I CAME ACROSS A PIC OF TWO MUTTS FROM FRESNO IN ONE OF MY TEEN ANGEL MAGZ.....BUT I'M CONFUSED NOW...I THOUGHT THEM FOOLS DON'T BANG NORTE?? THE PIC HAS ONE FOOL WITH A "14" ON HIS STOMACH...THE OTHER ONE IS THROWIN UP A FOUR. THERE IS A "BIG F14" TAG BEHIND THEM WITH "NORTE" WRITTEN DOWN IT WITH "BULLDOGS" WRITTEN UNDERNEATH....BASICALLY...IF IT WASN'T FOR THE BULLDOG GEAR OR BULLDOGS TAG I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THEY WAS NORTENOS...ANYBODY DOWN TO EXPLAIN IT FOR ME??? WHEN I GET TO A SCANNER I'LL PUT IT UP...
FC ENE OR ANYBODY FROM FRESNO CO.
- Thread starter BIG OSO LOC
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damn oso this shit gots me twisted too. cause like I said growing up banging norte in Fresno in the early 90's mutts tried to disassociate themselves with red,14,or norte. they overdid it with bulldog gear and say dog like 20 times in one sentence. when I went back to fresno in the late 90's they were tagging F14 alot again. but still I didnt really see them flag red alot. the eastsiders where starting to wear red alot though.
Now that when I go to fresno them mutts wear red chucks, red belts, and flaunt red panos. which is such a trip cause nortenos and mutts back in my day knew that real mutts wouldnt wear those items. I swear it is hard to tell who is a mutt on site if they dont have bulldog gear or tatts. but since I am familiar to the area I can tell right away whose who. cause now nortenos there overdue it with Nebraska , North Carolina, or UNLV gear. we stress the use of "ene" when talking to ourselves. I swear if someone calls us dogs, even if it is a square, we'll take that to offense. We'll be like I aint no dog, ene. I dont live there anymore but WFN West Fresno Norte are some of the truest nortenos I ever came across.
I think that most of the confusion, on who is a mutt and who is an ene, started with the way mutts rep now. I met some mutts at where I worked at in fresno (I dont work there anymore). it was funny cause I would always have a red pano with me and some young mutt started talking to me cause he thought I was a mutt. I didnt get all crazy with him but I let him know I was ene and I could give a fuck about him. I guess he went and spoke to an og mutt. and he learned the game. after that him and his mutt crew would try to make me uncomfortable in there till one day shit popped off and I got fired. the point of this story is that the alot of the younger mutts dont really know the game. they think that mutts are whoever they see with a red rag. they know that they have funk with us, but they dont know why, until they have a talk with an old mutt. so thats why they dont try to disasociate with red or 14.
as for the
F-14, that is the original gang of nortenos in fresno that decided to break away from norte. I saw some older fool with that tatted on his neck, he was with other mutts. they were located in the eastside of fresno in the early 80's. in my younger days, mutts went under this name, then they switched to bulldogs.(they did this to drop the 14) now that the majority of mutts were never nortenos to begin with, they probably dont care or know why they should use 14, but I heard they use it again cause they are warring with surenos. maybe this is why they used 14 in their picture.
as for the norte this makes no sense to me. I mean I aint doubting you. its just that I cant even see why they would use this. are those mutts from another city in the county? cause when enes from the county get locked up, some transform into mutts. not all of them but the weak ones do. I know some of FC Enes homies we ran into when he got out of YA, turned into mutts. they were nortenos. I remember one fool had his shirt off, and he had the famero bird on his chest, the four dots and all. but on his back he had fresno with a mutt head for the "O" in fresno. stupid mutt had two different rival gangs tatted on his body. alot of ex enes have both tats.
like I said it is very confusing thats why I could give a fuck about mutts. I hate those motha fuckas the most. it seems that on the streets they are nortenos cause all the red and 14 and they funk with scraps. but real nortenos funk with them all the time, especialy if they used to be enes. also like I said this is a trip cause back in my day it seemed like it was forbidden to try to associate with 14 or red. the norte in the picture I have no idea.
hope I cleared shit up.
Now that when I go to fresno them mutts wear red chucks, red belts, and flaunt red panos. which is such a trip cause nortenos and mutts back in my day knew that real mutts wouldnt wear those items. I swear it is hard to tell who is a mutt on site if they dont have bulldog gear or tatts. but since I am familiar to the area I can tell right away whose who. cause now nortenos there overdue it with Nebraska , North Carolina, or UNLV gear. we stress the use of "ene" when talking to ourselves. I swear if someone calls us dogs, even if it is a square, we'll take that to offense. We'll be like I aint no dog, ene. I dont live there anymore but WFN West Fresno Norte are some of the truest nortenos I ever came across.
I think that most of the confusion, on who is a mutt and who is an ene, started with the way mutts rep now. I met some mutts at where I worked at in fresno (I dont work there anymore). it was funny cause I would always have a red pano with me and some young mutt started talking to me cause he thought I was a mutt. I didnt get all crazy with him but I let him know I was ene and I could give a fuck about him. I guess he went and spoke to an og mutt. and he learned the game. after that him and his mutt crew would try to make me uncomfortable in there till one day shit popped off and I got fired. the point of this story is that the alot of the younger mutts dont really know the game. they think that mutts are whoever they see with a red rag. they know that they have funk with us, but they dont know why, until they have a talk with an old mutt. so thats why they dont try to disasociate with red or 14.
as for the
F-14, that is the original gang of nortenos in fresno that decided to break away from norte. I saw some older fool with that tatted on his neck, he was with other mutts. they were located in the eastside of fresno in the early 80's. in my younger days, mutts went under this name, then they switched to bulldogs.(they did this to drop the 14) now that the majority of mutts were never nortenos to begin with, they probably dont care or know why they should use 14, but I heard they use it again cause they are warring with surenos. maybe this is why they used 14 in their picture.
as for the norte this makes no sense to me. I mean I aint doubting you. its just that I cant even see why they would use this. are those mutts from another city in the county? cause when enes from the county get locked up, some transform into mutts. not all of them but the weak ones do. I know some of FC Enes homies we ran into when he got out of YA, turned into mutts. they were nortenos. I remember one fool had his shirt off, and he had the famero bird on his chest, the four dots and all. but on his back he had fresno with a mutt head for the "O" in fresno. stupid mutt had two different rival gangs tatted on his body. alot of ex enes have both tats.
like I said it is very confusing thats why I could give a fuck about mutts. I hate those motha fuckas the most. it seems that on the streets they are nortenos cause all the red and 14 and they funk with scraps. but real nortenos funk with them all the time, especialy if they used to be enes. also like I said this is a trip cause back in my day it seemed like it was forbidden to try to associate with 14 or red. the norte in the picture I have no idea.
hope I cleared shit up.
THE PIC IS KIND OF OLD...AND ONE OF THEM IS AN O.G. PROBABLY IN HIS EARLY 30'S....SO MAYBE THE 14 ON HIS STOMACH WAS FROM BEFORE HE RANKED OUT....BUT THE OTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE HE'S 26 OR SO AND HE'S THROWIN UP A FOUR...WHICH ONLY NORTENO HOMEBOYS THROW UP WHICH CONFUSED ME...I'M A GET TO A SCANNER AND POST UP THE PIC SO YOU CAN SEE IT!!
yeah that guy throwing up the four kinda gots me confused. that to me is like hearing an ene saying dog(if they are from the fresno area). in other words they shouldnt be throwing it up. another thing is that I heard now that mutts are mutts and not ranked out enes, Ive heard b4 that sometimes they kick it on very limited terms. I dont believe this but I heard of this, maybe this is what this picture is. a mutt and a fake ene kicking it.
Thats why I post so much about mutts. I want all the ene homies to know that they are rivals and it should be on sight dont let the red and the 14's confuse you. they are based on the idea of ranking out on norte and getting as many of the current ones to rank out to. I never want to ever be confused with being a mutt. I wont take the FRESNO tatt on my self, thats why I tatted NORTENO on bottom of it. so there will never be any confusion. plus I never say dog or call someone that, I never wear any bulldog gear.
Thats why I post so much about mutts. I want all the ene homies to know that they are rivals and it should be on sight dont let the red and the 14's confuse you. they are based on the idea of ranking out on norte and getting as many of the current ones to rank out to. I never want to ever be confused with being a mutt. I wont take the FRESNO tatt on my self, thats why I tatted NORTENO on bottom of it. so there will never be any confusion. plus I never say dog or call someone that, I never wear any bulldog gear.
I recall that teenangels picture.
That's the one where the OG is wearing
traumados made of a red pano right?
F14 stands for Fresno 14. Their own car.
Norte is X4 or XIV.
Hence XIVRS true ENE's.
14ers are Fresno Bulldogs.
Both are red though.
Lots of homeboys have the One-Four tatted somewhere
but that's ok. That was before bullfrogs took the 14.
That's a Fresno thing that evolved.
If you wanna get a Norte tat, get XIV or X4. Not 14.
That's the one where the OG is wearing
traumados made of a red pano right?
F14 stands for Fresno 14. Their own car.
Norte is X4 or XIV.
Hence XIVRS true ENE's.
14ers are Fresno Bulldogs.
Both are red though.
Lots of homeboys have the One-Four tatted somewhere
but that's ok. That was before bullfrogs took the 14.
That's a Fresno thing that evolved.
If you wanna get a Norte tat, get XIV or X4. Not 14.
MUTTZ TO ME SOUND LIKE THEM FOOLS FROM LA CALLED MARA VILLAS THEY BANG THAT 13 AN THE SOUTH YET THEY AINT DOWN WITH ANY BARRIOS IN LA THEY STAY ALONE,MY CUZZ WHOS A BLACCICAN AN IS A CRIP FROM NH ROLLIN 90'S CRIP IN LA AND IS LOCCED UP IN STARKS YA IN CHINO,SAID THEIRS MUTTZ IN THERE.ALSO MY PRIMO FROM DELANO SAID THEIRS HELLA MUTTZ IN PLEASANT VALLEY STATE PRISON....
Drew from Darkroom rapped about mutts. its just hard to pick out.
"bow wow wow yippie yow yippe what/ fuck that shit I aint no MUTT/a piece of shit get out my cara/ perpetrating scrapa take off that red sweater".............from the GUN album
"I fear no leva/ Im from MADERA/ fuck a scrapa and a perra/........I'm a Gunner
and what year is that teenangels from cause the confused years(when they did not know whether to be a F14 or XIV) was in the late 80's and early 90's, atleast in Fresno. Cause at least my Veteranos told me that when Fresno Enes ranked out they didn't know wheter they were F-14 or Norte. that bulldog name came when the confusion stopped, cause thats what they called themselves so there would be no confusion.
As far as alot of mutts in YA that shit was going on when I was in there in like mid nineties. alot of them where from fresno but it kinda became a common ground for people who where from Fresno County. You see if you dont bang in there or dont have a group, you virtually have to pick one for survival. so alot of non bangers from fresno county where like joining for survival. fuck that thats how me and Carlos (FC Ene) met. I was rolling with norte in there. and one day he went up to me and told me how enes werent showing respect cause he was from REEDLEY, which is Fresno county. he was the Fresno tatt on me so he knew I probably went through that same shit.
See now in the city of Fresno mutts younger than 28 were probably never enes to begin with. (still they get no love from me) but enes from Fresno county are more like to be ex enes if they transformed to mutts.
and the shit about F-14 being their car I heard that from a veterano too. he said other enes back in the eighties would ask why dont enes from fresno use N-14 like most other cars used in that time. so I guess there was always tension from Fresno.
As far as Nortenos that said fuck F-14 yeah there was especially in the beginning. remember the whole immediate break up was caused by a group of F-14s that did not handle what they were supposed to. WFN is a norteno hood in Fresno and they are always putting in work. I hear that there are the chicali boys too. and there are various enes scattered in Fresno. I used to be Illinois F14 back in my day stupid ass crew switched I never did. fuck a mutt. ranked out enes. and also I was taught that 14 could stand for norte or Fresno so being that I was in Fresno I never would write or say 14.
"bow wow wow yippie yow yippe what/ fuck that shit I aint no MUTT/a piece of shit get out my cara/ perpetrating scrapa take off that red sweater".............from the GUN album
"I fear no leva/ Im from MADERA/ fuck a scrapa and a perra/........I'm a Gunner
and what year is that teenangels from cause the confused years(when they did not know whether to be a F14 or XIV) was in the late 80's and early 90's, atleast in Fresno. Cause at least my Veteranos told me that when Fresno Enes ranked out they didn't know wheter they were F-14 or Norte. that bulldog name came when the confusion stopped, cause thats what they called themselves so there would be no confusion.
As far as alot of mutts in YA that shit was going on when I was in there in like mid nineties. alot of them where from fresno but it kinda became a common ground for people who where from Fresno County. You see if you dont bang in there or dont have a group, you virtually have to pick one for survival. so alot of non bangers from fresno county where like joining for survival. fuck that thats how me and Carlos (FC Ene) met. I was rolling with norte in there. and one day he went up to me and told me how enes werent showing respect cause he was from REEDLEY, which is Fresno county. he was the Fresno tatt on me so he knew I probably went through that same shit.
See now in the city of Fresno mutts younger than 28 were probably never enes to begin with. (still they get no love from me) but enes from Fresno county are more like to be ex enes if they transformed to mutts.
and the shit about F-14 being their car I heard that from a veterano too. he said other enes back in the eighties would ask why dont enes from fresno use N-14 like most other cars used in that time. so I guess there was always tension from Fresno.
As far as Nortenos that said fuck F-14 yeah there was especially in the beginning. remember the whole immediate break up was caused by a group of F-14s that did not handle what they were supposed to. WFN is a norteno hood in Fresno and they are always putting in work. I hear that there are the chicali boys too. and there are various enes scattered in Fresno. I used to be Illinois F14 back in my day stupid ass crew switched I never did. fuck a mutt. ranked out enes. and also I was taught that 14 could stand for norte or Fresno so being that I was in Fresno I never would write or say 14.
I may be completly wrong but from what I see over here mutts are not all the same like it sounds people believe they are. Their mission is that they are cholos from fresno that dont need to answer or pay taxes to sur or norte. I only really see older fools that still use F14 for tatts. some younger mutts like those tatts cause it makes them look like they know everything (like the past of their gang).
As far as hoods the East side which is the biggest one those mutts are more into tatts to rep. they wear a little red but they have paws and mutt faces tatted all over their body.
hoods on the east side but that arent banging east tend to look like LA style cholos. they overdue it with dickies and changos. shaved heads and pendaltons.
Parkside mutts look the most like nortenos cause they are flamed up and dont really wear alot of Fresno state gear. Sometimes I go to a club that is cool on tuesdays and its like in the middle of their hood. when the clubs out they are all outside. yelling out parkside and shit. they kinda havent been out after the club lately because their are like 5 cops outside the vecinty of the club and when shit pops out its like a APB is called. to me atleast these are mutts that are the hardest to distinguish from an ene.
central mutts are the also likely to be flamed up. especially with jerseys. It looks like all of them wear fresno state jerseys. and red panos on their necks. with red chucks.
mutts on the west are scrap looking mutts they are like always in sweats and shit. they really dont flaunt red cause nortenos are deeper there and they dont flame up cause norte does.
In lock up I rarely saw any mutts cause of separation. but you know how word gets around. everyone said they all had paws and dog faces for tatts never did I hear about 14's. plus they always supposed bark at night b4 lights out so everyone know thay are there.
Like I said I wanna know the date of the mag, and if those mutts are from Fresno. cause the 14 it seems like they left that shit alone and started to pick up red. like at car shows mutts have red belts, chucks, panos, and laces. they seem to all get along too. which is a trip cause their hoods dont have a working relationship on the streets (like LA style). although the years of confusion has left fresno, the county itself is starting to have confusion again. alot of enes are transforming to mutts cause like I said it seems to be like inmates view it as a thing they should join if they from the county, and alot of them dont know what they are about. so you see COUNTY MUTTS (which are the new wave of ex-enes) may be the ones in that mag
As far as hoods the East side which is the biggest one those mutts are more into tatts to rep. they wear a little red but they have paws and mutt faces tatted all over their body.
hoods on the east side but that arent banging east tend to look like LA style cholos. they overdue it with dickies and changos. shaved heads and pendaltons.
Parkside mutts look the most like nortenos cause they are flamed up and dont really wear alot of Fresno state gear. Sometimes I go to a club that is cool on tuesdays and its like in the middle of their hood. when the clubs out they are all outside. yelling out parkside and shit. they kinda havent been out after the club lately because their are like 5 cops outside the vecinty of the club and when shit pops out its like a APB is called. to me atleast these are mutts that are the hardest to distinguish from an ene.
central mutts are the also likely to be flamed up. especially with jerseys. It looks like all of them wear fresno state jerseys. and red panos on their necks. with red chucks.
mutts on the west are scrap looking mutts they are like always in sweats and shit. they really dont flaunt red cause nortenos are deeper there and they dont flame up cause norte does.
In lock up I rarely saw any mutts cause of separation. but you know how word gets around. everyone said they all had paws and dog faces for tatts never did I hear about 14's. plus they always supposed bark at night b4 lights out so everyone know thay are there.
Like I said I wanna know the date of the mag, and if those mutts are from Fresno. cause the 14 it seems like they left that shit alone and started to pick up red. like at car shows mutts have red belts, chucks, panos, and laces. they seem to all get along too. which is a trip cause their hoods dont have a working relationship on the streets (like LA style). although the years of confusion has left fresno, the county itself is starting to have confusion again. alot of enes are transforming to mutts cause like I said it seems to be like inmates view it as a thing they should join if they from the county, and alot of them dont know what they are about. so you see COUNTY MUTTS (which are the new wave of ex-enes) may be the ones in that mag
yeah like I said I was growing up in Fresno the nortenos there were like we norte xiv. and mutts were like fuck that we 14 still probably to piss us off, who knows. but know in fresno atleast that really isnt a factor.
yeah the bulldog nation was a big thing like in the early 90's. cause it was barly starting and they wanted to show they could start a new thang. they were hell of unified too, they didnt give a fuck what side a mutt was they were unified against the resisters (loyal enes) so they had to be a nation. then they grew in numbers and varrios were established. they even tried to start a form of leadership in their gang, but that led to war cause each hood wanted they hood more represented in the leadership.
now on the street they may unify against a scrap or ene, but they hoods are still at war. Parkside always likes putting in work on the eastside cause they wanna be known as the hardest hood. at events like concerts and shit they put bullshit aside and try to stick together but the minute on barks out their varrio they start shit with eachother.
so thats why to me atleast they don't really rep 14 or stress that bulldog nation that much anymore.
damn I wish Deebo or someone else from Fresno county would add, cause I can only tell what I see.
yeah the bulldog nation was a big thing like in the early 90's. cause it was barly starting and they wanted to show they could start a new thang. they were hell of unified too, they didnt give a fuck what side a mutt was they were unified against the resisters (loyal enes) so they had to be a nation. then they grew in numbers and varrios were established. they even tried to start a form of leadership in their gang, but that led to war cause each hood wanted they hood more represented in the leadership.
now on the street they may unify against a scrap or ene, but they hoods are still at war. Parkside always likes putting in work on the eastside cause they wanna be known as the hardest hood. at events like concerts and shit they put bullshit aside and try to stick together but the minute on barks out their varrio they start shit with eachother.
so thats why to me atleast they don't really rep 14 or stress that bulldog nation that much anymore.
damn I wish Deebo or someone else from Fresno county would add, cause I can only tell what I see.
simon when i was living in fresno county a lot of crews were still banging F14--it does not represent norte they just rep F14 cuz it was the OG crew in fresno...like stated above F14 used 2 be northerners but not no more...
also like FC said a lot of nortenos are getting turned out in county which is over run by mutts
also like FC said a lot of nortenos are getting turned out in county which is over run by mutts
MUTTS GET STOMPED ON IN FRESNO COUNTY
SHIT ONLY THING I KNOW MUTTS GET STOMPED IN REEDLEY.SHIT ONE GOT STOMPED ON THIS LAST SATURDAY.A BITCH ASS COUNTY DOG FROM ORANGE COVE.OH WELL HE SHOULD OF NOT WENT HE WAS A YOUNGSTER TOO LIKE 15 YRS OLD.HE TRIED TO STAB A HOMEY BUT HOMEBOYS FUCKED HIM UP BAD WITH HELP FROM SOME DINA HOMIES
SHIT ONLY THING I KNOW MUTTS GET STOMPED IN REEDLEY.SHIT ONE GOT STOMPED ON THIS LAST SATURDAY.A BITCH ASS COUNTY DOG FROM ORANGE COVE.OH WELL HE SHOULD OF NOT WENT HE WAS A YOUNGSTER TOO LIKE 15 YRS OLD.HE TRIED TO STAB A HOMEY BUT HOMEBOYS FUCKED HIM UP BAD WITH HELP FROM SOME DINA HOMIES
Seen some homies the other day and got to talking and shit. They told me that in the pen F-14 stil kind of applies but that it died down in the streets. Its about ESF, HWC, PSF, WSF- BDS and shit like that. their are however some fools that still sport F-14 tatts. Homies told me they do that to look harder to their ogs, kinda showing them that they know whats up. they said its kind of how homies sport the huelga bird.
Also some homie stepped out the Salinas pen and he said that like five mutts were trying to start a take over in the pen. they tried recruiting others and they got smashed on. Fuck them. and yeah the 50's know so I didnt leak shit out.
Ha and on of those mutts had Illinois st. tatted on him just like me. stupid ass mark, that motha fucka would scream norte fuck sur. and now he trying to ride for the enemy. He was a couple of years younger than me. now the fool has a mutt face on the back of his head.
and fuck fresno county mutts those are the worst ones. they rank out on they homies cause they cant take a few nights in the pen. Fuck Orange cove Ive heard nothing but ranker status about them. hey Deebo whats VOCR, cause my homie said some stupid ass couldnt ride with the cause in the walls and then went to mutt he was from Orange cove got smashed on in Salinas pen. thought youd laugh about that one. he was an older fool.
Also some homie stepped out the Salinas pen and he said that like five mutts were trying to start a take over in the pen. they tried recruiting others and they got smashed on. Fuck them. and yeah the 50's know so I didnt leak shit out.
Ha and on of those mutts had Illinois st. tatted on him just like me. stupid ass mark, that motha fucka would scream norte fuck sur. and now he trying to ride for the enemy. He was a couple of years younger than me. now the fool has a mutt face on the back of his head.
and fuck fresno county mutts those are the worst ones. they rank out on they homies cause they cant take a few nights in the pen. Fuck Orange cove Ive heard nothing but ranker status about them. hey Deebo whats VOCR, cause my homie said some stupid ass couldnt ride with the cause in the walls and then went to mutt he was from Orange cove got smashed on in Salinas pen. thought youd laugh about that one. he was an older fool.