Have WHITES/EUROPEANS caused more problems than religion?
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I believe you.
Who does the system benefit the most? Whites/europeans. If a person can say, "religion is the problem", and blame it for all the social ills and woes since the dawn of man, it is only logical to look past that dynamic and study the people who used religion as a weapon or control mechanism.
If "Rome" were situated in Afrika, the influence would most likely be european or maybe a mixture of both.
Who does the system benefit the most? Whites/europeans. If a person can say, "religion is the problem", and blame it for all the social ills and woes since the dawn of man, it is only logical to look past that dynamic and study the people who used religion as a weapon or control mechanism.
If "Rome" were situated in Afrika, the influence would most likely be european or maybe a mixture of both.
Capitalism is designed to benefit the whites/europeans and to protect their interest. Other people have simply been able to adapt/adjust and play the game. Again, when you post up links about the wealth of this country and how it is distributed, you know damn well the majority of the wealth isn't controlled by minorities or people of color.
Who does capitalism benefit the most?
Who does capitalism benefit the most?
If a person says "religion is the source of the worlds problems" and "is the source for all social ills" or anything along those lines, I would disagree with them, which I have before on this site. If a person simply says "religion is a problem" then I would agree, although it also depends on the context of course.
Sure you have.
Of course you would.
Again, who benefits the most?
Also, many of you seemed to have overlooked the word EUROCENTRISM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocentrism
How can a person deny the problems this ideology/system has caused yet focus on religion?
Of course you would.
Again, who benefits the most?
Also, many of you seemed to have overlooked the word EUROCENTRISM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocentrism
How can a person deny the problems this ideology/system has caused yet focus on religion?
Ok sorry homie but where do you stand on this subject.
Instead of quoting me and asking me questions, tell me where you stand.
Althought I can take a hypothesis, I would rather you explain your position.
You are right, my question is irrelevant. But I asked it only because I knew you would ask me something abuot the United States.
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No, capitalism is simply an economic system that places the majority of the wealth into the hands of the ruling elite (the rich). It doesn't matter if the person is white/black/yellow, etc.
In any "white country" the same white people are being exploited by the very same system. Capitalism can only survive by the exploitation of the worker. This is true for any non-white country where a small percentage are exploiting the majority (like Mexico, India, etc.).
Damn right it isn't, but then again it isn't being distributed to the majority of white people either.
When less than 1% control more than 80% of the worlds total wealth, it isn't about race anymore even if the majority of that 1% are white because white people are still being exploited and pushed into poverty by the very same system.
Just as the late Malcolm X understood that racism was a product of capitalism and the true issue was not a race issue but a class issue and poor white people are in the same boat as poor black people.
The rich.
In any "white country" the same white people are being exploited by the very same system. Capitalism can only survive by the exploitation of the worker. This is true for any non-white country where a small percentage are exploiting the majority (like Mexico, India, etc.).
Damn right it isn't, but then again it isn't being distributed to the majority of white people either.
When less than 1% control more than 80% of the worlds total wealth, it isn't about race anymore even if the majority of that 1% are white because white people are still being exploited and pushed into poverty by the very same system.
Just as the late Malcolm X understood that racism was a product of capitalism and the true issue was not a race issue but a class issue and poor white people are in the same boat as poor black people.
The rich.
I am the only white european posting in this thread so far and from what I can say how have I been a direct link to any of the problems you have? Or the world has?
I think we can all agree that capitalists in America are the main reason for most problems today. How many white Americans are in touch with their European roots today? From what I understand is that every white American is damn proud to be an American. And if they are not they do not go around saying "Actually I am European, but my forefathers moved to the new world so many generations ago" It does not work that way.
You cannot say that ALL (white) Europeans are the cause of most problems in the world today.
What if you would live in an area in Africa that is torn up between the hooties and tooties, you would still blame a white man for all the killing and raping going on, even when there is not a white(european) for miles in the area. While they instead of helping eachother out to make their continent a better place to live they turn on eachother and kill their fellow (black)men.
Yes I am white
Yes I am European
I am not religious
I am not a capitalist, infact I am a socialist and not in anyway responsible for any of the world problems today, not more responsible then you as a matter of fact because we both consume and with most things we consume there is extortion involved one way or another (here, in America or another continent), this is also why I choose to be socialist and carefully think about stuff I buy before I do.
Stating that white are the cause of most problems today is really narrow minded, I believe the most problems of today are caused by the rich upper capitalist class, and believe it or not they are not all white!
I think we can all agree that capitalists in America are the main reason for most problems today. How many white Americans are in touch with their European roots today? From what I understand is that every white American is damn proud to be an American. And if they are not they do not go around saying "Actually I am European, but my forefathers moved to the new world so many generations ago" It does not work that way.
You cannot say that ALL (white) Europeans are the cause of most problems in the world today.
What if you would live in an area in Africa that is torn up between the hooties and tooties, you would still blame a white man for all the killing and raping going on, even when there is not a white(european) for miles in the area. While they instead of helping eachother out to make their continent a better place to live they turn on eachother and kill their fellow (black)men.
Yes I am white
Yes I am European
I am not religious
I am not a capitalist, infact I am a socialist and not in anyway responsible for any of the world problems today, not more responsible then you as a matter of fact because we both consume and with most things we consume there is extortion involved one way or another (here, in America or another continent), this is also why I choose to be socialist and carefully think about stuff I buy before I do.
Stating that white are the cause of most problems today is really narrow minded, I believe the most problems of today are caused by the rich upper capitalist class, and believe it or not they are not all white!
Do I hate prancing around wearing gold teeth while Afrikans are dying? You bet. Do I hate shooting another black man over red or blue? You bet. Do I hate not taking advantage of a college education? You bet. Do I hate blacks being passive? You bet. No, I don't hate black people, but I will use any slur or epithet when it is time to do so. Has the black community lynched me for it? HELL NO! I still get calls from people inviting me on, and I still get people on the streets who commend me and ask me for more information. What I have said in the past, and what I am saying now is NO DIFFERENT from anything DuBois, Garvey, Brown or X said. People like you would WANT me to NOT say such things because you want blacks to still be offended by those words. And lets say for arguments sake that I did hate my race, what does that say about white people and teh mental damage they have done to others? Wouldn't they be the cause of my problem?
And if race is a social construct (there is debate if this is true) who are the ones who benefit from this social construct the most?
WHITES/EUROPEANS.
And if race is a social construct (there is debate if this is true) who are the ones who benefit from this social construct the most?
WHITES/EUROPEANS.
I have always maintained that (organized) religion is used as a tool to control the masses. This is a problem but certainly not the source of the problem.
The ruling elite (the rich). If you're asking about here in America, most likely white people. If in India, Indian people, if in Asia, Asian people, etc., etc., etc.
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Again, I never claimed religion was the source of our problems, I simply said capitalism has caused more damage then religion/white people.
The ruling elite (the rich). If you're asking about here in America, most likely white people. If in India, Indian people, if in Asia, Asian people, etc., etc., etc.
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Again, I never claimed religion was the source of our problems, I simply said capitalism has caused more damage then religion/white people.
Modern day capitalism can be traced to europe. Your god Karl Marx knew this, and why you seek to deny this is beyond me. Who are the ruling elite? Are the majority of these people WHITE/EUROPEAN or are they minorities? You are always talking about america does this, america does that, yet when someone points out the roots of america or other post industrialized nations that spread imperialism you want to link it to something else.
Yet in THIS country and MANY countries where white people are being exploited, the whites who are being exploited STILL make more than there counterparts. Whites STILL have an advantage in the system because regardless of what YOU or ANYONE says, this system is designed to promote WHITE culture and WHITE values.
When it is distributed who is it mostly going to and at what price?
Yet the system is designed to help them even though they may be experiencing hardships.
No, poor whites are not in the same boat as poor blacks. WHITE RACIAL PRIVILEGE is NOT dead in this country.
The majority who happen to be white/european.
The whole problem imo is that you're generalizing an entire race to a huge extent, and what you're saying is absolutely untrue and almost backwards towards 80-90%+ of the white population as a whole. Yes, the rich do fall into the category, and yes, the politically-powered fall into the category (and most happen to be white). But that doesn't mean you can still point the finger at an entire race and say "you" are the cause for what's happening in the political and social world. I mean, you can, but obviously that's the kind of mind state that has plagued the history of our race in the first place. Generalization is never good and none of what has been said holds true for many white people, including myself and others in this thread.
It just seems like an absolutely useless argument that will spawn no change no matter what you successfully "prove" about it. If you disagree I'd like to hear how any of this conversation helps anything.
It just seems like an absolutely useless argument that will spawn no change no matter what you successfully "prove" about it. If you disagree I'd like to hear how any of this conversation helps anything.