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http://www.kqed.org/topics/news/perspectives/youdecide/pop/incometax/1no.html

Schulz cites five primary points which affirm his organization's belief that income tax is unconstitutional.

1. In 1913, the 16th Amendment was "fraudulently and illegally declared to be ratified" by Secretary of State Philander Knox;
2. There is no law that requires most Americans to "file a tax return, pay the federal income tax or have the tax withheld from their earnings;"

3. People who file a Form 1040 "'voluntarily' waive their 5th Amendment right not to bear witness against themselves;"

4. The IRS "routinely violates citizens' 4th Amendment rights against illegal search and seizure," by failing to properly obtain warrants issued; and

5. The IRS "routinely and grossly violates citizens' due process rights" and "operates far outside the boundaries" of U.S. law.


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But would Congress allow any investigation into this? probably not
 
ReKz

ReKz

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GTS said:
http://www.kqed.org/topics/news/perspectives/youdecide/pop/incometax/1no.html

Schulz cites five primary points which affirm his organization's belief that income tax is unconstitutional.

1. In 1913, the 16th Amendment was "fraudulently and illegally declared to be ratified" by Secretary of State Philander Knox;

2. There is no law that requires most Americans to "file a tax return, pay the federal income tax or have the tax withheld from their earnings;"

3. People who file a Form 1040 "'voluntarily' waive their 5th Amendment right not to bear witness against themselves;"

4. The IRS "routinely violates citizens' 4th Amendment rights against illegal search and seizure," by failing to properly obtain warrants issued; and

5. The IRS "routinely and grossly violates citizens' due process rights" and "operates far outside the boundaries" of U.S. law.
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Responses to each statement (facts, laws, and Supreme Court rulings (which set precedent and affirm constitutionality)):

1. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment16/01.html#1

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_1_of_the_Internal_Revenue_Code

3. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/08.html#1 (read section on Required Records Doctrine)

4. http://www.taxhistory.com/crs/11.html.

5. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=240&invol=1 and http://www.mckenzielaw.com/collecti.html

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Fucky McFuckerson

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ReKz said:
Responses to each statement (facts, laws, and Supreme Court rulings (which set precedent and affirm constitutionality)):

1. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment16/01.html#1

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_1_of_the_Internal_Revenue_Code

3. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/08.html#1 (read section on Required Records Doctrine)

4. http://www.taxhistory.com/crs/11.html.

5. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=240&invol=1 and http://www.mckenzielaw.com/collecti.html

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The IRS isnt a government institution...just like the Federal Reserve is anything BUT Federal....

I watched some movie where they interviewed 2 IRS agents who said they wtintssed people filing against the IRS for wrongly taxing them. When the people asked the IRS agents where it says they have to pay tax in the constitution and brought up all the stuff that the poster did, the agenst had no answer. The agents left the IRS becuase they were baffled at what was brought to their attention...neither have paid taxes since their resignation.

I know people have gone to court about it and all have "lost". The point is, even if it ISNT constitutional, the government BACKS the IRS no matter what. Who do you think loans everyone money? THe Federal Reserve....the same people run the IRS. Imainge that.:ermm:
 
ReKz

ReKz

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Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
The IRS isnt a government institution...just like the Federal Reserve is anything BUT Federal....

I watched some movie where they interviewed 2 IRS age:nts who said they wtintssed people filing against the IRS for wrongly taxing them. When the people asked the IRS agents where it says they have to pay tax in the constitution and brought up all the stuff that the poster did, the agenst had no answer. The agents left the IRS becuase they were baffled at what was brought to their attention...neither have paid taxes since their resignation.

I know people have gone to court about it and all have "lost". The point is, even if it ISNT constitutional, the government BACKS the IRS no matter what. Who do you think loans everyone money? THe Federal Reserve....the same people run the IRS. Imainge that.:ermm:
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The IRS is part of the Department of the Treasury:

"The Internal Revenue Service is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner has general superintendence of the assessment and collection of all taxes imposed by any law providing internal revenue. The Internal Revenue Service is the agency by which these functions are performed."
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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ReKz said:
The IRS is part of the Department of the Treasury:

"The Internal Revenue Service is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner has general superintendence of the assessment and collection of all taxes imposed by any law providing internal revenue. The Internal Revenue Service is the agency by which these functions are performed."
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Its still not an official GOVERNMENT agency...it my be looked OVER by the governmet, but its not an official branch.

Like i said, the IRS and the FRS were founded and run by the same people.
 
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Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
Its still not an official GOVERNMENT agency...it my be looked OVER by the governmet, but its not an official branch.
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How is it not an "official" government agency?
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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Im getting my self mixedup...

Federal Income Tax is said to be ILLEGAL...but the IRS is a federal branch, thats my bad. Whether the 16th Amendment was offcially rattified or not is the major issue in these court cases.
 
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Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
Im getting my self mixedup...

Federal Income Tax is said to be ILLEGAL...but the IRS is a federal branch, thats my bad. Whether the 16th Amendment was offcially rattified or not is the major issue in these court cases.
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The ratification of the 16th amendment is a non-issue. It WAS ratified and adopted. There are numerous court cases where tax protestors presented this argument, in all the cases it was found to have no foundation.


The question that must be asked is: Why wouldn't someone pay or want to pay income taxes?
 
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ReKz said:
The ratification of the 16th amendment is a non-issue. It WAS ratified and adopted. There are numerous court cases where tax protestors presented this argument, in all the cases it was found to have no foundation.


The question that must be asked is: Why wouldn't someone pay or want to pay income taxes?
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If you make any kind of money the shit is disturbing to see how much is taken out. Do you know exactly where it goes too?
 
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GTS said:
If you make any kind of money the shit is disturbing to see how much is taken out. Do you know exactly where it goes too?
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Sure it may look like a lot, but compared to other "developed" countries we pay way less...

That still doesn't answer my question regarding these so-called "tax protestors" and their insistance on income taxes being illegal. They obviously only do it so as to not have to pay taxes, the question is: why shouldn't they or any other person be required to pay taxes? Is taxation not inherent to any form of government?
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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Federal Income is said to go to the Federal Reserves pockets, as schools, roads, and etc are paid state and local taxes, not federal income tax.

Reks-you know how the borrowing of money from the FRS to the government works, right?

I know everyone hates video evidence to back up claims, but this documentary has some interesting infromation in it...take it how you want it, but its here if you want to view it...by all means, watch it with a open mind.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...103&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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2-0-Sixx said:
So companies are paying for the Iraq war and not the general population? no way.

http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm

Where Your income tax money really goes
Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion
MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion
NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion


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Like i said, I am not sure. I was going off what I have heard, and in that video, they talk about military expenses equaling exactly what corporate tax is. I didnt say it was right or that i believed it, simply that is how i understood it.

In all honesty, I dont believe anythign anymore. For all I know, the bankers of the FRS really are pocketing the money. In the grand scheme of things, who cares? Even if you DO go against the system, they will find a way to fuck you...its pretty futile.
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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2-0-Sixx said:
So companies are paying for the Iraq war and not the general population? no way.

http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm

Where Your income tax money really goes
Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion
MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion
NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion
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For all you or I know, this is a lie. If the FRS WAS pocketing the money, would they tell us that? Fuck no.

No on really knows whats going on in this world...only the ones that acutally run it. THats the reality.
 
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