Fire Mike Nolan.

MooreBlock530 · Oct 14, 2008

^16-0 and a SB win.....

YUNG $PIDER · Oct 14, 2008

u know it !!!!!

MooreBlock530 · Oct 15, 2008

so mike nolan is the sole reason 49ers blow? really?....Nate C getting burned deep for tds isnt bad scheme.....its up to the players to adjust to what they see on the field....coaching and schemes only get you so far....elite players playing well together is the real key.....fact is that 49ers dont have many good players at key postions....

if belicheat was the coach of the niners they would be avg and still miss the playoffs........the fact is they suck and no coach will change that.....thanks

PoLLo LoC831 · Oct 15, 2008

^ You Just have to wait and see what happens

poranamo3rd · Oct 15, 2008

FATAL NYGHTMARE said:

straight up! co-sign

PoLLo LoC831 · Oct 15, 2008

i had read an article a few weeks ago were Martz stated "it was nolan's idea to bring JTO in"....

ChuckTaylor84 · Oct 15, 2008

MooreBlock530 said:

i dnt blame Nate C 4 getting burned though when da defense plays most of da games cuz da offense sux azz N fuck Mike Nolan

PoLLo LoC831 · Oct 15, 2008

Who pulls the trigger?
Deciding Nolan should go is easy, what's next isn't

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/14/SPUF13H1DG.DTL

The wolves have gathered, checked themselves in at the table and are properly credentialed and name-tagged to howl for the firing of Mike Nolan.

Which is great and all, given that is the perfect knee-jerk reaction to any sporting problem. It feels good, it satisfies the administrative bloodlust we all have, and it kills time between gin and tonics.

Only it's the second move that has everyone flum- moxed, namely, who is going to fire him?

And then there's the third move, which is, who should replace him?

Now this will not be a defense of Nolan or his regime. He has had 54 games to show far more progress than this, and winning every third game isn't close to cutting it. His players are starting to show the telltale signs of losing heart. They look disorganized, confused and directionless in every area, and, worst of all, this season is exactly what those snot-nosed media creeps foresaw for them when the season began.

But there's more. Nolan has not looked comfortable in his own skin since he got here, as though he spends too much time in his own head wondering how he looks while he's coaching. Stylistically as well as tactically, he was simply too twitchy to wield the power he had been given.

In other words, there is simply too little evidence to suggest that he has earned the right or even the blind optimism to keep the job. It might not be time this week, but the time is coming, and the 49ers are always good at seeing the time has come after it already has passed.

Here, though, is the problem everyone wants to avoid when the subject arises. Firing Nolan takes someone to do it, and, frankly, it's hard to see who would. Consider the candidates:

John York: The Guy Who Started It

He hired Nolan, he likes Nolan, he had a chance to fire Nolan as he stood in the soot of last season and chose instead to jerry-rig a system wherein Nolan's subordinate, Scot McCloughan, suddenly becomes his boss (yeah, right). Plus, York would have to appear in public to explain the firing, and he would rather hit himself in the face with a hammer than submit to that.

Jed York: The Boy King, Eventually, Maybe

Hasn't got the power to buck dad on this one, because firing the coach is entirely the purview of the boss, and he isn't the boss yet.

Denise York: She Who Still Must Be Obeyed
It is her team, after all, but she wants less to do with it than she does with a backed-up sewer outside the family's Youngstown manse.

Andy Dolich: The New Guy

Doesn't know enough about NFL football to offer an informed opinion (which also can be said of the Yorks pere et fils), hasn't been on the job long enough to volunteer, and is still spearheading (mmmppfffhhh) the Santa Clara (oh God, no, please don't) stadium plan (HAHAHAHAHA, STOPSTOP, YOU'REKILLINGUS!).

McCloughan: The Right Hand

Already compromised by his relationship with Nolan, and we're still not clear just how much higher in the organizational flow chart than Nolan he actually resides. Plus, his own record of talent acquisition leaves something (say, like wins) to be desired, so his position might not be so secure once the whackings begin.

Paraag Marathe: The Math Guy

The numbers stink, but this isn't a numbers thing. Besides, being in the coaches' booth on Sundays is probably closer than he ought to get to that end of the business.

And here is the next problem: determining the next Nolan.

One of the 49ers' greatest ownership failings has been its lack of connection to other NFL teams to get a sense of where the best talent can be found. After all, John York brought back Bill Walsh and immediately decided he needed a minder. That turned out to be Terry Donahue, whose incompetence-enriched regime helped set in motion that disaster you see before you. Then York canned Donahue and, because he wanted someone to be the franchise front man so he wouldn't have to be, he hired Nolan and gave him more power than any first-time head coach should have.

Oh, and don't give us Mike Martz as an alternative. He is a handy name as an interim guy, and that is all. He is not the future of the franchise, unless you think the franchise should have the same future as its present.

Truth is, there is no evidence to suggest that the Yorks would be any better at replacing Nolan than they were at replacing Donahue than they were at replacing Steve Mariucci. And when we say no evidence, what we mean is plenty of evidence to prove the opposite.

So sure, fire Nolan. Why not? He has it coming, he knew the job was dangerous when he took it, and the team has risen from utter unwatchability to painfully chaotic and borderline resigned. Coaches get fired for cause all the time when they are the cause of this.

Just remember that Nolan isn't the only cause. Remember the paralysis in January when it looked like Nolan would be fired but wasn't. Remember that those same conditions exist now, and that the next move will be made by the same people who will have made this move.

Firing Nolan will make you feel good for a couple of minutes, but you'll still have the same nausea, the headache, the limp and the backache by the time Nolan's car leaves the compound for the last time.

THEY DONT GIVE US ANY HOPES....

DFresh77 · Oct 15, 2008

NOLAN WILL BE FIRED ON BYE WEEK FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD!

YEEEEEEE!

Meta4iCAL · Oct 15, 2008

so who is supposed to be the interim?

Rich · Oct 15, 2008

^^^

FINALLY! Interim will most likely be Martz.

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Oct 15, 2008

MooreBlock530 said:

Not the sole reason, the main reason.

MooreBlock530 said:

When did Nate Clements get burned deep for TDs? The only deep TDs the Niners have given up were one against the Patriots (WALT HARRIS' coverage, and HE tripped) and against the Saints (Mark Roman's coverage). Watch the games like you claim you do.

The only TD I even recall Nate Clements giving up was in the first game in a toss up between him and Fitzgerald on like a 7-yard TD at the corner of the endzone. Not many corners are going to win that, sorry.

And on top of that, if Nate WAS getting burned for TDs it would be because Nolan has him playing OFF his man 10 yards deep when he should be utilizing his strengths and having him bump the receiver and allowing him to get physical at the line of scrimmage. There is nothing Nate can do when put in a bad scheme. On top of that, there wouldn't be TIME for ANYONE to get beat deep if Nolan would stop playing a fuckin prevent defense and start putting pressure on the quarterback. PERIOD.

Everyone sees this but you and Mike Nolan. And I do mean EVERYONE, except you two.

MooreBlock530 said:

Yeah, WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. Nolan is a dictator. Since you watch so much football and act like you know everything about coaching, you should know Nolan's style.

MooreBlock530 said:

Is that right? So when Bill Walsh won his first SuperBowl, his team was full of elite players that played well together, right?

Get the fuck outta here. A good coach can make average players look like "elite" players. A bad coach can make great players look like garbage. But hey, you watch more football than me, right? So I guess that means you know more..

LMAO!

MooreBlock530 said:

Here we go.. You have no way of knowing that. But, that's not the first time you've tried to pass your opinion off as fact.

This team did well with less talent than they have now in 06. You know what the difference is? Nolan wasn't completely controlling the defense, and they weren't playing a pansy ass prevent defense. They were playing aggressively. It seems now that Nolan doesn't have anything to do with the offense he has completely taken over the defense, and it's been a change for the worse. But, you should know all of this, you watch more football than anyone.

LMAO @ this guy trying to tell me about MY team when he can't even win an argument with Tony about his own damn team.

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Oct 15, 2008

DFresh77 said:

Rich said:

What are you guys happy about? The great watcher of football says it won't matter. He's the only one that says this, but hey, he watches more football than anyone on here so fuck what the fans, columnists and analysts who get PAID to know about football think. MooreBlock WATCHES more, so his opinion is worth more than everyone else.

Chree · Oct 15, 2008

I would like to see Singletary as interim, and see if he is worthy of keeping as HC for the future, every1 knows how martz fares as HC, so why not let Singletary take over as IHC?

Tony · Oct 16, 2008

FATAL NYGHTMARE said:

LOL... that's true. The only thing he can get on me about is me being an "optimistic" fan who thinks his team is better than they really are (Raiders going 11-5, Javon Walker having a monster year, etc...). You gotta think highly of your squad. Other than that he can't get with me. Yeah he came at me with that "you don't watch as much football as I do" and " you don't know about my team" crap.... only to find out what I said was true (like Kerry eventually replacing Vince, and Lendale White's carries decreasing as Chris Johnson increased).

Ask him what is Lendale "the elite back" is averaging per carry? This mooreblock cat knows nothing about football.

Everyone in the bay knows that Mike Nolan is about to be fired. He's had plenty of time to turn things around and the 49ers haven't gotten any better under Mike Nolan. There is no Al Davis like owner in Frisco so Mike has had control of player personnel and his coaching staff. It's Mike Nolan that is ruining Frisco.

MooreBlock530 · Oct 16, 2008

Tony said:

how is me being optimistic any more bs then you being?

lendale>raiders whole squad.....for lendale being that fuckin weak as you say....there is nothing but a bunch of scrubs on your team...

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once nolan gets fired and niners continue to suck yall will see....

for how good its "spouse" to be the niners d is ranked 26th in passing and and 22nd in rushing with the 26th overall d...

you cant blame only the coach for sucking that bad.....its HAS to be more then a few things to be that close to the bottom...

sometimes you just suck.....alex smith being a bust set that franchise back...when you miss that hard it takes a while to recover.....NO ONE expected niners to be SHIT this year......Nolan.. or not.....

Syko Sniper · Oct 16, 2008

Chree said:

I agree.

I'm guessing Singletary helps the development of players like Willis and he is one player we should base our gameplan on, he came from arguably the best D to ever play (85 bears) and if he was HC I'd hope he'd be more aggressive. I think if you are gonna fail, its better to fail being aggressive than stand off-ish..

my 2 cents

Rich · Oct 16, 2008

MooreBlock530 said:

Of course the 9ers might still be losing after Nolan is gone, because the new coach has to have time to right the ship. He did a great job after Erickson, but he can't step up to the next level. His defensive schemes suck and doesn't put the defense in good position all game. Ever since he's been the head coach the defense has always seemed to stay on the field for most of the game.

What are you talking about? The 9ers weren't expected to do jack this season. They didn't sign a good QB, only a journeyman.

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Oct 16, 2008

MooreBlock530 said:

Due to horrible coaching.

This coaching issue came up LAST YEAR. Everyone expected the Niners to make a playoff run (with a little less talent than they have THIS YEAR) but the offense was inept BECAUSE OF HOSTLER AND NOLAN. Everyone knows that and when they brought in Ted Tollner to "help him out" the team immediately got better, even though Tollner is not even a good Offensive Coach, he just happens to actually know how an offense works. Nolan was still fucking with the offense last season and did not get as involved with the defense as he has this year because of that. This year he has completely taken over and if you watch as many Niner games as you claim you do you have to have noticed we are using completely different schemes - SOFT SCHEMES.

Look, I understand this argument will never end because you refuse to admit Nolan is the main problem with this team. It's OK, I don't need YOU of all people to agree with me. You're a Titans fan in the Bay Area. Your opinion doesn't mean anything to me. I just find it hard to believe that you can't understand WHY Nolan is at fault here.

It was cool debating at first, but now it's getting old. So I'll fold. You win, since you watch so much football, I can't possibly compete, right?

Moving on..

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Oct 16, 2008

Rich said:

Normally I would agree, but in this case we should have won at least 2 of the games we lost. It was bad coaching decisions and horrible defensive schemes that put this team in position to blow those games. Nolan plays "not to lose" as opposed to playing to win. They can bring up JTO's turnovers, but if you watch the games aside from the Cardinals game, JTO's turnovers came mostly during comeback-mode when the pressure was put on him - something he's not ready for yet. If Nolan had allowed the team to be more aggressive we probably would not have had to be in comeback-mode at all. We've been able to hang with all these teams with the exception of the Saints game. This other cat can say we don't have the players to succeed, but that's not true at all. I'm not saying a new coach will come in and then we'll win every game left on the schedule, but we will have a better shot at winning games with a better gameplan installed, especially since we've had great opportunities to win at least half of the games we've lost.

It's really not that hard to comprehend, especially if you watch the games like that cat claims he does.

Fire Mike Nolan.

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