Expelled The Movie: No Intelligence Allowed

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ThaG

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This is getting more and more attention so I had to make a thread about it:

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

Starring: Richard Dawkins, Eugene C. Scott, PZ Myers, etc.

Yes, that's right, and it's interesting to know how they tricked them to agree to appear in the movie:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/science/27expelled.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&ref=us

Scientists Feel Miscast in Film on Life’s Origin

By CORNELIA DEAN
Published: September 27, 2007

A few months ago, the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins received an e-mail message from a producer at Rampant Films inviting him to be interviewed for a documentary called “Crossroads.”

The film, with Ben Stein, the actor, economist and freelance columnist, as its host, is described on Rampant’s Web site as an examination of the intersection of science and religion. Dr. Dawkins was an obvious choice. An eminent scientist who teaches at Oxford University in England, he is also an outspoken atheist who has repeatedly likened religious faith to a mental defect.

But now, Dr. Dawkins and other scientists who agreed to be interviewed say they are surprised — and in some cases, angered — to find themselves not in “Crossroads” but in a film with a new name and one that makes the case for intelligent design, an ideological cousin of creationism. The film, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” also has a different producer, Premise Media.

The film is described in its online trailer as “a startling revelation that freedom of thought and freedom of inquiry have been expelled from publicly-funded high schools, universities and research institutions.” According to its Web site, the film asserts that people in academia who see evidence of a supernatural intelligence in biological processes have unfairly lost their jobs, been denied tenure or suffered other penalties as part of a scientific conspiracy to keep God out of the nation’s laboratories and classrooms.

Mr. Stein appears in the film’s trailer, backed by the rock anthem “Bad to the Bone,” declaring that he wants to unmask “people out there who want to keep science in a little box where it can’t possibly touch God.”

If he had known the film’s premise, Dr. Dawkins said in an e-mail message, he would never have appeared in it. “At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front,” he said.

Eugenie C. Scott, a physical anthropologist who heads the National Center for Science Education, said she agreed to be filmed after receiving what she described as a deceptive invitation.

“I have certainly been taped by people and appeared in productions where people’s views are different than mine, and that’s fine,” Dr. Scott said, adding that she would have appeared in the film anyway. “I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren’t.”

The growing furor over the movie, visible in blogs, on Web sites and in conversations among scientists, is the latest episode in the long-running conflict between science and advocates of intelligent design, who assert that the theory of evolution has obvious scientific flaws and that students should learn that intelligent design, a creationist idea, is an alternative approach.

There is no credible scientific challenge to the theory of evolution as an explanation for the complexity and diversity of life on earth. And while individual scientists may embrace religious faith, the scientific enterprise looks to nature to answer questions about nature. As scientists at Iowa State University put it last year, supernatural explanations are “not within the scope or abilities of science.”

Mr. Stein, a freelance columnist who writes Everybody’s Business for The New York Times, conducts the film’s on-camera interviews. The interviews were lined up for him by others, and he denied misleading anyone. “I don’t remember a single person asking me what the movie was about,” he said in a telephone interview.

Walt Ruloff, a producer and partner in Premise Media, also denied that there was any deception. Mr. Ruloff said in a telephone interview that Rampant Films was a Premise subsidiary, and that the movie’s title was changed on the advice of marketing experts, something he said was routine in filmmaking. He said the film would open in February and would not be available for previews until January.

Judging from material posted online and interviews with people who appear in the film, it cites several people as victims of persecution, including Richard Sternberg, a biologist and an unpaid research associate at the National Museum of Natural History, and Guillermo Gonzalez, an astrophysicist denied tenure at Iowa State University this year.

Dr. Sternberg was at the center of a controversy over a paper published in 2004 in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, a peer-reviewed publication he edited at the time. The paper contended that an intelligent agent was a better explanation than evolution for the so-called Cambrian explosion, a great diversification of life forms that occurred hundreds of millions of years ago.

The paper’s appearance in a peer-reviewed journal was a coup for intelligent design advocates, but the Council of the Biological Society of Washington, which publishes the journal, almost immediately repudiated it, saying it had appeared without adequate review.

Dr. Gonzalez is an astrophysicist and co-author of “The Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery” (Regnery, 2004). The book asserts that earth’s ability to support complex life is a result of supernatural intervention.

Dr. Gonzalez’s supporters say his views cost him tenure at Iowa State. University officials said their decision was based, among other things, on his record of scientific publications while he was at the university.

Mr. Stein, a prolific author who has acted in movies like “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” and appeared on television programs including “Win Ben Stein’s Money” on Comedy Central, said in a telephone interview that he accepted the producers’ invitation to participate in the film not because he disavows the theory of evolution — he said there was a “very high likelihood” that Darwin was on to something — but because he does not accept that evolution alone can explain life on earth.

He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers. If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called “From Darwin to Hitler.”

On a blog on the “Expelled” Web site, one writer praised Mr. Stein as “a public-intellectual-freedom-fighter” who was taking on “a tough topic with a bit of humor.” Others rejected the film’s arguments as “stupid,” “fallacious” or “moronic,” or described intelligent design as the equivalent of suggesting that the markets moved “at the whim of a monetary fairy.”

Mr. Ruloff, a Canadian who lives in British Columbia, said he turned to filmmaking after selling his software company in the 1990s. He said he decided to make “Expelled,” his first project, after he became interested in genomics and biotechnology but discovered “there are certain questions you are just not allowed to ask and certain approaches you are just not allowed to take.”

He said he knew researchers, whom he would not name, who had studied cellular mechanisms and made findings “riddled with metaphysical implications” and suggestive of an intelligent designer. But they are afraid to report them, he said.

Mr. Ruloff also cited Dr. Francis S. Collins, a geneticist who directs the National Human Genome Research Institute and whose book, “The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief” (Simon & Schuster, 2006), explains how he came to embrace his Christian faith. Dr. Collins separates his religious beliefs from his scientific work only because “he is toeing the party line,” Mr. Ruloff said.

That’s “just ludicrous,” Dr. Collins said in a telephone interview. While many of his scientific colleagues are not religious and some are “a bit puzzled” by his faith, he said, “they are generally very respectful.” He said that if the problem Mr. Ruloff describes existed, he is certain he would know about it.

Dr. Collins was not asked to participate in the film.

Another scientist who was, P. Z. Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota, Morris, said the film’s producers had misrepresented its purpose, but said he would have agreed to an interview anyway. But, he said in a posting on The Panda’s Thumb Web site, he would have made a “more aggressive” attack on the claims of the movie.

Dr. Scott, whose organization advocates for the teaching of evolution and against what it calls the intrusion of creationism and other religious doctrines in science classes, said the filmmakers were exploiting Americans’ sense of fairness as a way to sell their religious views. She said she feared the film would depict “the scientific community as intolerant, as close-minded, and as persecuting those who disagree with them. And this is simply wrong.”
more info here:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/...ar.php?utm_source=mostemailed&utm_medium=link




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This is exciting.

Like...watching condensation form.

Do I think this makes any real implication about the "ID" community? No. Do I think the grand trickery of inviting the royal Mr. Dawkins on false pretenses is anything to throw a molotov cocktail about? No.

Then again I could really care less about the whole Creation / Evolution debate.
 
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the theory of evolution creates racism?

isnt the explanation for different languages given by those who believe in a creator that the different races couldnt get along so god twisted their tongues in different ways so they couldnt understand each other and would eventually split up?
 
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the.know.how said:
the theory of evolution creates racism?

isnt the explanation for different languages given by those who believe in a creator that the different races couldnt get along so god twisted their tongues in different ways so they couldnt understand each other and would eventually split up?

yeah dumb stupid hicks where i used to live would always be sayin "oh its survival of the fittest" and since black people used to be slaves they would use that as their excuse for their ridiculous racism towards black people in the town.....

they would be racist whether or not they knew the saying "survival of the fittest"
so yeah.....just some stupid shit the christian conservatives bring up during a debate they are losing, and have BEEN losing....


but i have a feeling this movie is gonna be a HUGE hit with all the christians, and gonna make all this money and it will just be a joke....stupid propaganda that is disguised as "debating" an "issue" at hand....
 

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yeah dumb stupid hicks where i used to live would always be sayin "oh its survival of the fittest" and since black people used to be slaves they would use that as their excuse for their ridiculous racism towards black people in the town.....

they would be racist whether or not they knew the saying "survival of the fittest"
so yeah.....just some stupid shit the christian conservatives bring up during a debate they are losing, and have BEEN losing....


but i have a feeling this movie is gonna be a HUGE hit with all the christians, and gonna make all this money and it will just be a joke....stupid propaganda that is disguised as "debating" an "issue" at hand....

Sigh...

People who say that evolutionary theory justifies racism are just as dumb and ignorant as those who don't believe in evolution

Same thing with people who use this excuse to justify their unwillingness to educate themselves about science....

The last thing any real biologist/scientist thinks about when doing his research is racism

Modern biology tells you that you are actually not much superior to invertebrates and even plants in your biochemical complexity and that humans are not on the top of the evolutionary ladder as they so much like to think is the case, quite the opposite, we're simply one of the small branches of the huge tree of life. And we're not the masters of the planet, insects and bacteria are...

How do you think people in that mode of thought could be racist???



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exactly^

just stupid ignorant hicks attempting to sound smart when they are losing a argument....

i actually was debating about the roots of racism and we were discussing it, and someone tried to actually make an argument with that line...it was bullshit, and the teacher made him leave the classroom....he shouldn't have been allowed to even be in school...he kept sayin stupid shit like that..
 
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Not too shocking considering that Ben Stein is a huge piece of shit. He is a hardcore Bush supporter/defender, Iraq war supporter, etc.

He has said insane statements like:

"Bush is going to go down in history as one of the greatest peacemakers and democracy-builders in the history of the world." (He also said Nixon was a great peacemaker as well)

"George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane [Katrina]."

"There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists."

"George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell."

Ben Stein was also a speechwriter for Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
 
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It's insane because no one thinks George Bush created Katrina. He was criticized for how he handled the disaster, not for creating a hurricane.

Another good quote:

George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.
 

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a lengthier preview:



this is going to be a good piece of propaganda, too bad a lot of simple-minded people will believe it...
 
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a lengthier preview:



this is going to be a good piece of propaganda, too bad a lot of simple-minded people will believe it...
the word propaganda is overused, its used to describe anything you dont think is true, you can call anything propaganda honestly.
 
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lol
wtf is this suppose to be a comedy?
that preview hella poked fun at his old role in ferris bueller's day off.


haha i love how they cut what evolutionary scientists and those other people were saying...
i'd like to see what the rest of their sentence was like..