God - All knowing, All powerful, All loving.

Mac Jesus · Jan 8, 2006

I've been thinking about the whole concept of God the past little while and started reading up on Christianity.

According to Christians, God is an all knowing, all powerful being who loves us all. If God is all knowing and all powerful doesn't he then have the power to stop people from having to struggle to eat, cure cancer, aids, ect. well if so then what happened to the love? Anyone who has the power to do all these things and doesn't obviously doesn't have that strong of a love for humanity.

I've also been wondering about God sending his only son Jesus Christ to come and die for our sins. If Jesus came to die for us, yet we have to accept him into our heart in order to get into heaven wouldn't he of wanted everyone to know about him? Well then why didn't Jesus in his lifetime go to North America/South America. All I've ever read Jesus never came this way and the whole concept of Jesus didn't arrive to the native americans untill thousands of years after Jesus died. If we need to accept Jesus into our hearts in order to get into heaven does this mean that all the natives who died before the white man came to teach them about Jesus are now in Hell?

CannibalCrow · Jan 8, 2006

I remember asking that question a years ago in my friend's youth group. I was told that every person has been given the choice of accepting Christ, but they choose whether or not to at that time. I asked about other countries, and they told me that God presented himself to them and they turned Him down. It doesn't make much sense to me. I asked about what happened before the missionaries, and they told me that missionaries have been all over since it all began, but that people didn't want to listen. I asked about countries the missionaries didn't have access to, and they told me that God would have presented Himself there but was denied. Of course, this was also coming from a youth group leader ( an older pastor at that particular church ) and even at the age of fifteen I wasn't buying it. I suggested that God showed himself through different faces for everyone. I said that maybe God had thousands of faces and that it was general idea that was right. The "Be Nice to your Fellow Man" rule was the main point. I was told I was wrong. So I don't know.

I am not religious, but if I entertained the thought of being so I would not want to imagine that God created us and then had a big free-for-all going on down here. Like winding up a bunch of toy cars and letting them spin out of control and into each other for your own amusement.

I AM · Jan 8, 2006

LOL @ God presented himself at other countries and they turned him down....These people that gave you this answer should be sterilized

Lamberto Quintero · Jan 8, 2006

I grew up Catholic and was pretty into the religion until I got to high school. I stopped believing though. This religion was a large part to what led to the Spanish conquering and destroying my people as well as the other Natives of the Americas. I really don't know if there is a God or not, but religion is a bunch of fuckin crap that the rich and powerful use to control the rest.

iaoish · Jan 8, 2006

I'm not raised religious. but I had an intrest in it and read a lot... now I'm at a point of view that I think that the main religious (christianity, islam, budhism, judism, rasta) are made up to tell people how to act and what and what not to think. to control them and creating a slave system but still let them believe that they are free. There were many many other religions way before christianity , but those people were all whiped out. I also think that the islam and christianity are created by the same people and both come from judism some people even think that all those religions could be traced back to acient egypt but I havent an opinion about that because I haven't read so much about that yet..

shoowilla · Jan 8, 2006

Mac Jesus said:

Ima answer your questions in a muslim way

You asked if God had the power to cure people and help them so they will not struggle. My answer is ofcourse, diseases and calamites occur because of God he created them. The thing is that this is all a test this life is nothing but a test for the end, this life is temporary, after this life its either paradise or hell and they last for eternity, Everything that happens is a test to mankind, a test of their faith, you see many people turn their backs on religion after something happens. Its all a test of patience, we were only created to worship, and we live this life for the hereafter, not for what this life has to offer because no matter how much money and fame you have once you die you dont take any of that with you.

Your other question, Jesus is neither the son of God nor God himself. God is the creator and he is outside of his creation, putting him in his creation would limit him and that is just impossible. Even in the bible it says in Exodus chapter 20 the first few verses that he says do not put on to me any graven images, i am nothing like i have created in the universe, on earth or in the deep seas. Jesus peace be upon him infact was a prophet and one of the greatest among man, he never preached that he was God, infact the trinity did not come to be until three hundred years after the prophet Jesus's peace be upon him death. He was born through the immaculate conception, and had many miracles but he was neither God or his son, God doesnt have any sons or daughters or wives, God is not human and not like us. To the other part of your question God sent over 240,000 messengers few of which we know, thats why many Rreligions are similar, but God sent all these messengers because people were scattered all over the place and one messanger or a few here and there is not enough. God sent prophets to everybody thats why many of the religions are connected, but people like to play around with religions and change a few things here and there, thats why he kept sending prophets and messengers. Im going to adress the 3 major religions now Judaisim, Christianity and Islam only. As a muslim i believe that these 3 religions where all right at one point in time. For instance Judaisim is the religion of the followers of Moses peace be upon him, and was the right way of life at that time until people started changing it which then Jesus peace be upon him was sent down. When Jesus peace be upon him brought his message the people of the way was the right religion at that time until people changed that and the prophet Mohammad s.a.w became a prophet and a messanger but this time God promised in the Quran that this is the final religion and way of life and he said that Quran will never be tampered with and will never change. 1400 years later although there are sects in islam there is ONE Quran dot for dot the same as it was revealed 1400 years ago. And in the Quran theres is not one mistake in it and it challenges someone to find somethign wrong with it. So basically the people who followed Moses's peace be upon him teachings before Jesus peace be upon him arrived and where rightous people they will go to paradise the same with followers of Jesus peace be upon him before Mohammad s.a.w who followed the true teachings and where rightous will go to paradise, anyways i hope that made sense.

2-0-Sixx · Jan 9, 2006

Mac Jesus said:

This topic has come up a number of times in the past. Here is one of my replies:

2-0-Sixx said:

iaoish · Jan 9, 2006

damn 2-0 put alot of thought into this one

HERESY · Jan 9, 2006

Mac Jesus said:

I've been thinking about the whole concept of God the past little while and started reading up on Christianity.

According to Christians, God is an all knowing, all powerful being who loves us all. If God is all knowing and all powerful doesn't he then have the power to stop people from having to struggle to eat, cure cancer, aids, ect. well if so then what happened to the love? Anyone who has the power to do all these things and doesn't obviously doesn't have that strong of a love for humanity.

I've also been wondering about God sending his only son Jesus Christ to come and die for our sins. If Jesus came to die for us, yet we have to accept him into our heart in order to get into heaven wouldn't he of wanted everyone to know about him? Well then why didn't Jesus in his lifetime go to North America/South America. All I've ever read Jesus never came this way and the whole concept of Jesus didn't arrive to the native americans untill thousands of years after Jesus died. If we need to accept Jesus into our hearts in order to get into heaven does this mean that all the natives who died before the white man came to teach them about Jesus are now in Hell?

You are going to get a zillion and one answers to your questions, and you'll never be satisfied. That is the beauty of life and opinion.

Dirty Shoez · Jan 9, 2006

"If God knows all, then he knows the future, which means god knows the future with infallible certainty, the future is predetermined, and man is impotent to change it."

The remark I would make is, if one man were to, hypothetically, have all the TVs in the world...that doesn't necessarily mean he will have all the TVs in perpetuity. For the statement to remain true, all he needs to do is obtain posession of all TVs as they are made. Ergo, God does not need to "know" the future, per se; but rather, would know everything that is happening, as it happens.

My example has a tiny hole or two in it (logo-semantics, but still), but I do not have time right now to patch it/them up. Happy hunting.

2-0-Sixx · Jan 9, 2006

You're example doesnt work for one because to be all-knowing is to be omniscient. Omniscient means total knowledge; knowledge of everything. This includes the past, present and future.

n9newunsixx5150 · Jan 9, 2006

Mac Jesus said:

Perhaps God is so loving that He allows us to suffer the rejection of His love and support. All religion teaches that we are eternally dependent on God. So our suffering comes in when we try and become independent of God. It isn't that we are actually independent, but our ignorance of self constitutes our identification with the body and consequently we identify with bodily pains (and pleasures). Actually, what we call pleasure in this material existence is merely a counteraction to suffering. Just like if a man is having his head dunked into water excessively and then when his head is taken out for just a few seconds, he feels pleasure from relief. Religion insists that the real standard of pleasure is our devotion to God. God has allowed us to make a choice that contradicts this standard and therefore we are suffering. It is not beyond God's power to take it all away, but choice constitutes love. If there is no choice then how can there be love? Love cannot be forced. Love has to surrender. And that is exactly what God asks, that we surrender unto Him. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, it doesn't matter. All religious systems come to the point of surrendering to God. If a so-called religion does not come to this point then it is a waste of time. Because it is our capacity to understand the nature of the self an its relationship with the absolute that distinguishes humans from other living entities on this planet. So unless religion comes to this point it is simply animal life. The animals don't need religion to eat, sleep, mate and defend so immediately any so-called religious system that does not approach the supreme absolute truth is realized to be false.

Dirty Shoez · Jan 10, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

I disagree. If i were to say, "I know every word in the English language, ergo, I am all-knowing in the English language", and indeed I do and am.....I would not necessarily be able to (nor be obliged to) sit down and write out a gigantic list of every word that would ever enter the language in the future. I would only need to know of each new word as it is being added to the running total (and knowledge indeed is a running total.)

There would be no practical need to know with, as you say, infallibility, what will happen in the future. What would matter are the circumstances leading up to and shaping what might potentially happen, and given the knowledge of everything to happen as it is happening, that is plenty.

God doesn't need everybody to be perfect, and God doesn't need to plot courses for everyone. You can psyche yourself out all you want and point to 'Fate' as a way to downplay your own failures and inability to believe, but that is all on you.

If you're generally a happy person, good things will tend to happen to you. If you're generally a sad person, bad things will tend to happen with you. These things have nothing to do with the past or future. They are all about the present. It's always about the present.

n9newunsixx5150 · Jan 12, 2006

The atheist is never satisfied with any answers.

If we thought that it made us happy for God to cease existing then it would be God's job to cease existing otherwise, "He must not really love us". The difficulty is that people are suffering but they don't want to suffer. So some of us take to God while others reject God under the notion that He should use His omnipotence to get rid of suffering when it was His love in the first place that allowed us to take up the illusion that we are independent of God's support. The whole issue is paradoxical. The real answer is that if you don't want to suffer, then take shelter under God. It is not that we can reject God and still expect His shelter. We are the ones contradicting ourselves. God is just supplying us with this by-product of reality.

iaoish · Jan 12, 2006

^
I hope you are not refering to the tsunami in thailand, orcane kathrina, hunger and wars in africa so many innocent people being locked up etc etc etc

CannibalCrow · Jan 13, 2006

I looked hard for God for years. I saw my family communicating with Him and thought there was something wrong with me.

I keep the notion that we're all alone on this little green ball in space, and that we're here to take care of each other. As much as some of us hate it, we are social animals. And the way things work makes suffering inevitable. Nature does stuff. People die. Human beings do terrible things to other human beings. Apathy is humanity's worst trait. A loving God wouldn't choose to do this to His people. If I entertain the possibilty of His existence, I also say that He does not do this do us. Simply living in a moving body in space does this to us. Simply being human does this to us. He did not create us to suffer, but we do because this is a living world. Human beings are so different from the animals in our ability to create tools, create art, create music and the written word. And if I entertained the existence of God I would say that these were gifts from Him. Signs of His work in us. However, with the power to create comes the power to destroy. We do this very well.

As it stands, I cannot see a reason to believe in a god, or gods. I see beauty in this world with out needing to attribute it to some great force. I see love in this world and I don't find it necessary to thank a deity for it. Just as I see suffering and cannot blame anyone. However, I find no reason to debate religion with people if they are happy. When you are happy in this world, I am happy for you. In the world I envision though, human beings should be more concerned with helping other human beings rather than relying on a God to do it.

bigball44 · Jan 13, 2006

THIS IS HOW GOD PRESENTS HIMSELF TO ALL EVEN OTHA COUNTRIES

ROMANS 1:20-21
Rom 1:20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.
Rom 1:21 Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

THIS ANSWERS THE WHOLE QUESTION THAT GOD IS KNOWN THROUGH HIS CREATIONS, EVEN IF THA GOSPEL ISNT PREACHED TO THEM. U SEE> ALSO GOD DOSENT IMPOSE HIS FREE WILL ON ANYONE INCLUDING YOU!!!!

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