German Bishop Links Nazi Crimes to Atheism

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'HELL ON EARTH'

German Bishop Links Nazi Crimes to Atheism


By Markus Becker

In an Easter sermon that has drawn widespread criticism, the Catholic bishop of Augsburg has linked the crimes committed under Nazi and Communist regimes to atheism. Atheist groups have reacted with fury and accuse the cleric of rewriting history.

A Catholic German bishop has come under fire for his remarks condemning atheists. In a sermon given on Easter Sunday, the bishop of Augsburg, Walter Mixa, warned of rising atheism in Germany. "Wherever God is denied or fought against, there people and their dignity will soon be denied and held in disregard," he said in the sermon. He also said that "a society without God is hell on earth" and quoted the Russian author Fyodor Dostoyevsky: "If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

Most controversially, he linked the Nazi and Communist crimes to atheism. "In the last century, the godless regimes of Nazism and Communism, with their penal camps, their secret police and their mass murder, proved in a terrible way the inhumanity of atheism in practice." Christians and the Church were always the subject of "special persecution" under these systems, he said.

However, critics accuse Mixa of rewriting history. The bishop's claim that humanity automatically arises from religious faith is "totally untenable," Rudolf Ladwig, president of the Germany-based International League of Non-Religious and Atheists (IBKA), told SPIEGEL ONLINE. Mixa's words are part of a "long-term strategy by the Church to exculpate, in a historically inaccurate way, the history of its own institution as relates to fascism."

The Nazi dictatorship targeted Communists, Social Democrats, liberals, trade unionists, Jews, Roma and Sinti, homosexuals, the disabled and others, Ladwig said. "It was by no means the dictatorship of a dedicated atheist movement. Resistance from within the churches came only from individuals."

The philosopher Michael Schmidt-Salomon, head of the humanist non-profit group the Giordano Bruno Foundation, also sharply criticized Mixa. "If you bear in mind that during the Nazi era it was precisely the Jews who were accused of being godless, then one sees how perfidious Mixa's reasoning is," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE. He points out that freethinker associations were disbanded by the Nazis and avowed atheists were persecuted.

Mixa's claim that the Nazi regime was "godless" is "a massive distortion of history," Schmidt-Salomon said. Nazi ideology -- including its anti-Semitism -- was based largely on Christian traditions, he said, explaining that evidence for that can be found in Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and elsewhere. "The majority of the Nazi elite saw themselves as Christians," says Schmidt-Salomon.

Although the Nazi movement included a wide variety of currents of religious thought, ranging from nihilism to neo-paganism to Teutonic mythology to Hinduism, atheism played no significant political role for the Nazis. Avowed atheists were not welcome in the Nazi party or the SS.

The relationship of the Catholic Church to the Nazis was also an ambivalent one. Individual members of the clergy openly confronted the regime, which in some cases resulted in their persecution and murder. Others voluntarily collaborated with the dictatorship, while most simply did nothing. A systematic persecution of Christians did not take place in the Third Reich -- let alone the "special persecution of Christians and the Church" which Mixa spoke of.

Both the diocese of Augsburg and the German Bishops' Conference declined to comment on the sermon and the criticism when contacted by SPIEGEL ONLINE.

The Easter sermon was not the first time that Mixa has made comparisons to Nazism for rhetorical purposes. In February, the bishop compared the number of Jews murdered during the Holocaust with the number of abortions performed over the past decades, according to a newspaper report. The bishop's spokesman also responded to criticism of Mixa from Germany's leading Green Party politician, Claudia Roth, who called the bishop a "crazy über-fundamentalist," by comparing her words to Nazi propaganda.

Mixa has also courted controversy on other issues. In 2007, he criticized a proposal to expand daycare in Germany by saying it would turn women into "breeding machines." Later that same year, he was criticized by the Jewish community in Germany when he compared the situation of the Palestinians to the Warsaw Ghetto.

According to the Federal Statistical Office, approximately one-third of all Germans do not belong to an organized religion. A 2005 survey conducted by AP-Ipsos showed that only 22 percent of Germans have no doubt about the existence of God, while some 23 percent of Germans identify themselves either as atheists or agnostics.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,618746,00.html
 

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That does not mean he killed because he was an antheist (and he wasn't)

While the examples of people killing other people because of religion fill half of the history books....
 
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Didnt Hitler have a bunch of anti-christian quotes in his book? I remember seeing some exerts where he bascially says "I am god".
Everything Hitler did was inspired by christianity. Shit, the hatred of jews was long before hitler. Martin Luther was a precursor to Nazism. Here is a quote from his book, "On the Jews and Their Lies:"

"Set fire to their synagogues and schools. Jewish houses should be razed and destroyed, and Jewish prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, curing, and blasphemy are taught, [should] be taken from them." Their rabbis [should] be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb."

Luther proposed seven measures of "sharp mercy" that German princes could take against Jews: (1) burn their schools and synagogues; (2) transfer Jews to community settlements; (3) confiscate all Jewish literature, which was blasphemous; (4) prohibit rabbis to teach, on pain of death; (5) deny Jews safe conduct, so as to prevent the spread of Judaism; (6) appropriate their wealth and use it to support converts and to prevent the Jews' practice of usury; (7) assign Jews to manual labor as a form of penance.

Nice blueprint for Hitler's final solution.
 
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I'm not claiming anyone is a liar, but I have found things online that says he was and others they say he wasn't:

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

http://davnet.org/kevin/essays/hitler.html

But then he turned around said such things like:

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

Here is an interesting read, albeit maybe a bit biased:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian

It just seems strange that he has such conflicting and contradicting statements...i mean, the man was straight up narcissistic and anti-social...so who really knows what the fuck he was believing in fully.
 
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It's really irrelevant what he believed in or not because without religion he could have never accomplished what he did. As I mentioned above, the hatred of jews in germany existed long before hitler. Hitler just took that hatred, used it for his interests and actually carried out the plans that were laid down hundreds of years before him. Christian ideology, the Church, all of that was essential to the success of the Nazi's. They go hand in hand. And that's the point of this thread, the fucktard German Bishop who is trying to rewrite history and say it was Atheism, not Christianity, that played a huge role in the rise and success of the Nazi's. Hitler could have secretly been an atheist sure, although it seems very, very unlikely, but it's possible. Regardless, Christianity is what Hitler promoted, not atheism.

Also, a little side note worth mentioning is all the interest and research the Nazi's put into religious artifacts, religious history, the occult, etc. Doesn't seem like an atheistic group of people would devote so much time & effort into religion.
 
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See, this is what i ampointing out i those quotes...he is in some, and then bascially saying "fuck religion" in the others. I think at some point in hie reighn, he abandond "god" altogehter and proclaimed himself as some sort of deity. Just my take on it.
maybe, but from what I've read about Hitler he was uncertain or even insecure about a lot of his decisions and quite frequently consulted advice from others, which doesn't really fit the mold of a man who believes he is god. Pol Pot is a good example of a dictator believing he was god. Hitler I wouldn't go that far.
 
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While the examples of people killing other people because of religion fill half of the history books....
Smh.. deplorable.

Link.

Everything Hitler did was inspired by christianity.
You may be able to argue that Hitler had religous ties but I think Christianity is the wrong direction (unless you make no distunguishment). There are several written accounts of his disregarding and denouncing Christianity.

It's really irrelevant what he believed in or not because without religion he could have never accomplished what he did.
What he did with the Jews or the second world war in it's entirety? Because you can not forget about the master race and his unquenchable thirst for total power in Europe and beyond, which were products of his own personal agenda.
 
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Hitler was influenced alot by Nietzsche, who believed religion in General especially judeo-Christian religions (Christianity) is for the weak of society and extremely absurd. Hitler sometimes recognized the benefit of the church but he denounced it many times, i mean for christ's sake (pun intended) he was into the occult.
 
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You may be able to argue that Hitler had religous ties but I think Christianity is the wrong direction (unless you make no distunguishment). There are several written accounts of his disregarding and denouncing Christianity.
Again, irrelevant because the entire foundation and success of the Nazi's was built on religious beliefs!

What he did with the Jews or the second world war in it's entirety? Because you can not forget about the master race and his unquenchable thirst for total power in Europe and beyond, which were products of his own personal agenda.
See above. Without religion the Nazi's would have never rose to power.
 
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Religion to me, as a tool, is more circumstantial than anything. Afterall, a country made up of 75% atheists is not likely to have someone rise to power through the use of religion. Adversely, he/she may use atheism, and in such a case atheism becomes the tool. These tools are based laregly (if not entirely) on the common denominator, and currently, religion tends to be most common in countries around the world.