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28g w/o the bag

28g w/o the bag

politically incorrect
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HERESY said:
From here on out I will NOT reply to ANYONE on this board unless they understand the BASICS of the english language. You can make typos, but if you can't construct a sentence, or I have to call a translator to clarify your gibberish it is a no go.

Please people, R-E-A-D and do it S---L---O---W---L---Y. HA HA HA! SWOOOSH!!!!!!!!!! That was a superbly fired round from my trusty keyboard.
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haha it never ends

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Rasan

Rasan

Producer
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Eunuch said:
but it sure does make time pass
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and thats all it does really.
we should educating one another not belittling each other
I understand why atheists are atheists
I understand some aspects of the muslim faith. catholicism
I would like to be enlightened on buddhisim for example
Do i think my religion is better? no. is mine right, and yours wrong? no.
 
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ThaG

Sicc OG
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Jun 30, 2005
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reply to whatever you want, I don't care much

back to the "contributions of relgion" and "the evil that science did":

Prayers Don't Help Heart Surgery Patients; Some Fare Worse When Prayed For

Science Daily — Many - if not most people - believe that prayer will help you through a medical crisis such as heart bypass surgery. If a large group of people outside yourself, your family, and your friends joined in intercessory prayer, that should be even more helpful, so such reasoning goes.

Researchers have been trying to prove this and even to measure the effect. So far, two studies found that third-party prayers bestow benefits, but two others concluded that there are no benefits. Now, the largest study to date, covering 1,800 people who underwent coronary bypass surgery at six different hospitals, supported the latter research.

Not only that, but patients who knew that others were praying for them fared worse than those who did not receive such spiritual support, or who did but were not aware of it.

Those who conducted the study are quick to say that its results do not challenge the existence of God. Also, it did not try to address such religious questions as the efficacy of one form of prayer over others, whether God answers intercessory prayers, or whether prayers from one religious group work better than prayers from another, according to the Rev. Dean Marek, a chaplain at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.

Other researchers in the study, who include investigators from Harvard Medical School, Harvard-affiliated Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Mind/Body Medical Institute, agree. Also involved were teams from medical institutions in Oklahoma City, Washington, D.C., Memphis, and Rochester, Minn.

"The primary goal of the study was limited to evaluating whether intercessory prayer or the knowledge of receiving it would influence recovery after bypass surgery," notes Jeffery Dusek, an instructor in medicine at Harvard Medical School. The evaluation found that third-party prayer has no effect at all on recovery from surgery without complications, and that patients who knew they were receiving prayer fared worse that those who were not prayed for.

STEP up to pray

Known as STEP (Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer), it investigated patients undergoing coronary artery bypass surgery, who include 350,000 people in the United States and 800,000 people worldwide each year. Patients of any or no religious faith were eligible to participate. Among those chosen were Catholics, Jews, Protestants, and people of no faith.

The 1,802 participants were divided into three groups of about 600 each, with a mean age of about 64 years. One group received no prayers. A second group received prayers after being told that they may or may not be prayed for. The third group was informed that others would pray for them for 14 days starting on the night before their surgery.

The prayers came from three Christian groups, two Catholic, and one Protestant. The investigators report that, "We were unable to locate other Christian, Jewish, or non-Christian [groups] that could receive the daily prayer list required for the study." Such lists provided the first name and last initial of the patients.

The intercessors said a standard prayer "for successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications." This system provides a practical way to conduct the experiment, but limits the results to one type of prayer.

There were all kinds of complications from the surgeries, including 197 cardiac complications for the group who knew they were receiving prayers versus 187 and 158 in the other two groups. These and other complications occurred in 59 percent of those who were prayed for, compared to 51 percent of those who received no prayers, and 52 percent in the group who received prayers but didn't know it.

Deaths during the 30 days after surgery were similar across groups, 13 and 16 in the prayed-for, 14 in the no-pray group.

The big unanswered question is why there was an excess of complications in patients who knew all those people were praying for them. The researchers admit they have "no clear explanation." To find out, they say, "will require additional study."

The STEP study was paid for by the John Templeton Foundation, an organization that supports research on the boundary between science and religion. Medical centers that participated, in addition to Harvard Medical School and its two affiliates, were Baptist Memorial Health Care in Memphis, which supported the research done at its site, Intergris Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City, the Mayo Clinic, and the Washington Hospital Center in Washington, D.C. A detailed report appears in the April 4 issue of the American Heart Journal. The lead author is Herbert Benson of the Mind/Body Medical Institute and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Harvard University.
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ThaG

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The question is:

Would we ever have antibiotics, vaccines, modern surgery, cancer therapies (even as inefficient as they are today) without science?

Will we ever find cures for Alzheimer, cancer, AIDS, diabetes; the list goes on, if we suddenly decide science is useless?
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ThaG

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ThatBoyJd said:
i dont know who hersey is but GO HERSEY! N Stockton.
BUt really, just leave the site huh, well i guess he did to write what he psted here. N what he posted made sense.
If a christian post something he's ramming it down people's throught, an athiest though can post whatever he or she wants with no1 sayin nething, n why becuase religion is always being crammed on people. Okay, but the same ideas of pushing religion in that sense is what is being dine today w/ athiest ideals.
Hypocrites are all bad. No matter if they are a christian, atheist, other; itz bullshit
n itz bullshit to ride some1 for supportin someone esle if they feel the same n their ideas are totally off-base or misled like if they were pushin some kkk shit or likegod supports bush or the war in iraq or that that if ur a christian ur an idot.
1 more thang since many catholics seem not to realize this but cathloics are christians so those talkin shit about christians talkin shit about u too
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for the n-teenth time:

nobody is insulting his "atheistic ideals" on anyone

the are no "atheistic ideals", there is only one objective truth about the world and it is certain that is not the truth of Catholics, Muslims, Buddhist, Jews, Hindus, mormons, etc.

the way to discover the "objective truth" is to use the scientific method

anybody who thinks his religion has more to say about the world than the scientific method can reveal, is a moron, whose mindstate is comparable to the mindstate of a 10-year-old - the point in their life when most kids do not believe in fairy tales anymore
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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I AM said:
Just so you can see the other side of this...that is something that TADOU would say to you and I when we don't like how this country is being run...same difference...
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My only point is that no one is being imprisoned by a internet message board. There are literally 1,000's of other message boards on the web. Why whine and complain about it? Just say your piece and bounce.

I understand that Heresy believes he is smarter than everyone here. Maybe he has outgrown this message board and needs smarter people to banter with. Whatever the case, we all have options. To sit and compain is a lame one.

It is what it is.
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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May 9, 2002
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STOCKTONE said:
Oh Yeah, then know how to spell know. For reals you know more shit then I do? White Devil was right, just another one of those White Kids, that wants to be part of the urban world. Stick to the suburbs, viejo, you might get an ouchie. Un-subscribe now.

LMAO! Close, but not quite. haha
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Youre listening to WHITE DEVIL? Jesus, your dumber than everyone on here. That dude has been on this board for many moons, and has had many user names and has also embarrassed himself time and time again. If you would have been here longer, you would know that. No one takes him serioulsy or even pays that much attention to him. He is like the town drunk that mutters shit that makes no sense, and smells like cat piss and stale bong water from 1984.

The funny thing is, i AM in the urban world. I wasnt born in Bellevue, Kirkland, Everett, or Kent. I was born in Seattle...Swedish Hosptial, which is located on First Hill, just east of Downtown Seattle. We lived on Capital Hill at the time, which is also east of donwtown and south of First Hill. Ihave lilved in the Southend, the Central District, West Seattle and the Northend, which is where I currently reside.

I cant believe I stooped so low as to even entertaining anything you have said to me, but im at work bored so I figured ive give it a whirl.

The fact of the matter is junior, anyone can be anyone they would like the Internet. You can say whatever you want, with nothing but blind facts. Its terrific. The difference between you and I, is I have met people on this board. I have an exsistance outside of this. You, to me, are just a screen name. I dont know you from a can of oil, and I really dont give 2 shits. WD, Heresy, you....cna really honestly kiss my white, hariy ass. I come here for entertainment purposes and beyond that, its all pointless, meaningless banter that leads to nothing.

So go ahead there slick, say what you would like...I DONT CARE. If you think im some suburban kid, then so be it. I can change your mind and i dont care to.

It is what it is. Deal with it.
 
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