God through Reason#1

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This is Sheikh Wahiduddin from God Arises. I will continue with more excerpts.

God through Reason#1

Today, the understanding of reality is through observation and experiment, but since religious beliefs concern the supernatural sphere of existence, they are thus considered unverifiable. Arguments in their favor are based entirely on assumption and inference: this being so, they are declared to have no acceptable scientific basis. Arguments against religion are there because the claims of religion are unfounded as they are neither based on any valid argument, nor scientifically demonstrable; religion belongs strictly to the domain of faith, and reality is considered verifiable.

But this case against religion has itself no basis in fact. It should not be forgotten that the modern method of reasoning does not insist that only those things which can come under direct observation have a real existence. A scientific supposition which is based on direct observation can also be as much a fact as the result of scientific experiment.

For instance, the electron is unobservable. It is so tiny that neither can a microscope show it, nor a weighing scale weigh it. Yet, in the world of science, the existence of electron is considered a reality. This is because although an electron itself is not visible, some of its effects repeatedly come within our experience, and no explanation can be found for them other than the existence of a system like that of the electron. The electron is a supposition, but since the basis of this supposition is indirect observation, science must concede that it exists.

Science does not, and can not claim that reality is limited only to what enters directly into our experience through the senses. We can see with our own eyes that water is liquid, but the fact that each molecule of water consists of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen is something which escapes us, because these atoms are not visible. The way to arrive at this conclusion is by inference. For instance, we apprehend water by direct perception of its appearance. But it is only by INFERENCE, and not by direct observation that I can grasp the fact that each molecule of water is composed of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen.

From the above discussion, it becomes quite clear that it is not proper to regard religion, on the one hand, as being based on faith in the unseen, and treat science, on the other hand, as being based on observation. It must be admitted that science just like religion, is ultimately a matter of having faith in the unseen.

An atom provides an irrefutable example of scientists’ faith in the unseen. An atom has never physically been observed. Yet it is the greatest established truth accepted by modern science. A scholar has rightly defined scientific theories as ‘mental pictures that explain known laws.’ In the field of science, the notion of so-called ‘observed’ facts are not so in the strictest sense of the word: they are simply interpretations of certain observations.
(Our observations of nature are used to derive conclusions.) The greatest evidence of God before us is His creation. (We INFER from the superb organization and the very existence of the universe that there has to be a creator just as a scientist infers from certain observations that there are atoms.)
 

Hutch

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SheikhOnDeRun, can't you see the difference between belief in the one true God and belief in the atom? I can point it out to you if you want, have a good think about it first though.

BTW Godzilla, what the hell is that picture? Looks like a mouldy rasberry or something.
 
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Hutch said:
BTW Godzilla, what the hell is that picture? Looks like a mouldy rasberry or something.
A field ion microscope (FIM) image of a very sharp tungsten needle. The small round features are individual atoms. The lighter colored elongated features are traces captured as atoms moved during the imaging process (approximately 1 second).

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Hemp

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just something i found, judge for yourself:

In The God Code, Gregg Braden explains a remarkable discovery linking the biblical alphabets of Hebrew and Arabic to modern chemistry. He reveals that a lost code - a translatable alphabet - and a clue to the mystery of our origins, has lived within us all along. Applying this discovery to the language of life, the familiar elements of hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon that form our DNA may now be replaced with key letters of the ancient languages. In doing so, the code of all life is transformed into the words of a timeless message. Translated, the message reveals that the precise letters of God’s ancient name are encoded as the genetic information in every cell, of every life. The message reads: ‘God/Eternal within the body.’ Besides explaining how this stunning conclusion was reached, Gregg Braden explores its far-reaching implications for our own inner lives, and for world peace.
 
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|GOD|||ZILLA| said:
A field ion microscope (FIM) image of a very sharp tungsten needle. The small round features are individual atoms. The lighter colored elongated features are traces captured as atoms moved during the imaging process (approximately 1 second).

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Please show your source.
 

TROLL

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ouuucch

but me personally im beginning to be intrested in the theories that we were spawned as a result of what ever cataclysim claimed the life of the dinosaurz, asteroid/meteor.. albiet purposefully by another more advanced lifeform or by chance....

i also believe that the tales and myths of dragons were the remaining dinosaurz who were shelterd in "lairz"/cavez and cavernz from the massive event..
 

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TROLL said:
but me personally im beginning to be intrested in the theories that we were spawned as a result of what ever cataclysim claimed the life of the dinosaurz, asteroid/meteor.. albiet purposefully by another more advanced lifeform or by chance....
In a sense, yes. I also believe that we developed as a result of the cataclysmic event which claimed the lives of the dinosaurs. However, the actual event probably didn't do anything to us. The death of the dinosaurs simply opened up another niche which evolution filled - by us.

TROLL said:
i also believe that the tales and myths of dragons were the remaining dinosaurz who were shelterd in "lairz"/cavez and cavernz from the massive event..
Interesting theory, could well be true. The sheer amount of time between the death of the dinosaurs and the appearance of humans makes it unlikely though - but again, who knows. It's more conceivable that people in medieval times found the fossils of long dead dinosaurs and dragon legends were born from these.