first let me type that i dO believe there is a god............now i know that at the firsrt sight of problems we all or most of us just be prrraaayin tuh god.....sO, my affair and i were havin a discussion ayer about why things happen and who and what is responsible and im saying "god" is really not the cause and he was sayin god is infact the cause of things........gimmi ur thoughts views opinions and points on this, thankx
Do you believe in "God"?
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Why must God be the ultimate cause of all things? What proof do you have that God exists? Why can't things be there just because that's the way nature intended it? If people believe that God created the beginning, then what created God? Why is it hard for people that believe in God to believe that nature, the universe, everything just appeared for no apparent reason, just because it was created, but then it's a given that God was "just there". It's a double standard at it's most extreme measure. How did God become God? I would consider myself an agnostic because up until this date, there is no hard proof whether God exists or not. But I would definitely lean towards an Athiest point of view if someone were to say I had to choose whether I believe in God or not. I just don't see the point in saying there is a God other then the fact of perhaps having a chance to go to Heaven if one exists. And even that point is pretty selfish in itself; to pray in order to get something in return, rather than just living your life as nature intended, to live, not to wait for an afterlife.....
Focus with a blindfold....
Focus with a blindfold....
@Saint
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"Why can't things be there just because that's the way nature intended it?"
this "intention of nature" is equivilent to the idea of God. We are on the same page here.
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"If people believe that God created the beginning, then what created God?"
God is the fundamental reality. God was not created.
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Why is it hard for people that believe in God to believe that nature, the universe, everything just appeared for no apparent reason...?
You mean complete randomness? randomness is the scientific term for "we're lost at this point and can't give you a better explanation".
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How did God become God?
God did not become and is not becoming. the key word is "eternal". Eternal means beginingless and endless. God did not move up in rank to become all-powerful.
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"there is no hard proof whether God exists or not"
there is no hard proof whether you exist or not.
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"I just don't see the point in saying there is a God...."
lean more toward atheism. But, what drives the atheist is the pursuit against the idea of God. This pursuit is foolish and they believe it is justified by making examples of instances of ignorance from people who claim religion, esp. Christianity. They close there mind to greater truths. I suggest you keep looking for answers rather than concluding you have any idea who and what God is......
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"Why can't things be there just because that's the way nature intended it?"
this "intention of nature" is equivilent to the idea of God. We are on the same page here.
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"If people believe that God created the beginning, then what created God?"
God is the fundamental reality. God was not created.
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Why is it hard for people that believe in God to believe that nature, the universe, everything just appeared for no apparent reason...?
You mean complete randomness? randomness is the scientific term for "we're lost at this point and can't give you a better explanation".
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How did God become God?
God did not become and is not becoming. the key word is "eternal". Eternal means beginingless and endless. God did not move up in rank to become all-powerful.
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"there is no hard proof whether God exists or not"
there is no hard proof whether you exist or not.
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"I just don't see the point in saying there is a God...."
lean more toward atheism. But, what drives the atheist is the pursuit against the idea of God. This pursuit is foolish and they believe it is justified by making examples of instances of ignorance from people who claim religion, esp. Christianity. They close there mind to greater truths. I suggest you keep looking for answers rather than concluding you have any idea who and what God is......
God is the uncaused cause of all causes. Since He is eternal, He is uncaused. He has no beginning, therefore He was not created. Since the universe was created, it has a beginning and will have an ending, so it has a cause and that cause is God. Further, all things which happen within the universe are caused by God alone. Even the actions of your body as you read this are not caused by you, they are caused by material nature, which is working under the order of the Supreme Lord.
Bhagavad-Gita Ch. 5 Text 10:
"A person in divine consciousness, although engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving about, sleeping, and breathing, always knows within himself that he actually does nothing at all. Because while speaking, evacuating, receiving, opening or closing his eyes, he always knows that only the material senses are engaged with their objects and that he is aloof from them."
So as you are walking down the street, think about the fact that your consciousness is separate from the actions of your body. Your body will work on autopilot because *YOU* are actually not doing anything. *You* are a sub-atomic spark of spiritual energy floating in your body exuding consciousness throughout it. *You* are different from your body, and the actions of your body are being carried out by material nature. The Self is the soul, and the soul is different from the body. So when you refer to your "Self", remember that your "Self" is not your body or your mind, but your soul, and your soul is eternally connected to the Supersoul, God.
Bhagavad-Gita Ch. 5 Text 10:
"A person in divine consciousness, although engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving about, sleeping, and breathing, always knows within himself that he actually does nothing at all. Because while speaking, evacuating, receiving, opening or closing his eyes, he always knows that only the material senses are engaged with their objects and that he is aloof from them."
So as you are walking down the street, think about the fact that your consciousness is separate from the actions of your body. Your body will work on autopilot because *YOU* are actually not doing anything. *You* are a sub-atomic spark of spiritual energy floating in your body exuding consciousness throughout it. *You* are different from your body, and the actions of your body are being carried out by material nature. The Self is the soul, and the soul is different from the body. So when you refer to your "Self", remember that your "Self" is not your body or your mind, but your soul, and your soul is eternally connected to the Supersoul, God.
common now 2-0-Sixx. being that you are the all knowing communist sympathizer who is and atheist and well versed in Liberalism-Socialism, you should also know that me being the opposite of you a conservative-capitalist that i would be a religious person (Roman Catholic) just in case you didnt pick up on that in a few of the other posts in which i have posted that i was a Catholic
ok i was thinking last night, and just cus i was high dont mean its stupid k, k, sO, if god created man and all that and im not all up on the adam and eve stuff but i heard adam started her with a rib and stuff but come on cus thats impossible and why didnt god just create the woman, that aint even realistic think about it now, i dont have too much time to type cus im working but yall get my picture right??