some validity to it, if you were not generalizing. But you did and therefore your claim is invalid and far from the truth. I know many white europeans who are socalist or communist and are just as responsible for the world problems as you are being a black American.
Because you cannot generalize these statements, like you did in your orriginal post and keep going on about it.
Why walk away? Why not listen to what is on their mind? Seems like generalizing to me, also how can they help it that their forefathers moved to the new world? Just as much as you can held responsible for for being born as a black man in Amerika. You cannot choose the place you are being born, you cannot choose with what colour you are born with, and you cannot choose into which family you are born in, thus you cannot choose your herritage.
So instead of trying to make a change yourself you steep down to the level of every person who generalizes and go make generalizations of your own which lead to more problems and divedesness (I probably got that word wrong but I am reffering to devide) which eventually leeds to more hate and suffering
There was fighting in Africa before the white man even knew it existed, what do you want to say with this? The French, Germans, Belgiums, English, Italian and Dutch are LONG gone and instead of rebuilding their countries these Africans keep on killing their own while they could have rebuild their countries and try to make something beautifull.
Like I said, I am socialist, I am not capitalizing anything I have loads of friends who are Marrocan, African, Turkish, from the Antillies, Asian. I judge every person from the actions they take, not the colour of their skin or their herritage.
The claim would have had some validity to it, if you were not generalizing. But you did and therefore your claim is invalid and far from the truth. I know many white europeans who are socalist or communist and are just as responsible for the world problems as you are being a black American.
This is why shifting or evading the blame doesn't work.. Say my dad illegally ripped someone off, gave the money to me, and died the next day. By law, when it all comes back around, I am obligated to pay this man or woman back(in full), regardless of whether or not I had anything to do with the wrongs of my father since I have directly reaped the benefits of my father's wrongdoing. This unfortunately applies to all white people who haven't been subjected to misfortune themselves or have reaped the benefits of this country as this country was built (in large part) by the blood and sweat of Africans and Native Americans under the hegemonic domination of whites. Religion and guns don't kill or enslave people, people kill and enslave people(in this case, white people).
I think white people have been more responsible for the wrongs in this world more so than religion or anything else for sure. First off, Im half white. I was born in Korea to a Korean and a GI that was stationed out there. Just looking at the Korean peninsula, we're divided at the 38th because some white soviets and white Americans decided it'd be a good idea to "share" my people's land. Then, South Korea's been occupied by American forces for over 54 years. Every year we hear about some girl getting raped, or murdered by white Americans. The split between the rich and the poor has become a serious issue in Korea ever since white folks occupied the peninsula. I know some white folk that are cool with me, and I don't think anything bad about them specific folk. However, I think that the white race has committed some horrible atrocities in the world.
Um, the difference is, you're related to your father. I have nothing to do with white people who enslaved people back in the day. Not one fucking drop of blood.
How can you even compare the two? I'm not taking the fall for some other human being just because they have the same skin color as me. Thats the exact same thing as these religious people saying "humanity owes Jesus for his salvation and for saving us from our sins".
Its equally as ridiculous.
How can you even compare the two? I'm not taking the fall for some other human being just because they have the same skin color as me. Thats the exact same thing as these religious people saying "humanity owes Jesus for his salvation and for saving us from our sins".
Its equally as ridiculous.
If you're not a descendant of those white people who participated in, or reaped the benefits of slavery and murder, then no one is talking to you.
If you're not a white American, whose lineage traces back to pre-abolition or prior to wounded knee, then why are you responding?
You're not making any sense and haven't even remotely considered what I was trying to convey. If you are the beneficiary of murder and years of free service in a capitalistic, caste-based society, then of course as long as those descendants of the said victims continue to show effects from their ancestor's disposition then conversely the descendants of the said oppressors and murderers are working with "blood money". Revenue has been funneled, and multiplied, and the see saw has never shifted. People are reaping the benefits of the past while others still suffer from it, wrongs haven't been righted, and guiltless, hypocritical whites try and shift responsibility by any means. These are the effects and/or residue of institutionalized white supremacy(conscious or sub-conscious)
Your way of thinking is what's ridiculous..
If you're not a white American, whose lineage traces back to pre-abolition or prior to wounded knee, then why are you responding?
You're not making any sense and haven't even remotely considered what I was trying to convey. If you are the beneficiary of murder and years of free service in a capitalistic, caste-based society, then of course as long as those descendants of the said victims continue to show effects from their ancestor's disposition then conversely the descendants of the said oppressors and murderers are working with "blood money". Revenue has been funneled, and multiplied, and the see saw has never shifted. People are reaping the benefits of the past while others still suffer from it, wrongs haven't been righted, and guiltless, hypocritical whites try and shift responsibility by any means. These are the effects and/or residue of institutionalized white supremacy(conscious or sub-conscious)
Your way of thinking is what's ridiculous..
You making racist statements has nothing to do with what I said. I am asking about white privilege and if you have ever used it to your advantage.
This has nothing to do with what you quoted.
Because I cue in on key/trigger words, and nine times out of ten when a person uses words like "forefathers" and "new world", the conversation is going to take a nose dive because the person usually ends up promoting heritage and wants to look important.
This convo is proof of what I am talking about.
Yes, these are all ascribed at birth and thanks for the Intro to Sociology review. You are failing to grasp the dynamics of what you are saying. In THIS world you are still HELD RESPONSIBLE or EXPECTED TO BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY if you're born in a certain place, with a certain skin tone, with a certain heritage. This expectation comes from status quo or whoever has a need to protect their interest. What you are failing to grasp is when you are born with white skin and blue eyes, born with a silver spoon in your mouth and born into a prestigious family, you already have an ADVANTAGE over ANYONE else in this world. In this world, whites are the measuring stick, and people around the globe aspire to actually be white or be like whites.
Now you can say, "but whites aren't the only ones born with silver spoons in their mouths", and thats true. However, when a black man is born with a silver spoon in his mouth guess what many whites will view him as? A rich NIGGER or an UPITTY NIGGER who doesn't "know his place". In addition, that black man may also suffer ridicule from the black race and get called TOM or SELL OUT. Now you'll probably say, "but all whites aren't born with silver spoons many are broke", and again this would be true. However, they don't suffer as much rejection from their peers as blacks do. Moreover, white poverty is NOT promoted or shoved down our throats like MINORITY poverty is, and this plays a CRUCIAL role in the perceptions of others who are non-white and non-black.
Why not stoop down to their level? If a person does not want to reason and understand logic, you have to go another route. This thread is a PRIME EXAMPLE of that. You have people blaming religion, which is usually INHERITED and part of a persons heritage or culture, for the problems of the world, YET THESE SAME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO ADDRESS THE HERITAGE OR CULTURE OF THOSE WHO ADHERE TO RELIGION NOR DO THESE PEOPLE WANT TO ADMIT THAT IF RELIGION DOES CAUSES PROBLEMS, THE MAJORITY OF PERPETRATORS ARE WHITE.
What do I want to say to this? I want to openly mock you and call you all sorts of names for being absurd, but I'm going to remain civil. Yes, there were wars in Afrika before the white man even knew it existed, but did you have wars were entire civilizations/cultures/tribes were wiped out with no trace of them ever existing?
Here's a list of seven recent wars in Afrika, and if you can find seven wars in Afrika from the earlist date listed in this link that are equal or EXCEED these numbers and have NO white influence, I'll entertain your thought.
http://worldnews.about.com/od/africa/tp/africacivilwar.htm
Now I want you to answer a question: How can you rebuild a country when your infrastructure is broken and you no longer have the ability to obtain the resources on your own land?
You are WHITE first. When people see you they DON'T see a "socialist". In this society you are respected and accepted more than others because of EUROCENTRISM and its influence.
This statement is inadequate and does not deserve an in depth response from me.
This has nothing to do with what you quoted.
Because I cue in on key/trigger words, and nine times out of ten when a person uses words like "forefathers" and "new world", the conversation is going to take a nose dive because the person usually ends up promoting heritage and wants to look important.
This convo is proof of what I am talking about.
Yes, these are all ascribed at birth and thanks for the Intro to Sociology review. You are failing to grasp the dynamics of what you are saying. In THIS world you are still HELD RESPONSIBLE or EXPECTED TO BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY if you're born in a certain place, with a certain skin tone, with a certain heritage. This expectation comes from status quo or whoever has a need to protect their interest. What you are failing to grasp is when you are born with white skin and blue eyes, born with a silver spoon in your mouth and born into a prestigious family, you already have an ADVANTAGE over ANYONE else in this world. In this world, whites are the measuring stick, and people around the globe aspire to actually be white or be like whites.
Now you can say, "but whites aren't the only ones born with silver spoons in their mouths", and thats true. However, when a black man is born with a silver spoon in his mouth guess what many whites will view him as? A rich NIGGER or an UPITTY NIGGER who doesn't "know his place". In addition, that black man may also suffer ridicule from the black race and get called TOM or SELL OUT. Now you'll probably say, "but all whites aren't born with silver spoons many are broke", and again this would be true. However, they don't suffer as much rejection from their peers as blacks do. Moreover, white poverty is NOT promoted or shoved down our throats like MINORITY poverty is, and this plays a CRUCIAL role in the perceptions of others who are non-white and non-black.
Why not stoop down to their level? If a person does not want to reason and understand logic, you have to go another route. This thread is a PRIME EXAMPLE of that. You have people blaming religion, which is usually INHERITED and part of a persons heritage or culture, for the problems of the world, YET THESE SAME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO ADDRESS THE HERITAGE OR CULTURE OF THOSE WHO ADHERE TO RELIGION NOR DO THESE PEOPLE WANT TO ADMIT THAT IF RELIGION DOES CAUSES PROBLEMS, THE MAJORITY OF PERPETRATORS ARE WHITE.
What do I want to say to this? I want to openly mock you and call you all sorts of names for being absurd, but I'm going to remain civil. Yes, there were wars in Afrika before the white man even knew it existed, but did you have wars were entire civilizations/cultures/tribes were wiped out with no trace of them ever existing?
Here's a list of seven recent wars in Afrika, and if you can find seven wars in Afrika from the earlist date listed in this link that are equal or EXCEED these numbers and have NO white influence, I'll entertain your thought.
http://worldnews.about.com/od/africa/tp/africacivilwar.htm
Now I want you to answer a question: How can you rebuild a country when your infrastructure is broken and you no longer have the ability to obtain the resources on your own land?
You are WHITE first. When people see you they DON'T see a "socialist". In this society you are respected and accepted more than others because of EUROCENTRISM and its influence.
This statement is inadequate and does not deserve an in depth response from me.
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Again, ANYTHING can be used as a tool to control the masses. In fact, why don't we address how WHITE EDUCATION and EUROCENTRISM controls the masses? Why don't we address how the MEDIA controls the masses? I do NOT understand why several of you are hell bent on focusing on the problems that religion has caused, yet you are failing to address the problems eurocentrism presents to the world (especially minorities in america.)
The richest nations just don't happen to be white. Rich nations don't come about like the big bang, and unless you are "the jews" no god is going to part the clouds and say, "Thou art rich."
Maybe I missed the part where you said it does. :dead:
No YOU are missing the point entirely and it DOES matter if the majority benefiting the most are white. It matters because these people will CONTINUE to protect the "white interest" and "white values" no matter what it takes. These people have an INFLUENCE on the world regardless if you want to accept the fact that EUROCENTRISM is directly linked to the current mode/model of capitalism.
Yet the chinese will still be influenced by european values or customs in some shape, form or fashion.
See above.
IF it is a byproduct, it is a byproduct you and others do NOT want to address. BTW, the current form of capitalism is a system based on race. How many european countries are currently being exploited for resources by the governments of europe, north america or the world bank and fema? Not many. How many minority countries are being exploited by these same individuals? :dead:
And the patent rights can be traced to whites. What does THAT tell us?
You never said it could be traced to europe.
From what you yourself have posted the majority of rich are white/european. Also, if we look at the top ten economies of the world, the majority will be white/european, and if we look at the richest people in america the majority will be white/european.
You imagine? After you post info where the majority of rich people listed were white/european you imagine?
Not always. I'm sure if I wasted a day playing detective I could dig up at least one thread where you blamed religion for the problems of the world.
This is BULLSHIT and YOU know it. In america WHITE culture is promoted and ACCEPTED while black culture is marketed and REJECTED as a social norm. The black "culture" that is promoted today what does it consist of? Does it consist of exploitation, gold teeth, naked women, big cars, ebonics, drugs, guns, prison stripes and idiocy? Or does the black "culture" promoted in america primarily consist of going to a HBC, owning a business, owning a home, surviving against the odds/overcoming the struggle, providing for your family and keeping your head on straight?
You tell us which one is promoted in america. :dead:
Again, ANYTHING can be used as a tool to control the masses. In fact, why don't we address how WHITE EDUCATION and EUROCENTRISM controls the masses? Why don't we address how the MEDIA controls the masses? I do NOT understand why several of you are hell bent on focusing on the problems that religion has caused, yet you are failing to address the problems eurocentrism presents to the world (especially minorities in america.)
The richest nations just don't happen to be white. Rich nations don't come about like the big bang, and unless you are "the jews" no god is going to part the clouds and say, "Thou art rich."
Maybe I missed the part where you said it does. :dead:
No YOU are missing the point entirely and it DOES matter if the majority benefiting the most are white. It matters because these people will CONTINUE to protect the "white interest" and "white values" no matter what it takes. These people have an INFLUENCE on the world regardless if you want to accept the fact that EUROCENTRISM is directly linked to the current mode/model of capitalism.
Yet the chinese will still be influenced by european values or customs in some shape, form or fashion.
See above.
IF it is a byproduct, it is a byproduct you and others do NOT want to address. BTW, the current form of capitalism is a system based on race. How many european countries are currently being exploited for resources by the governments of europe, north america or the world bank and fema? Not many. How many minority countries are being exploited by these same individuals? :dead:
And the patent rights can be traced to whites. What does THAT tell us?
You never said it could be traced to europe.
From what you yourself have posted the majority of rich are white/european. Also, if we look at the top ten economies of the world, the majority will be white/european, and if we look at the richest people in america the majority will be white/european.
You imagine? After you post info where the majority of rich people listed were white/european you imagine?
Not always. I'm sure if I wasted a day playing detective I could dig up at least one thread where you blamed religion for the problems of the world.
This is BULLSHIT and YOU know it. In america WHITE culture is promoted and ACCEPTED while black culture is marketed and REJECTED as a social norm. The black "culture" that is promoted today what does it consist of? Does it consist of exploitation, gold teeth, naked women, big cars, ebonics, drugs, guns, prison stripes and idiocy? Or does the black "culture" promoted in america primarily consist of going to a HBC, owning a business, owning a home, surviving against the odds/overcoming the struggle, providing for your family and keeping your head on straight?
You tell us which one is promoted in america. :dead:
