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ispeakthetruth

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Entertain the idea.. science & religion...
Religion was meant to keep order. without religion and the bible, If it was all a story the world would self destruct. It would be crazy. The shit people refrain from doing because they believe its against gods laws and other religious practices people would most likely begin to do.
Killing, rape, robbery etc etc.................................
 
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They do that in the name of religion, too. And that's not just the middle east type thing, the Aztecs, Egyptians, Christians, Jews etc. I've heard what you're saying many times but there's no way to actually find out unless you find a place where no one believes in religion.
 

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Entertain the idea.. science & religion...
Religion was meant to keep order. without religion and the bible, If it was all a story the world would self destruct. It would be crazy. The shit people refrain from doing because they believe its against gods laws and other religious practices people would most likely begin to do.
Killing, rape, robbery etc etc.................................
you sir do in fact speak the truth.
 
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IMO every culture in time has believed in some higher being. The History Channel has this one program ,about aliens and religion in early history. Shit was hella trippy.
 
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How did these morals develop?
How did humans generally begin to start thinking out of the box?
Its nature..just like a lioness protects her cubs. If u try to steal a lions food i garauntee youll get bit..not cause god told the lion thow shall not steal but because its common sense. just like i dont think its rite to kill yet i dont believe in god..
i posted this video before but i think it should be watched again

 
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Its nature..just like a lioness protects her cubs. If u try to steal a lions food i garauntee youll get bit..not cause god told the lion thow shall not steal but because its common sense. just like i dont think its rite to kill yet i dont believe in god..
i posted this video before but i think it should be watched again

I wasn't asking why morals don't come from the bible or any religious book for the matter. I was just asking about the process of how morals were formed. Sorry for not being clear on that. Thanks for the video, I'll look into it.
 
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being good has nothing to do with anything , its taught not inherent in people . thats what some people on this board say
Behavior is taught by actions, not words. So no matter how many times your parents, friends, or anyone for that matter told you to do something and decided to be a hypocrite, you were influenced by the action, not the words.
 

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I wasn't asking why morals don't come from the bible or any religious book for the matter. I was just asking about the process of how morals were formed. Sorry for not being clear on that. Thanks for the video, I'll look into it.
"Morals" were formed because at some point in out evolution the subject of natural selection switched from the individuals to groups. What we call "morals " was beneficial and later it was incorporated into religion. As was the "us vs them" mentality and many other not so good for humanity as a whole, but useful for the group things.
 
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"Morals" were formed because at some point in out evolution the subject of natural selection switched from the individuals to groups. What we call "morals " was beneficial and later it was incorporated into religion. As was the "us vs them" mentality and many other not so good for humanity as a whole, but useful for the group things.


Basically, in really general terms, millions of years ago two hominids (hominidae) (or even further back really) were competing for resources. One was entirely motivated by selfish impulses while the other began to develop altruistic tendencies to help his kin when it could benefit him.

The one that was able to cooperate was more successful and therefore was more likely to pass on his genes and that characteristic to the next generation, while the one with no altruistic tendencies was less likely to pass on his genes to the next generation and therefore his selfish tendencies.

However, it is important to note that our altruistic tendencies are generally present when they can benefit us in some way (directly in our interest), so people generally would not be expected to engage in completely selfless deeds.

Basically, if you expend energy on someone else with a low likelihood of energy in return or a scenario where the sum is not greater than the parts, then you would be increasing the fitness of another while decreasing your own. Those with the greater energy expended on their survival would be more likely to survive, while those with the lower energy expended would be less likely to survive.

We learned to work together for our own (selfish) benefit.

We have also developed mechanisms to deal with those who would take advantage of our altruistic tendencies while not reciprocating, which is why if you do a good dead for someone and they blatantly do not return the favor it can be so infuriating and why the majority of people tend to despise freeloaders.
 
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Basically, in really general terms, millions of years ago two hominids (hominidae) (or even further back really) were competing for resources. One was entirely motivated by selfish impulses while the other began to develop altruistic tendencies to help his kin when it could benefit him.

The one that was able to cooperate was more successful and therefore was more likely to pass on his genes and that characteristic to the next generation, while the one with no altruistic tendencies was less likely to pass on his genes to the next generation and therefore his selfish tendencies.

However, it is important to note that our altruistic tendencies are generally present when they can benefit us in some way (directly in our interest), so people generally would not be expected to engage in completely selfless deeds.

Basically, if you expend energy on someone else with a low likelihood of energy in return or a scenario where the sum is not greater than the parts, then you would be increasing the fitness of another while decreasing your own. Those with the greater energy expended on their survival would be more likely to survive, while those with the lower energy expended would be less likely to survive.

We learned to work together for our own (selfish) benefit.

We have also developed mechanisms to deal with those who would take advantage of our altruistic tendencies while not reciprocating, which is why if you do a good dead for someone and they blatantly do not return the favor it can be so infuriating and why the majority of people tend to despise freeloaders.
Agreed.

Even folks who help out doing volunteer work still get back satisfaction in what they did...which is STILL technically getting something in return. Even though they helped someone in need, they feel good that the other person is grateful for that help. If no gratuity is given for such act, the person helping feels not only dissatisfied, but also would think twice about helping again.

Of course, this is all in general terms...there are always exception to every rule.