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Power politics.
Russia is reluctant to grant Chechnya independence for geopolitical and economic reasons. For one, the country has important natural resources - oil deposits, natural gas, and various other minerals. Also, an important oil pipeline runs through Chechnya from the Caspian Sea. Besides, Russia is an extremely vast country, so if Chechnya were allowed to break away from Russia, plenty of other territories would be demanding independence as well, even more loudly than they are now.
Russia is reluctant to grant Chechnya independence for geopolitical and economic reasons. For one, the country has important natural resources - oil deposits, natural gas, and various other minerals. Also, an important oil pipeline runs through Chechnya from the Caspian Sea. Besides, Russia is an extremely vast country, so if Chechnya were allowed to break away from Russia, plenty of other territories would be demanding independence as well, even more loudly than they are now.
^^^They've been fighting for independence for YEARS.
Yes, I believe Chechnya should have the right to determine its own government but on the other hand, they should also oppose their current leaders and form their own workers party that represents the interests of the people by a mass organized workers movement, strikes and protests.
Russia should immediately withdrawal all of their troops from Chechnya…it is a war they cannot win.
Yes, I believe Chechnya should have the right to determine its own government but on the other hand, they should also oppose their current leaders and form their own workers party that represents the interests of the people by a mass organized workers movement, strikes and protests.
Russia should immediately withdrawal all of their troops from Chechnya…it is a war they cannot win.
The Chechens have always been against Russian rule, whether it was the Tsarist autocracy or the Bolsheviks. The current war has lasted for over a decade. I was talking about other Russian peripheries that were not able to break away from Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union demanding independence.
The Russians also fear the spread of radical islamism, but ironically, what they are doing is merely giving it a more fertile breeding ground.
A fucking shame that the international community has overlooked the situation in Chechnya for over a decade. And yes, Chechnya has a right to self-determination. The Russians have raped the country for years and bombed them back to the stone age.
The Russians also fear the spread of radical islamism, but ironically, what they are doing is merely giving it a more fertile breeding ground.
A fucking shame that the international community has overlooked the situation in Chechnya for over a decade. And yes, Chechnya has a right to self-determination. The Russians have raped the country for years and bombed them back to the stone age.
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Absolutely nothing progressive can come of such terrorist attacks on innocent civilians. There is, in fact, an inseparable connection between the reactionary means employed by the hostage-takers, and their political goals and ideology.
Friday’s catastrophe is but the latest in an unbroken chain of social and human disasters that have resulted from the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism. Those responsible for the bloodbath in North Ossetia avidly supported the break-up of the Soviet Union and are seeking to further fragment the former USSR along ethnic and communal lines. Their demand for an independent Chechnya in no way embodies the democratic and social interests of the Chechen working class. It is a reactionary project, whose realization would benefit only aspiring bourgeois elements and their communalist and Islamic fundamentalist allies.
To recognize this political fact and state it bluntly in no way minimizes the criminal repression carried out by the ruling elite in Russia against the Chechen people. But the actions of the hostage-takers will only strengthen the hand of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and further disorient the broad mass of the Russian people. It is, likewise, a political gift to US President George Bush, who will seize on these events to justify Washington’s militarist policies in the name of the “war on terrorism.”
Absolutely nothing progressive can come of such terrorist attacks on innocent civilians. There is, in fact, an inseparable connection between the reactionary means employed by the hostage-takers, and their political goals and ideology.
Friday’s catastrophe is but the latest in an unbroken chain of social and human disasters that have resulted from the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism. Those responsible for the bloodbath in North Ossetia avidly supported the break-up of the Soviet Union and are seeking to further fragment the former USSR along ethnic and communal lines. Their demand for an independent Chechnya in no way embodies the democratic and social interests of the Chechen working class. It is a reactionary project, whose realization would benefit only aspiring bourgeois elements and their communalist and Islamic fundamentalist allies.
To recognize this political fact and state it bluntly in no way minimizes the criminal repression carried out by the ruling elite in Russia against the Chechen people. But the actions of the hostage-takers will only strengthen the hand of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and further disorient the broad mass of the Russian people. It is, likewise, a political gift to US President George Bush, who will seize on these events to justify Washington’s militarist policies in the name of the “war on terrorism.”
im not totally sure. Good potatoes im down with potatoes.
the country has important natural resources - oil deposits, natural gas, and various other minerals. Also, an important oil pipeline runs through Chechnya from the Caspian Sea. Besides, Russia is an extremely vast country, so if Chechnya were allowed to break away from Russia
Thats all I was fishing for. What Idaho has to do with the discussion I have no clue. I do like patatoes though.
the country has important natural resources - oil deposits, natural gas, and various other minerals. Also, an important oil pipeline runs through Chechnya from the Caspian Sea. Besides, Russia is an extremely vast country, so if Chechnya were allowed to break away from Russia
Thats all I was fishing for. What Idaho has to do with the discussion I have no clue. I do like patatoes though.
Just that it's part of the union and the U.S. government would probably put up a fight if some Idaho Nationalist / Islamic fundamentalist group decided that they were going to wage a terrorist war against the U.S. so that Idaho could be independent.
There doesn't always have to be an overt geographic or natural resources reasoning for war or maintaining your territory.
The U.S. is quite vast as well, but i still think the gov. would be upset if Rhode Island Nationalists wanted and independent Rhode Island.
I like Potatoes too, must be an irish thing.
I completely agree. However I do want to point out that these terrorists do not represent the Chechen people as a whole.
I do have some of my own questions.
An independent Chechnya led by a party that represents the people is undoubtedly ideal. The problem obviously is who would seize power in Chechnya if the circumstance arose today. Is there a strong workers movement in Chechnya? Do competent socialist leaders exist in Chechnya? Would the Islamic radicals rise to power and if so, what is worse; an Islamic Radical government or an endless brutal war with Russia?
The Islamic leaders oppose capitalist imperialism, and because of this and many other reasons the Chechen people, who have long suffered bitter oppression, have been considerate to the radicals. On the other hand, terrorist’s acts like this only impair their foundation and are in fact separating them from the common man.
You know what I want to happen CB, but without the right leadership it cannot succeed.
I do have some of my own questions.
An independent Chechnya led by a party that represents the people is undoubtedly ideal. The problem obviously is who would seize power in Chechnya if the circumstance arose today. Is there a strong workers movement in Chechnya? Do competent socialist leaders exist in Chechnya? Would the Islamic radicals rise to power and if so, what is worse; an Islamic Radical government or an endless brutal war with Russia?
The Islamic leaders oppose capitalist imperialism, and because of this and many other reasons the Chechen people, who have long suffered bitter oppression, have been considerate to the radicals. On the other hand, terrorist’s acts like this only impair their foundation and are in fact separating them from the common man.
You know what I want to happen CB, but without the right leadership it cannot succeed.
No I’m not cheering for the Islamic radicals. I am very sympathetic to the people of Chechnya but not any terrorists.
If anything I’m rooting for an independent party to take advantage of this fucked up situation and show the people that neither side is worth dieing for and to demonstrate the importance of a party that truly represents the working class of Chechnya.
I am not aware of any strong socialists parties, leaders or movements in Chechnya and I was hoping you may be able to shed some light on other parties..
If anything I’m rooting for an independent party to take advantage of this fucked up situation and show the people that neither side is worth dieing for and to demonstrate the importance of a party that truly represents the working class of Chechnya.
I am not aware of any strong socialists parties, leaders or movements in Chechnya and I was hoping you may be able to shed some light on other parties..
its like all cases of the big guy's 'bombing' and the little guy's 'terrorism' it doesn't matter who's right, and who's wrong, as long as 'we' as a global society have the 'hit me and I'll hit you back' attitude these violent episodes will continue throughout Africa, the Middle-East, Eastern Russia, (and the rest of the world for that matter). As cliche as it may sound, one side will have to 'be the bigger man' and let bygons be bygons. Instead of dwelling on the past to determine the next future attack, one side will have to instead look forward to a means of peace. I may seem like a broken record, but it will take non-violent civil disobedience when fighting the gov't for real revolutionary change... History proves that VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE (period).
where's Gandhi or Dr. King when you need 'em?
where's Gandhi or Dr. King when you need 'em?