"Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...

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May 9, 2002
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...so help you god?"

I googled this briefly, to see if you HAD to swear on a bible. I came across this peice from an "answer" type website:

Speak to the judge before the trial begins and explain to him/her, your concern. I am sure that they have had to deal with this before.
If you come before the Court, you may either swear on the Christian Bible, or you may affirm to tell the truth, without use of any particular object.

Some additional information.
Even some Christians have a problem with this custom.
If a Christian must testify in court, is it proper for him to place his hand on the Bible and swear to tell the whole truth?
There is no Scriptural objection to doing so, though each person must decide whether to comply or to ask to be excused from this.
The practice of taking an oath while touching some object that is viewed as sacred has been widespread. For example, the ancient Greeks lifted up the hand to heaven or touched an altar while taking an oath. Among the Romans a juror held a stone in his hand and swore that if he were lying Jupiter should cast him away as he then cast away the stone.
Such acts manifested mankind’s inner inclination to recognize that there is a divine power to whom humans are accountable and who observes what is said and done. Certainly the worshipers of the true God, Jehovah, recognized this. And the Bible shows that they took oaths, in the presence of God, as it were, or with him as a witness.
(2 Sam. 3:35; 1 Ki. 2:23, 24; Ruth 3:13; Jer. 38:16)
True worshipers also permitted others to put them under oath.
Genesis 21:22 24; Matt. 26:63.
Sometimes when an oath was taken before God, the one swearing to it also made an accompanying gesture. The angel speaking to the prophet Daniel “proceeded to raise his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite.” (Dan. 12:7; Gen. 14:22)
Even God spoke of himself symbolically as raising his hand in an oath. (Isa. 62:8; Deut. 32:40) Another gesture that evidently was used in confirming an oath was that of placing the hand under the other person’s hip or thigh. Genesis 24:2, 3, 9; 47:29-31.
Of course, a true Christian does not have to take an oath so as to back up every statement that he makes in daily life. His Yes should mean Yes, and his No, No. (Matt. 5:33-37; James 5:12)
But if in court he is asked to swear that his testimony is truthful, he may feel that he can take such an oath. Or he may be permitted to give an affirmation that he is not lying. Galatians 1:20.
When the courtroom procedure is that of raising a hand or of placing a hand on the Bible when swearing, a Christian may choose to comply, having in mind the Bible examples of accompanying an oath with a gesture. But more important than whether a person makes a certain gesture with his oath is the fact that he is swearing before God to tell the truth. Such an oath is serious. So if a Christian feels that he can and should answer a question put to him in such circumstances, then he is under oath to tell the truth.

Source July 15, 1976 Watchtower
"Questions from Readers"
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With that being posted, does anyone find it immoral, to say the least, that a witness has to go into a COURT ROOM, and place his or her hand on something religious? Whatever hapened to seperation of church and state? Isnt this a directly condesceding practice?

Someone shed some light on this.
 
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With that being posted, does anyone find it immoral, to say the least, that a witness has to go into a COURT ROOM, and place his or her hand on something religious? Whatever hapened to seperation of church and state? Isnt this a directly condesceding practice?

Someone shed some light on this.

I have always felt the same way.

It seems ridiculously hypocritical to preach seperation of church and state, and then so blatantly bring church right into the middle of a state business.

But fuck, I mean "In God we Trust" is blasted all over our money anyways. Its not like the seperation of church and state has been anything other than a huge facade.
 
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I've never had to do this in court. I guess it has never been sworn testimony. :mad:

I wouldn't do it though. Swearing to god wouldn't make anything I say any more or less true - other than that whole swearing to god part, cuz that would have to be a lie.




Its not like the seperation of church and state has been anything other than a huge facade.
Right on
 
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obviously it's wrong. If I remember correctly Marlon Brando refused to take an oath, stating that he is an atheist during his son's murder trial. However even that in itself is fucked up that one would even have to admit such an irrelevant thing because you basically announce to the courtroom, who most likely is overwhelming religious, that you're not a christian. People, including the judge, could possibly look down on you as result.
 
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obviously it's wrong. If I remember correctly Marlon Brando refused to take an oath, stating that he is an atheist during his son's murder trial. However even that in itself is fucked up that one would even have to admit such an irrelevant thing because you basically announce to the courtroom, who most likely is overwhelming religious, that you're not a christian. People, including the judge, could possibly look down on you as result.
And this, to me, is what it comes down to.

If I ever had to go to court to be a witness, i would do the oath, lie my ass of, get caught, and tell em "I dont believe in god, so therefore, swearing on the bible is irrelevent". Would i still be charged with something? Its no fault they decided to use an instrument of religion to have you "vow" to tell the truth.

:confused: