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Dow below 7,000

Blue-chip measure drops to levels not seen since 1997 as AIG reports biggest quarterly loss in corporate history, government revamps rescue.

By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: March 2, 2009: 5:26 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks tumbled Monday, with the Dow and S&P 500 falling to 12-year lows after insurance company American International Group's huge quarterly loss added to worries about the financial sector and the economy.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) lost almost 300 points, or 4.2% to end at 6763.29, its lowest point since April 25, 1997.

The S&P 500 (SPX) index lost 34 points, or 4.7%, ending at 700.82, its lowest close since Oct. 28, 1996.

The Nasdaq composite (COMP) lost 55 points, or 4% to end at 1322.85. The tech-fueled Nasdaq has held up better than the other major averages this year and remains above its close of 1316.12 from Nov. 20, 2008.

The stock losses Monday were in response to AIG, but also a continuation of the worries about the financial sector and the economy, said Bill Stone, chief investment strategist at PNC Financial Services.

"There are reverberations from AIG and also the continued uncertainty around the financial sector as a whole, which is the chorus that never ends," he said.

"That's paired with the second chorus that never ends - the weakness of the global economy," he said. "It's reflected in the weakness in the industrial, material and energy stocks today."

Investors also remain wary about the various government initiatives to try to stem the recession, announced over the last few weeks, said Mark Travis, president and CEO at Intrepid Capital Funds. They include the newest bank bailout plan, the $787 billion economic stimulus plan and the $75 billion mortgage modification plan.

"The administration is hemming and hawing and still not being clear about exactly what they are going to do and how it's going to work," he said.

Travis said that some of the policies are "well meaning but aren't going to provide the elixir that they hope."

With all the uncertainty, investors are on a "capital strike."

Tuesday brings an economic report on the housing industry and a number of Congressional hearings. February sales from the nation's automakers are also due throughout the session.

The National Association of Realtors releases its pending home sales index for January in the morning. The index is expected to have fallen 3% after rising 6.3% in the previous month.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is due to testify before the Senate Budget Committee on economic and budget challenges, starting at 10 a.m. ET.

Also at 10:00 a.m., Peter Orszag, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, testifies before the House Budget Committee about the fiscal 2010 budget.

AIG: AIG reported a $62 billion fourth-quarter loss, the largest in U.S. corporate history, on turmoil in the credit markets and massive restructuring costs. For the full year, AIG lost $99 billion after reporting a profit of $9.3 billion in 2007.

To keep the company from collapsing and infecting the broader financial market, the government is revising its bailout for the third time and committing another $30 billion in exchange for cumulative preferred stock. The rescue plan now totals $162.5 billion. (Full story)

Stocks tumbled Friday after the government said it will control as much as 36% of Citigroup's common stock. Also in play: a report showing the economy shrank at its sharpest pace in 26 years in the fourth quarter of 2008.

Buffett: Adding to the weakness was billionaire investor Warren Buffett's annual chairman's letter, in which he talked about the tough 2008 his Berkshire Hathaway company experienced. The influential investor admitted that he "did some dumb things in investments" during the year.

Stock movers: AIG dragged on other financial stocks, including Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500), Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500), Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500). The KBW Bank (BKX) sector index lost 6.4%.

General Electric (GE, Fortune 500) slumped another 11% after saying Friday it is cutting its dividend by 68% to 10 cents per share from 31 cents.

All 30 Dow stocks fell, led by the banks, GE, GM (GM, Fortune 500), Alcoa (AA, Fortune 500), Caterpillar (CAT, Fortune 500) and DuPont

Market breadth was negative. On the New York Stock Exchange, losers beat winners by nearly 16 to one on volume of 1.98 billion shares. On the Nasdaq, decliners topped advancers by over 7 to one on volume of 2.36 billion shares.

Economy: The Institute for Supply Management's manufacturing index rose modestly to 35.8 in February from 35.6 in January, after 12 months of declines. Economists expected a drop to 34, according to a Briefing.com survey. Despite the advance, the sector remains in a period of contraction, with any reading under 50 indicating weakness.

Another report showed that construction spending fell 3.3% in January after falling 2.4% in December. Economists thought it would fall 1.5%.

Another government report showed personal income rose 0.4% in January after falling 0.2% in December. Economists thought it would fall 0.2%. Personal Spending rose 0.6% in January after falling 1% in December. Economists thought it would rise 0.4%.

Bonds: Treasury prices rallied, lowering the yield on the benchmark 10-year note to 2.87% from Friday's 3.01%. Treasury prices and yields move in opposite directions.

Other markets: In global trading, Asian and European markets ended lower.

In currency trading, the dollar gained versus the euro and fell against the yen.

U.S. light crude oil for April delivery fell $4.61 to settle at $40.15 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

COMEX gold for April delivery fell $2.50 to settle at $940 an ounce.

Talkback: Are you living on your unemployment check? How are you making ends meet? What bills are you paying - and which ones are sliding? E-mail your story to [email protected] and you could be part of an upcoming article. To top of page
First Published: March 2, 2009: 10:47 AM ET

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/02/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?postversion=2009030217
 

ThaG

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It will go down to 4000 not so far in the future

There is no need to worry about things that don't matter
 
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Unchartered territory under 7K. Who know's how low it will go though look for that double/triple bottom before you decide to go long on a stock.

I just jumped in the market with ideas of going long, but as of right now, i've taken a short position (yeah yeah, i'm contributing to the markets downfall).
 

ThaG

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I understand that, but the problem is that people rely on 401k in the first place. Which means that because of the bubble nature of our monetary system, without perpetual economic growth, 401ks will collapse, which they are doing now, and which they would inevitably do every time growth stops. And in the end growth will stop forever, because infinite growth in a finite system is impossible.
 
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I think they rely on it for when they retire but for right here right now they don't. You are taxed heavily if you pull money out of your 401K early and I believe you can count a % of your 401K towards reserves in a loan appication so you don't need to take it out. I hear what you're saying though. Everyone has seen their 401K's account and investment funds take huge hit with the taking of the market. What they thought was a nest egg ain't shit anymore.
 
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Lets not forget that 401k's were created to supplement the pension system not replace it. Yet that is what has happened.


The fault is no one but the individual's if they choose to only invest in a 401k and not diversify their savings.



We also discussed in another thread the idea that 401Ks/etc are relatively new concepts that perpetuate the entitlement attached to retiring and like ThaG said, significantly contribute to consuming finite resources.
 
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In my opinion now is a great time for an entry point into investing/trading. It's pretty much bottomed out - pick something recession proof and start putting money in it. I have cash in savings, money market and 401k (didn't get hurt nearly as bad as most ppl as i diversified quite well) from two employers but hadn't invested directly in stock. I picked Hershey and Pepsi to start with. $3 per trade @ sogotrade.com (100 free trades if you sign up this month!) Costco has a special with sharebuilder.com where you can get $70 or $90 free (for gold star, executive members) by opening an account and placing one trade, but sharebuilder costs more ($10 instant trade or $4 automatic trade on tuesdays) so i only made one investment there and an using sogotrade for the rest.
 

ThaG

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In my opinion now is a great time for an entry point into investing/trading. It's pretty much bottomed out - pick something recession proof and start putting money in it. I have cash in savings, money market and 401k (didn't get hurt nearly as bad as most ppl as i diversified quite well) from two employers but hadn't invested directly in stock. I picked Hershey and Pepsi to start with. $3 per trade @ sogotrade.com (100 free trades if you sign up this month!) Costco has a special with sharebuilder.com where you can get $70 or $90 free (for gold star, executive members) by opening an account and placing one trade, but sharebuilder costs more ($10 instant trade or $4 automatic trade on tuesdays) so i only made one investment there and an using sogotrade for the rest.
This isn't a recession, this is the Second Great Depression and if we ever get out of it, we will go right into the Greatest Depression ever, this time the final one, caused by geological factors beyond our control
 
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There were more people out of work a decade ago, so just wait. It's headed ther so it's not yet a depression, but fuck Ima be a boxer like dude in Cinderella Man