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Gay-Rights Group Calls On Venues To Cancel Beenie Man Shows



A British gay-rights group is demanding a genuine apology from Beenie Man after the dancehall star responded vaguely this week to disapproval over allegedly violent, homophobic lyrics.

Claiming his raps promote the killing of homosexuals, the organization OutRage! has for weeks been asking concert promoters to cancel Beenie Man shows.

In the Jamaican icon's "Damn," featured on various compilations, he raps, "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica/ Come to execute all the gays." Another compilation tune, "Han Up Deh," includes the lyrics "Hang chi chi gal wit a long piece of rope" — "chi chi" being a slang term for homosexual (also used on "Bad Man" from 1997's Many Moods of Moses).

"It has come to my attention that certain lyrics and recordings I have made in the past may have caused distress and outrage among people whose identities and lifestyles are different from my own," reads a Beenie statement issued by Virgin Records. "While my lyrics are very personal, I do not write them with the intent of purposefully hurting or maligning others, and I offer my sincerest apologies to those who might have been offended, threatened or hurt by my songs.

"As a human being," he continued, "I renounce violence towards other human beings in every way, and pledge henceforth to uphold these values as I move forward in my career as an artist."

OutRage! called Beenie's statement hollow.

"When someone is sincerely sorry, they acknowledge the wrong they've done and apologize to the persons they've harmed," OutRage! spokesperson Peter Tatchell said Thursday (August 5). "Beenie Man's statement doesn't do any of those things. He's panicked by the threat that he's gonna have concert cancellations all over the United States and Europe."

OutRage!'s campaign has already led to some cancellations in Europe, including a June concert in London, where police questioned the dancehall star about his lyrics. Later in the summer, when The Associated Press questioned Beenie about the lyrics, he said it was part of Caribbean culture.

"The idea that he suddenly had a genuine change of heart in the last two weeks is not credible at all," said Tatchell, who believes Beenie's statement is purposely vague so as not to alienate fans in Jamaica, which is considered one of the most homophobic places in the world, according to London's Guardian newspaper.

Tatchell also accuses Virgin Records of wrongfully attributing the statement to Beenie and claims it was written by the star's attorney during a phone call between himself and the lawyer on Friday. "He drafted it in the lounge at JFK Airport," Tatchell said. "Those are not Beenie Man's words."

Clyde McKenzie, the public relations chief for Beenie's management company, would not comment on who wrote the statement. Beenie Man himself was unavailable at press time.

"I will say that I'm not happy with what has resulted from the whole thing," McKenzie said. "I thought they wanted Jamaican artists to spurn violence against gays. I think [the statement] accommodates gays. I don't think one necessarily has to be specific, because the next thing you know, another group wants an apology. If he gives a blanket statement, that's a safe approach."

Earlier this week, McKenzie took to the Radio Jamaica airwaves to argue that Beenie's statement should not be called a haphazard apology because it was not meant to be an apology, and that Beenie has the right to continue criticizing a lifestyle he does not approve of. OutRage! has since called the comments an attempt to downplay the statement to Jamaicans.

"He said he does not advocate violence against any group of people because of their belief systems or value systems. I think that is a reasonable step to take," McKenzie said. "I also made it clear that [the statement] did not endorse a particular lifestyle. If you say a person should not be hurt because of what he believes in, you're not necessarily agreeing with it."

"This is not about making homophobic comments," Tatchell responded. "It's incitement to murder, which is a criminal offense. ... I just met with the chief law enforcement officer in Britain, and he is seriously considering bringing charges against Beenie Man, his record companies and record stores and radio stations who play his violent, homophobic songs. There's a possibility he will be prohibited from entering Britain on the grounds of committing incitement to murder."

OutRage! is now lobbying U.S. officials to ban Beenie from performing here and vows to continue the pressure until he apologizes and expresses remorse.

"It's also necessary for him to either buy up the CDs with his songs that encourage the killing of gay people or to donate royalties for those songs to an organization that supports victims of gay-bashing attacks," Tatchell said. "We can't accept any apology as long as he's still profiting from these songs."

OutRage! is also targeting dancehall star Bounty Killer for allegedly similar lyrics, as well as Buju Banton, who is wanted for gay bashing in Jamaica.

Beenie Man, who nearly died in a car accident in January (see "Beenie Man In Near-Fatal Car Accident"), released his latest album, Back to Basics, on July 20 (see "Beenie Man Brings It Back To Basics On New LP").

From www.mtv.com

I dont know what to think about this....it is just messed up. Everybody is so sensitive now days. I am not a homo basher, but I find this to be stupid. They are old lyrics and they are his lyrics. I have heard a lot worse from other artists. Wait....didnt Eminem do the same thing?? All Beenie Man has to do now is preform w/Elton John at the Grammys and everything will be okay.

I hope they don't cancel the Beenie Man concert in STL in October.
 
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WHat the fuck do they want, for him to donate a few million to their Pro-Gay cause? The man apologized and humbled himself in a public arena. Since when is that not enough?
 
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WHat the fuck do they want, for him to donate a few million to their Pro-Gay cause? The man apologized and humbled himself in a public arena. Since when is that not enough?

To homosexual liberals that is, oh wait to all homosexuals since there all liberals, that is not enough. They try to force fucking feed there liberal dribble down your throat. They get marriage in one state, and then move on to the next. WTF is that? I saw on fnc that one couple went to courts and when the finally where allowed to be married they left that state to go to one that didnt! Get married u wanted it, now live in peace, your bringing this shit on yourself for doing it. No matter what 2-0 or WD wanna post, homosexuality is not natural, its a sickness.
 

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FUCK FAGS they can all die for all i care they have de-evolved to barbarians and arent deserving of any rights. What Iam supposed to apologize for dissing fags in freestyles I dont care if they are offended or not they arent even people. Beat a fag lifeless. Its their fault aids is here. so they can rot
 
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Gay-Rights Group Calls On Venues To Cancel Beenie Man Shows



A British gay-rights group is demanding a genuine apology from Beenie Man after the dancehall star responded vaguely this week to disapproval over allegedly violent, homophobic lyrics.

Claiming his raps promote the killing of homosexuals, the organization OutRage! has for weeks been asking concert promoters to cancel Beenie Man shows.

In the Jamaican icon's "Damn," featured on various compilations, he raps, "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica/ Come to execute all the gays." Another compilation tune, "Han Up Deh," includes the lyrics "Hang chi chi gal wit a long piece of rope" — "chi chi" being a slang term for homosexual (also used on "Bad Man" from 1997's Many Moods of Moses).

"It has come to my attention that certain lyrics and recordings I have made in the past may have caused distress and outrage among people whose identities and lifestyles are different from my own," reads a Beenie statement issued by Virgin Records. "While my lyrics are very personal, I do not write them with the intent of purposefully hurting or maligning others, and I offer my sincerest apologies to those who might have been offended, threatened or hurt by my songs.

"As a human being," he continued, "I renounce violence towards other human beings in every way, and pledge henceforth to uphold these values as I move forward in my career as an artist."

OutRage! called Beenie's statement hollow.

"When someone is sincerely sorry, they acknowledge the wrong they've done and apologize to the persons they've harmed," OutRage! spokesperson Peter Tatchell said Thursday (August 5). "Beenie Man's statement doesn't do any of those things. He's panicked by the threat that he's gonna have concert cancellations all over the United States and Europe."

OutRage!'s campaign has already led to some cancellations in Europe, including a June concert in London, where police questioned the dancehall star about his lyrics. Later in the summer, when The Associated Press questioned Beenie about the lyrics, he said it was part of Caribbean culture.

"The idea that he suddenly had a genuine change of heart in the last two weeks is not credible at all," said Tatchell, who believes Beenie's statement is purposely vague so as not to alienate fans in Jamaica, which is considered one of the most homophobic places in the world, according to London's Guardian newspaper.

Tatchell also accuses Virgin Records of wrongfully attributing the statement to Beenie and claims it was written by the star's attorney during a phone call between himself and the lawyer on Friday. "He drafted it in the lounge at JFK Airport," Tatchell said. "Those are not Beenie Man's words."

Clyde McKenzie, the public relations chief for Beenie's management company, would not comment on who wrote the statement. Beenie Man himself was unavailable at press time.

"I will say that I'm not happy with what has resulted from the whole thing," McKenzie said. "I thought they wanted Jamaican artists to spurn violence against gays. I think [the statement] accommodates gays. I don't think one necessarily has to be specific, because the next thing you know, another group wants an apology. If he gives a blanket statement, that's a safe approach."

Earlier this week, McKenzie took to the Radio Jamaica airwaves to argue that Beenie's statement should not be called a haphazard apology because it was not meant to be an apology, and that Beenie has the right to continue criticizing a lifestyle he does not approve of. OutRage! has since called the comments an attempt to downplay the statement to Jamaicans.

"He said he does not advocate violence against any group of people because of their belief systems or value systems. I think that is a reasonable step to take," McKenzie said. "I also made it clear that [the statement] did not endorse a particular lifestyle. If you say a person should not be hurt because of what he believes in, you're not necessarily agreeing with it."

"This is not about making homophobic comments," Tatchell responded. "It's incitement to murder, which is a criminal offense. ... I just met with the chief law enforcement officer in Britain, and he is seriously considering bringing charges against Beenie Man, his record companies and record stores and radio stations who play his violent, homophobic songs. There's a possibility he will be prohibited from entering Britain on the grounds of committing incitement to murder."

OutRage! is now lobbying U.S. officials to ban Beenie from performing here and vows to continue the pressure until he apologizes and expresses remorse.

"It's also necessary for him to either buy up the CDs with his songs that encourage the killing of gay people or to donate royalties for those songs to an organization that supports victims of gay-bashing attacks," Tatchell said. "We can't accept any apology as long as he's still profiting from these songs."

OutRage! is also targeting dancehall star Bounty Killer for allegedly similar lyrics, as well as Buju Banton, who is wanted for gay bashing in Jamaica.

Beenie Man, who nearly died in a car accident in January (see "Beenie Man In Near-Fatal Car Accident"), released his latest album, Back to Basics, on July 20 (see "Beenie Man Brings It Back To Basics On New LP").

From www.mtv.com

I dont know what to think about this....it is just messed up. Everybody is so sensitive now days. I am not a homo basher, but I find this to be stupid. They are old lyrics and they are his lyrics. I have heard a lot worse from other artists. Wait....didnt Eminem do the same thing?? All Beenie Man has to do now is preform w/Elton John at the Grammys and everything will be okay.

I hope they don't cancel the Beenie Man concert in STL in October.

Why not ask to ban Eminem?...do I smell racism?

They can't do it, cuz then they'd have to ban all the musicians(white power) that talk shit about niggers, beaners, and all that. Then the police wouldn't have any bands to listen to...

I used to hate fags with a passion, but now I don't care as long as they keep to themselves. Let them get married...just don't let them kiss in public.
 
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I'm down to beat a fags ass just to show you guys how not gay I am...Damn...so many fools get threatened by homosexuality...I think we got some closet cases in here...the funniest thing is, by pure numbers and probability, one of your close friends is gay, so you dipshits better learn to live with it, cause when you grow up, that shit is gonna be revealed....then who you gonna hate? Fuckin hicks.
 
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^^^for real.

And Ruthless Rick brought up a good point about Eminem. Didn’t he just get busted for saying “nigger bitch” and some other shit when he was younger? Why aren’t people trippin about that?

In the end, I think every man should be able to say anything he wants on his record. After all, it’s his words, his opinions, his feelings etc. However, they will be held accountable for these words, just as a white power metal band is held accountable for their words. Don’t expect “Nazi pride” to be allowed in certain arenas or cities or Beanie man allowed into heavily gay populated city.
 

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THAT SHIT STUPID. IF CUZZ HATES FAgS AND WRITES A SONg OR TWO ABOUT IT, THAT IS HIS BUSINESS. JUST LIKE A FAg HAS A RIgHT TO WRITE WHATEVA LYRICS HE WANTS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHIN', DON'T LISTEN TO IT.
 
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No matter what 2-0 or WD wanna post, homosexuality is not natural, its a sickness.
Monument dedicated to Matthew Shepard's Entry Into Hell, which WBC intends to erect in Casper City Park as a solemn Memorial that God Hates Fags & Fag-Enablers






 
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THAT SHIT STUPID. IF CUZZ HATES FAgS AND WRITES A SONg OR TWO ABOUT IT, THAT IS HIS BUSINESS. JUST LIKE A FAg HAS A RIgHT TO WRITE WHATEVA LYRICS HE WANTS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHIN', DON'T LISTEN TO IT.
Exactly......
 
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Things that surprise me.
1) For being so liberal fags sure don't seem to like Beenie Man expressing himself artisticly or at least exercising his first admendment right.
2) You pro-homosexual siccness members all ways defend homosexuality whenever some one bashes it and the first thing out your mouths is "you must be a closet homosexual!" So if I say Nigger does that make me a racist or a "closet african-american lover?"
3) You pro-homosexual siccness members all ways get on Conservatives cases because they're conservative on a "Gangsta Rap" forum. YET you same hypocrites can't look at yourselves when you protect homosexuality on the very same "Gangsta Rap" forum.
4) Those of you who defend homosexuals don't think twice about using the word fag on other siccness members who disagree with you, yet you somehow have a problem if a rapper uses the word.
 
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1. For being so liberal, these fags are using their constitution-granted right to point out what they believe is a wrongdoing in our society. If a police chief said "I hate niggers, I think they all should be arrested", and there was a riot on city hall, would you fault the rioters? Gays feel they are a group that has been wrong and targeted by a public figure.

You might see the artistic expression of "hang a fag from a tree", even though I don't, but it is their right to speak out against it, or make whatever request they want. The "fags" want the show cancelled, which may or may not happen, depending on the decision of whoever puts it on, and it is their right to ask whatever they want. Maybe if the "anti-fags" were as well organized, resourceful, and politically active as the "fags", Beenie Man would not have even had to apologize.

Gays are an extremely active and organized political group. Anyone coming together, like they do, to express a view will be recognized.

That's where you come in MC. You and the anti-fags need some grassroots mobilization. Watch out though, because anti-fagness is a far right view, sharing some elbow room with racism, rabid anti-Communism, and the inbred South.

2. It has been proven that many people with extreme homophobia have been proven to have guilty inner feelings about dirty little "homo" thoughts...just as many rabid "nigger hatins" people have thoughts of sexual inferiority. "They're stealin all our women!"

3. The minority political movement is in many cases linked to gay-rights activism. Gangsta rap is often linked to standard overstated heterosexuality "I fuck 30 bitches with a 6 million dollar Navigator on 52s". Gangsta Rap, though, is very deeply entrenched in the minority movement.

And the connection to the "Black", "Latino", or "minority" culture is much deeper than the connection to "anti-fag" conservatism. A Gangsta Rapper would sooner be in an all-black group with one gay dude than a all-white conservative group of Sean Hannitys telling minorities to "shut up and get over it" and singing about "white pride" in their raps.

4. I use fag for a laugh. I'm from Frisco, I know hella gay people, and they be usin that word off the hook. In most cases in casual speech anyways, it is more of a reference to being a nerd, square, etc.

There's a difference between fuckin around and calling someone a fag, and saying gay people should be hanging from trees.
 
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1. For being so liberal, these fags are using their constitution-granted right to point out what they believe is a wrongdoing in our society. If a police chief said "I hate niggers, I think they all should be arrested", and there was a riot on city hall, would you fault the rioters? Gays feel they are a group that has been wrong and targeted by a public figure.
1. (A) How is that any sort of connection with liberalism? Maybe you're connecting that statement with something I've previously said, but using a constituionaly granted right is not liberal, it's pretty conservative. Unless that's what you're implying. In which case I don't see your point.
1. (B) Yes, I would blame the rioters. I'd also blame the chief but the blame is not only his to bare. Why would they riot? What good will that do them? They'll be arrested and then be subjugated to any treatment the cop wants on them.
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2. It has been proven that many people with extreme homophobia have been proven to have guilty inner feelings about dirty little "homo" thoughts...just as many rabid "nigger hatins" people have thoughts of sexual inferiority. "They're stealin all our women!"
2. It may be proven on certain individuals. But I highly doubt it's true on most cases. Experiments like these have no way to accurately show us anything. Unless researchers get a HUGE amount of different demographics I'll take this proof with a grain of salt and a cold beer.
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3. The minority political movement is in many cases linked to gay-rights activism. Gangsta rap is often linked to standard overstated heterosexuality "I fuck 30 bitches with a 6 million dollar Navigator on 52s". Gangsta Rap, though, is very deeply entrenched in the minority movement.
3. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or in this case the semi-inverted, "The friend of my friend is not my enemy" doesn't apply to Gangsta rap. Find a pro-homosexuality Gangster [meaning a real Gang Banger, not an LL Cool J] Rapper and my point is invalid. Although from your point it does seem agree with me. Maybe not.
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And the connection to the "Black", "Latino", or "minority" culture is much deeper than the connection to "anti-fag" conservatism. A Gangsta Rapper would sooner be in an all-black group with one gay dude than a all-white conservative group of Sean Hannitys telling minorities to "shut up and get over it" and singing about "white pride" in their raps.
You're really comparing an extreme to something relatively lax. On your logic a Gangsta Rapper would rather have a wigga in his click than be fucked in the ass by a homo. Does that prove the a gangsta rapper would rather be with whitie than with faggy? I report. You decide.
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4. I use fag for a laugh. I'm from Frisco, I know hella gay people, and they be usin that word off the hook. In most cases in casual speech anyways, it is more of a reference to being a nerd, square, etc.

There's a difference between fuckin around and calling someone a fag, and saying gay people should be hanging from trees.
4. A. I've used the word gay as an adjective before and have been called on it by both gay and non-gay people before. Does that make my usage of the word right? nope. Just because you use it arround people who aren't offended by it doesn't absolve you of the wrong you've done. [Going off on a tangent here] If you say "Gay" only arround people who are ok with it does that make you not a "homophobe?" If Rednecks use the word "Nigger" only around those who aren't offended by it does that mean they're not racist?
4. B. Is there a difference? I bet there are people who don't see it. You're a homophobe to these people whether you like it or not. Your, and my, opinions don't make a fact, even if they are a fact, relatively speaking.
 
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1. (A) How is that any sort of connection with liberalism?
Sarcasm.

Yes, I would blame the rioters. I'd also blame the chief but the blame is not only his to bare. Why would they riot? What good will that do them? They'll be arrested and then be subjugated to any treatment the cop wants on them.
Perhaps some homosexual treatment...lmfao. No. I wouldn't blame the rioters. They are accomplishing something by drawing attention. By your model, people should only pursue the pussy ass legal venus we have, which are proven to accomplish next to nothing.

It may be proven on certain individuals. But I highly doubt it's true on most cases. Experiments like these have no way to accurately show us anything. Unless researchers get a HUGE amount of different demographics I'll take this proof with a grain of salt and a cold beer.
I know alot of people who get personally irked about that shit to an extreme degree, and I wouldn't doubt it.

3. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or in this case the semi-inverted, "The friend of my friend is not my enemy" doesn't apply to Gangsta rap. Find a pro-homosexuality Gangster [meaning a real Gang Banger, not an LL Cool J] Rapper and my point is invalid. Although from your point it does seem agree with me. Maybe not.
I wouldn't call it that sort of indirect association.

Racism, Homophobia, Xenophobia --> White conservatism
Tolerance, Social Collectivism, Multiculturalism --> Minority liberalism

You're really comparing an extreme to something relatively lax. On your logic a Gangsta Rapper would rather have a wigga in his click than be fucked in the ass by a homo. Does that prove the a gangsta rapper would rather be with whitie than with faggy? I report. You decide.
I wouldn't say so. If the complete logical extension of the "minority" or "Black" movement is the Democratic party, liberalism, etc., which many people say it is, I wouldn't say its that far of an extenstion. Obviously, any self-respecting gangsta rapper would not want to be in a band with a fag if he could help it, but would choose a band with a fag over a band full of suburban whiteys, even if they weren't conservative Sean Hannitys rappin white pride. Also, the homo fucking anyone in the ass has nothing to do with this.

I've used the word gay as an adjective before and have been called on it by both gay and non-gay people before. Does that make my usage of the word right? nope. Just because you use it arround people who aren't offended by it doesn't absolve you of the wrong you've done. If you say "Gay" only arround people who are ok with it does that make you not a "homophobe?" If Rednecks use the word "Nigger" only around those who aren't offended by it does that mean they're not racist?
Gay, homo, and fag are used, tongue-in-cheek, by gay people. You could say the same thing about black people and "nigga", but there is a clear delineation between "nigga" and "nigger".
Just as it takes a certain acceptance by black people for a non-black to say "nigga", gay people can tell in what context the word is being used and if the person is attempting to be insulting or joking.

Basically, there is a difference in severity between "nigger" and "fag". "Fag" is just insulting. "Nigger" implies that you are a worthless piece of shit and you need to die. Beenie man would not have been protested had he just said "faggot" or "homo" in his raps. Instead, he takes it to the next level by sticking them in trees.

4. B. Is there a difference? I bet there are people who don't see it. You're a homophobe to these people whether you like it or not. Your, and my, opinions don't make a fact, even if they are a fact, relatively speaking.
Just as the context to which you are speaking and the context in which you use the words matters, there is a certain level of discernment as to how and why you use and mean them. Of course there are going to be people who see it as universally wrong, and there is no satisfying anyone. What matters is your personal beliefs, and how they come out in what you say. Obviously you don't like homosexuality or don't agree with it. That's fine, but at least you are mentally at the level where you could explain yourself for using it, and I might even venture to say you might know some gay people personally, then again gangbanger machismo is usually all-encompassing, so I doubt it.
 
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No. I wouldn't blame the rioters. They are accomplishing something by drawing attention. By your model, people should only pursue the pussy ass legal venus we have, which are proven to accomplish next to nothing.
By my model people should only pursue the wisest options. As it was not wise for the French to charge their calvalry against German tanks it would not be the wisest option to riot. If I was a greater strategist I might be able to formulate said option. Sadly I am not.
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I know alot of people who get personally irked about that shit to an extreme degree, and I wouldn't doubt it.
On certain people I woudln't doubt it also. But the exponents that would be required to solve the calculation are to vast. It would be nearly impossible to accurately give out an answer.
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I wouldn't say so. If the complete logical extension of the "minority" or "Black" movement is the Democratic party, liberalism, etc., which many people say it is, I wouldn't say its that far of an extenstion. Obviously, any self-respecting gangsta rapper would not want to be in a band with a fag if he could help it, but would choose a band with a fag over a band full of suburban whiteys, even if they weren't conservative Sean Hannitys rappin white pride. Also, the homo fucking anyone in the ass has nothing to do with this.
A blackman rapping about "white pride" and telling minorities to shut up is ,at least in my book, an extreme. I would hardly call having a gay guy in his group as extreme as him selling out and becoming a "self-hating nigger." Thus the fucking in the ass is relevant. It would be the Gay extreme to the White extreme. Neither is good but I don't think any heterosexual would chose an ass raping. But maybe that's just me.
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Gay, homo, and fag are used, tongue-in-cheek, by gay people. You could say the same thing about black people and "nigga", but there is a clear delineation between "nigga" and "nigger".
Just as it takes a certain acceptance by black people for a non-black to say "nigga", gay people can tell in what context the word is being used and if the person is attempting to be insulting or joking.

Basically, there is a difference in severity between "nigger" and "fag". "Fag" is just insulting. "Nigger" implies that you are a worthless piece of shit and you need to die. Beenie man would not have been protested had he just said "faggot" or "homo" in his raps. Instead, he takes it to the next level by sticking them in trees.
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A. Nigga and Nigger are the same word. Whites in the south have a drool accent. Which makes their Nigger into Nigga. Does that mean they're down with Malcom?
B. I'm sure you can be patronizing towards a gay person and call him fag without setting off his "homophobe" sense.
2) A Fag is either a cigarrete, a blundle of sticks used for kindling, or a derogatory word for a homosexual. All things that are burnt. Nigger is probably taken from the word niggard or the more archaic meaning of nigger , meaning frugal and stupid respectively.
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Just as the context to which you are speaking and the context in which you use the words matters, there is a certain level of discernment as to how and why you use and mean them. Of course there are going to be people who see it as universally wrong, and there is no satisfying anyone. What matters is your personal beliefs, and how they come out in what you say.
agreed.
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Obviously you don't like homosexuality or don't agree with it. That's fine, but at least you are mentally at the level where you could explain yourself for using it, and I might even venture to say you might know some gay people personally, then again gangbanger machismo is usually all-encompassing, so I doubt it.
I know that certain people are gay, but I don't know them personally. That doesn't mean I've purposely alienated myself from them. Even though I would. Does it make me a hate monger? Maybe. But I don't hate gay people. I just dont agree with homosexuality.