manne, i like my pants to be extra stiff and shit, just looks cleaner and crisp but after a few washes my pants lose the stiffness. i try using that spray starch shit but it doesn't work and i've gone old school style and used corn starch but it leaves white spots of excess corn starch. i know i can always take it to professional cleaners but i can't be doing that on the daily for my clothes or my bills will stack. so do one better and do it yourself. what products is there to use besides that spray shit?? i don't live in the states so hopefully anyone who suggest some product here that it will be available also where i am residing.