GOM = One of the most hypocritical boards in the HISTORY of the world wide web.

[ThaG]

a bunch of BS

I realize I'm making a crucial mistake in arguing with you - it is not me who have to prove anything, the debate is science vs religion and how the latter is totally out of place in today's world

I will never deny that bad things have been done using the tools science developed; what I told you in the very begining is that it is not scientists who want these weapons, neither they use them; of course, there are a lot of people who will use their knowledge and abilities to create somethign destructive, if being paid or forced to do so

the real question over which we debate is whether their is a God or not, and as it is getting increasingly clearer and cleare there is no such thing all your claims are just sinking

my mistake is that I'm letting you speculate on morality and humanity, things that don't matter at all for me, because I've realized how empty of content these words are

 

[ThaG]

left and right.. will you guys ever agree.. some scientists do real good shit for us.. for you.. the question is, who funds scientists?.. and what is the basis of "there" agenda.. get high.

:hurt:

very good question

just think about how much money go for various religious organizations, how much money are wasted on faith based programs aimed at educating young people in chritian morality

and what is not only pissing me off, but is also where things get really scary - most of the money that go for AIDS prevention in Africa go for programs aiming at promoting abstinention... are you kidding me?

should we even mention the war in Iraq and the 500 billions sunk in it, well enough to find an alternaitve energy source if given for research...

 

[HERESY]

without the scientists in Nazi Germany we would have never know even a fraction of what we know today about the human brain nor would we have such good anatomy books

of course, they went a little bit too far, but they made contributions and advancements that would have never been possible in the fake-moral society we live in today

Read your words in bold. You just MURDERED your ENTIRE argument about science not being misused. Thanks for playing, now let me rub more salt in your wounds.

as far as they did it for the advancement of science, I support them 100%, there are certain experiments that should be made, no matter the cost

Like experimenting on babies? You just murdered yourself again you hypocrite, and you are proving me correct once again (refer to my description of you in another thread.)

in fact, 100 years from now, we will probably still be wondering how the human brain works, because of the lack of good model organism to study it (obviously, there is only one species that's suitable and we're limited in what we can do with it) and we'll still hear "arguments" about how unexplainable the human mind is and how this proves the existence of God when we could learn so much more if just some of the so called "ethical" obstacles were removed

This guy is a mad scientist people. I can picture him right now in his grandmothers basement sporting a pair of goggles, plastic white coat, painters suit, a pair of latex gloves with a hole in the thumb, and tinkering with his Home Shopping Network chemistry set and "experimenting" on insects and mice.

as far as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study is concerned - it would have never been possible if it wasn't for racism, and do not pretend racism and christianity are not historically related because they clearly are

And there is no racism in science? LMAO! Son, by all means CONTINUE to make a mockery of all that is good, and continue to make a mockery of science. Continue to spin the bottle and make an excuse as to why the harmful things that have been done in the name of science really aren't harmful at all.

it wasn't the Bible but it if there were no bibles and qu'rans there would be no crusades and no jihads

And if there were no weapons developed by scientists Iraq probably wouldn't have an insane death toll.

what we're concerned about is that milions of people have died and will die in the future because of wars driven by superstition and myths which is just ridiculous

What war within the last 100 years was created by superstition and myths?

most scientists spend their whole day in labs or on their desks performing experiments and thinking I don't see how they cause any trouble by doing so

Stupidity at its finest! More reading. Less responding.

they do not kill, steal or rape, much less doing so based on religious faith

Sure they do buddy. Many of them in certain fields do all of the above, and they do it "in the name of science." And if given the chance to do more they will do much more, and you even allude to this when you speak of "ethical barriers" and how they are a hinderance.

BTW stop throwing your "morality" in the face of people, morality doesn't mean shit; only real "morals" we have are those that evolved in us as part of the social altruism we have developed; this doesn't mean they're a law or anything, we as a species should be able to adapt to the envrionment, which we're increasingly less able to do

Actually, you hypocrite,YOU are the one throwing morality around every single time you talk about the ills of religion and how it is bad bad bad! BTW, what is this social altruism that you speak of? Has the scientific community created one? See, you and many of your cohorts, speak as if science has done no wrong, and when these wrongs are presented, you squirm like a worm in the sun, and find some crazy reason as to why things are not so. You live in denial, bud.

just because your fairy tales book tell you you should do something doesn't mean you really have to, especially when your book is just what it is - a collection of absurdic fairy tales

you're not a kid anymore, it's time to stop believing in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy

Yet you HATE something that you yourself claims doesn't exist and isn't real. That speaks VOLUMES about your sanity junior.

you're not a kid anymore, it's time to stop believing in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy

SEE ABOVE.

religion has not made any contributions to humanity to start with

Please elaborate. What do you mean by religion has not made any contributions to start with?

these are great contributions, no sane person can deny that

But you have denied them, so it is safe to say you are not sane. :dead:

group homes, adoption shelters, bla-bla - are you kidding me?

see above. This guy stays blowing his head off.

first think about why we need these things, then talk nonsense

WTF? Think about why we need them then talk nonsense?

From here on out I will NOT reply to ANYONE on this board unless they understand the BASICS of the english language. You can make typos, but if you can't construct a sentence, or I have to call a translator to clarify your gibberish it is a no go. :ermm:

I showed you a study where they clearly inversely correlated the quality of living in a given country with the number of religious people in it

But MEXCOM destroyed it. You don't need me to address it when he already handed your ass to you.

 

[ThaG]

Like experimenting on babies? You just murdered yourself again you hypocrite, and you are proving me correct once again (refer to my description of you in another thread.)

why not?

This guy is a mad scientist people. I can picture him right now in his grandmothers basement sporting a pair of goggles, plastic white coat, painters suit, a pair of latex gloves with a hole in the thumb, and tinkering with his Home Shopping Network chemistry set and "experimenting" on insects and mice.

thanks for the compliment, but I'm a few years past this phase (and I've never even done qhat you describe)

And there is no racism in science? LMAO! Son, by all means CONTINUE to make a mockery of all that is good, and continue to make a mockery of science. Continue to spin the bottle and make an excuse as to why the harmful things that have been done in the name of science really aren't harmful at all.

where do you see racism in science besides not having many black faculty in leading universities (which is racism, but not scienific one)

I am a biologist and I claim to know evolutionary theory better than you and there is not even a hint of racism in it, quite the opposite

where do you get these claims from?

And if there were no weapons developed by scientists Iraq probably wouldn't have an insane death toll.[/qiote]

swords and knifes weren't invented by scientists but they're still kill well

What war within the last 100 years was created by superstition and myths?

are you kidding me?

I guess you've missed what's going on in the Middle East for the last 50 years and that's just an example

Stupidity at its finest! More reading. Less responding.



Sure they do buddy. Many of them in certain fields do all of the above, and they do it "in the name of science." And if given the chance to do more they will do much more, and you even allude to this when you speak of "ethical barriers" and how they are a hinderance.

I'll quote the scientific principle for the n-teenth time:

obervations => hypothesis => experiment testing the hypothesis or evidence supporitng it => conclusions

you're jumping right to the conclusions skipping the first steps

that's what I call bad science

next time you talk shit, make sure you have evidence to support it

Actually, you hypocrite,YOU are the one throwing morality around every single time you talk about the ills of religion and how it is bad bad bad! BTW, what is this social altruism that you speak of? Has the scientific community created one? See, you and many of your cohorts, speak as if science has done no wrong, and when these wrongs are presented, you squirm like a worm in the sun, and find some crazy reason as to why things are not so. You live in denial, bud.

the only reason we're speaking about the evil religion does is becuase we've lost any hope that your limited brainwashed minds will be able to understand scientific theories crushing all the ridiculous claims in your holly books

we can talk a lot about evolution, quantum mechanics, string theory, moleular biology, but you will not be able to listen

so we're forced to speak in your language, as uncomfortable as it might be

the only evil science has done to you is totally crushing all the myths your religion has imposed on you from the day of your birth and I'm sure you feel very bad about it, thus the bitterness in your attacks towards science

Yet you HATE something that you yourself claims doesn't exist and isn't real. That speaks VOLUMES about your sanity junior.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg

watch carefully

 

[HERESY]

From here on out I will NOT reply to ANYONE on this board unless they understand the BASICS of the english language. You can make typos, but if you can't construct a sentence, or I have to call a translator to clarify your gibberish it is a no go.

 

[ThaG]

But MEXCOM destroyed it. You don't need me to address it when he already handed your ass to you.

that's what MEXCOM posted:

And this proves what? That the people that inhabit these countries are somehow better than those who inhabit countries that are more religious? Or that because they are not blinded by religion these countries are somehow more advanced and illuminated? LOL!

Did you forget who these countries are?

France? Sweden? Germany? Australia? Canada?

Let's take Australias for instance since they probably have the 2nd best level of living in the world.

Their terror laws passed in 2005 are probably just as oppressive, if not more, than those of the United States. The White English Aussies still harbor racism towards other [Asians, Muslims, Blacks]. Or their treatment of the Natives that inhabited the country before the white "settlers."

Or how about another of those countries. Let's choose an easy one, let's do France. I like France. They really don't like the United States.

France. Didn't they sell weapons to Iraq, to China, to Isreal, to Mexico?

Didn't they just experience a few riots due to their largely anti-Muslim sentiments? Isn't France one of the worlds largest powers in the world? Yet they have nuclear missles. Doesn't France pride themselves on being a cilivized country and one of the few countries that upholds democracy? Well then why did they basically fund a terrorist state by aiding Eyadema?

Same goes for "Theistic" countries. Two of the richest in the world: Mexico and the US. Those are the 1st and 4th who produce more billionares than anywhere else in the world. Yet one of them has one of the highest levels of living and the other has only a rich and a lower class, no middle.

But at the very least your point doesn't seem to prove anything either way. So why waste our times by pointing that out? Did it actually have some sourt of revelance? I mean I *know* you weren't trying to prove to HERESY that these countries are actually advantaged because they have less believers, did you?

I'll leave it for you to find how and where he "destroyed" the results from the study

he also says Mexico is among the richest countires in the world which I guess is a santimental claim, but santimental or not, I hear it for the first time

the number of billionaires doesn't prove anything, it only shows how big the separation between rich and poor is, which was not a good thing last time I chekced

1 Luxembourg 80,288
2 Norway 64,193
3 Iceland 52,764
4 Switzerland 50,532
5 Ireland 48,604
6 Denmark 47,984
7 Qatar 43,110
8 United States 42,000
9 Sweden 39,694
10 Netherlands 38,618
11 Finland 37,504
12 Austria 37,117
13 United Kingdom 37,023
14 Japan 35,757
15 Belgium 35,712
16 Canada 35,133
17 Australia 34,740
18 France 33,918
19 Germany 33,854
20 Italy 30,200
21 United Arab Emirates 27,700
22 Spain 27,226
23 Singapore 26,836
24 New Zealand 26,464
25 Kuwait 26,020
26 Brunei 25,754
27 Hong Kong 25,493
28 Greece 20,327
29 Cyprus 20,214
30 Israel 19,248
31 Bahrain 18,403
32 The Bahamas 18,062
33 Portugal 17,456
34 Netherlands Antilles, Netherlands 17,270
35 Slovenia 16,986
36 South Korea 16,308
37 Republic of China (Taiwan) 15,203
38 Malta 13,803
39 Saudi Arabia 13,410
40 Oman 12,664
41 Trinidad and Tobago 12,625
42 Czech Republic 12,152
43 Barbados 11,088
44 Saint Kitts and Nevis 10,895
45 Hungary 10,814
46 Antigua and Barbuda 10,727
47 Estonia 9,727
48 Slovakia 8,775
49 Croatia 8,675
50 Seychelles 8,556
51 Poland 7,946
52 Lithuania 7,446
53 Mexico 7,298

Mexico is the 53rd richest country in the world based on GDP per capita....

who's in the top 10:

only three "religious" countries: Ireland, Qatar and USA....

 

[I AM]

And if we follow your logic those who do not agree with america should also "leave."

I was thinking the same thing when Stockton replied to him with, "why don't you leave?"

Maybe you all should just quit bitching about shit that can't be proven one way or another...and discuss things that actually matter, like what's going on in the world...not what happens when you die...worry about that when you DIE!

 

[HERESY]

@ I am, but that is the problem bro. These things (science, religion, etc) ARE contributors to the problems in the world. Unlike others I actually look forward to death because for me, it is THE coup de grâce, and for the most part what is going on here is what matters the most (which is what certain forms of judaism teaches.)

 

[HERESY]

From here on out I will NOT reply to ANYONE on this board unless they understand the BASICS of the english language. You can make typos, but if you can't construct a sentence, or I have to call a translator to clarify your gibberish it is a no go.

period

 

[Hemp]

im not looking for a reply heresy so dont hate on the grammar.
what i wanted to point out is that science is the study of the "natural" world.
meaning its the study of all things that the world provides accoridng to our ability to work with.
so science may find destructive facts out, but its not science thats at fault but instead the certain individuals who use the knowledge attained by science for their own negative intentions.

science wouldnt be science if it couldnt study all things.

now the same sort of goes for religion as religion in itself isnt the blame for all the good or bad things, but its about the decision of those who decide to use their religion for the good or bad


my 2 cents

 

[HERESY]

im not looking for a reply heresy so dont hate on the grammar.
what i wanted to point out is that science is the study of the "natural" world.
meaning its the study of all things that the world provides accoridng to our ability to work with.
so science may find destructive facts out, but its not science thats at fault but instead the certain individuals who use the knowledge attained by science for their own negative intentions.

science wouldnt be science if it couldnt study all things.

now the same sort of goes for religion as religion in itself isnt the blame for all the good or bad things, but its about the decision of those who decide to use their religion for the good or bad


my 2 cents

I talk to you outside of the siccness, so you're the only exception.

 

[HERESY]

And hemp thats the only thing I am trying to drive home. The descisions that people make cause the good and bad in both situations. No one is more "holier" or "moral" than the other, and I never attempted to make that argument. However, if you leave it up to others they will make it seem as if science/scientists are incapable of creating problems and not having a solution.

 

[ThaG]

And hemp thats the only thing I am trying to drive home. The descisions that people make cause the good and bad in both situations. No one is more "holier" or "moral" than the other, and I never attempted to make that argument. However, if you leave it up to others they will make it seem as if science/scientists are incapable of creating problems and not having a solution.

the grammar master demonstrates his proficiency in spelling...

 

[I AM]

@ I am, but that is the problem bro. These things (science, religion, etc) ARE contributors to the problems in the world. Unlike others I actually look forward to death because for me, it is THE coup de grâce, and for the most part what is going on here is what matters the most (which is what certain forms of judaism teaches.)

Yeah, I understand this, but what I'm saying is that people need to look past these issues otherwise there won't be a world to get pissed off about. People life way too seriously. The invention of currency is part of the problem in my opinion, and gov't (in most forms, but not all)...but that's just my personal opinion...

I don't have a problem with death, even if I'm not doing to some "heaven" like place.

I just think that people should look at the real issues, and negotiate shit...but everyone wants to take shit over and have everything.....things don't work like that....

 

[I AM]

Then leave.

Just so you can see the other side of this...that is something that TADOU would say to you and I when we don't like how this country is being run...same difference...

 

[HERESY]

From here on out I will NOT reply to ANYONE on this board unless they understand the BASICS of the english language. You can make typos, but if you can't construct a sentence, or I have to call a translator to clarify your gibberish it is a no go.

Please people, R-E-A-D and do it S---L---O---W---L---Y. HA HA HA! SWOOOSH!!!!!!!!!! That was a superbly fired round from my trusty keyboard.

 

[HERESY]

Yeah, I understand this, but what I'm saying is that people need to look past these issues otherwise there won't be a world to get pissed off about. People life way too seriously. The invention of currency is part of the problem in my opinion, and gov't (in most forms, but not all)...but that's just my personal opinion...

I don't have a problem with death, even if I'm not doing to some "heaven" like place.

I just think that people should look at the real issues, and negotiate shit...but everyone wants to take shit over and have everything.....things don't work like that....

Emphasis mine. I need to go, when I thouchdown again I'm gonna comment on that.

 

[Eunuch]

your mother wears army boots!!!!!

 

[Rasan]

My stance on this board and life is: you do what you do, and i do what I do. Just don't disrespect or mock what I believe in. carry on.

 

[Eunuch]

My stance on this board and life is: you do what you do, and i do what I do. Just don't disrespect or mock what I believe in. carry on.

but it sure does make time pass