1. "I did not say your guys name so why you try to check me I dunno."
I'm not trying to check you, but I know you meant me so that's why I responded. I want you to know that I understand what you are saying, that's why I broke it down and that's why im gonna do it agian. Yes; I need a life!
2. "I to have been on the siccness for years I remember when it was black and red and when it had the sac bee link on it. I remember Roloc i remember some guy name leader of the new church I think it was."
yeah that's me, Leader. I don't even remember what color it was when I was on it for the first time, I just remember that the user names were not permanent and that made it hard to tell who was who & who was frontin to be an artist.
3. "ive been on here for years. my old name was nefarious559 and ene4life. I never resorted to name calling as I think someone said I have."
Nefar559, i remember that guy. I know it is natural for you to say Scrap left and right, and I wasnt talking about you. If you go back and gather what I said you will see that I was talking about the wannabe Nortenos that "KICK IT WITH NORTE" and speak disrespectfully towards their enemies just because they think it's cool.
4. "again even in your explanations above you two(fuck you bitch and Vamps) speak on a second hand basis. you guys speak on what youve been told what you were allowed to see. you really think White Fence or 18th street would tell you what they stand for what they do day in or day out. hell no."
What they stand for? I'm not claiming to know every fucking thing about any particular gang especially on a day to day basis. WF and 18 want to put in good work for their neighborhood & stay alive through new generations who have been schooled right on that shit. They want to keep what they have and eventually expand (18 has done this quite rapidly). In Los Angeles, STREET GANGS focus on STREET ISSUES. That is why I PROMISE YOU they do not spend much time worrying about what is going on 400 miles to the north. They figure the so-called "Surenos" that are up there already have you guys busy, so they aren't concerned. For cholos from here, the Norteno presence is a serious issue in PRISON GANGS only (who simultaneously run the streets). I know you are aware of this, I am just clarifying it and addressing the fact that the NORTE on Southland streets is about as much of a threat as the LATIN KINGS. It's hard to believe for you, I'm sure, with your Central Cali perspective, but I spend everyday here and I didn't have to join up to learn that fact. The whole SouthSider clothing thing is getting bigger and bigger here though.
5. "although they do not consider themselves surenos gangsters down there know who they will be when locked up who they have alliances with. Yet you two try to act as if you speak on what you live for what you will die for. It is not bad to do that just human curiousity. but when I get off this board and go into the world Im living this not watching it from a distance."
They do consider themselves Surenos for the most part, but often they are not aware of how big a deal this is to you Nortenos until they are schooled or until they do time. They know from the beginning of gang life who they must align with and who they must hate if they ever go to prison, but that doesnt mean they know the ins and outs of the whole war. Where have I tried to act as if I am speaking from experience??????????????????? THIS IS ALL KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS BEEN PASSED ON TO ME FROM GANG MEMBERS AND EX CONS, NONE OF IT IS FROM EXPERIENCE and I only truly believe it when I have heard the same thing from different sources.
What I will die for? No. The curiosity is definitely there and it is natural, and I have gotten most of my knowledge from speaking to people in person and checking out their neighborhoods. By the way do you want to show me the Fresno County ghetto tour next time I'm there? In turn, I'll show you what this non-banger knows about the hoods down here and take you through them in the safety of my car next time you are down here. I know you are living it and not watching it from a distance, but that doesn't make what I know false information.
6. "Ive been to Wasco for three years, im not trying to say that this makes me hard. Its just that I see gangsters from LA click up with scraps from up here. they are the same to me they both hate me they both would kill on the inside. why would I try to separate them on the outside. there is just no way."
Wasco gave you some real insight I know. I don't care if you separate "scraps" and "surenos" or not. You can think whatever you want. Many of you stress the fact that the Sureno fools up there "bang mexico" and are not down for the cause or bang as hard as Nortenos. This issue is hard for me to call because I have heard many variations but I still wonde... who would consider these "illegals in dodger blue" to be their only serious rivals (other than Bulldogs strictly in 559) when they are such a supposed joke? Did they all get down as fuck all of a sudden or what because I thought they got no respect from anyone?
7. "And then Vamps why do you call me a so called soldier thats not fair. you have never met me or seen my stab wounds from riots in CYA."
I guess vamps was too busy to give a longass reply like this.
8. "You said you are intrigued by gang life yet you and fuckyoubitch seem to sympathize and wholly believe what surenos tell you and both seem to critique and disagree with what nortenos say."
I am intrigued yes, but how do i sympathize? Why would I think that they are right and you are wrong? There is no reason for your assumption. Do you think that because I live here and compare and contrast with what I know that I am automatically a sympathizer? Elaborate.
9. "If im banned for this I aint gonna lie id be mad but i cant go without defending myself. You know Vamps you can disagree with what I feel but I still feel this way."
You think he is a dictator I guess. He is far from it. The only thing we disagree with are your assumptions and condescending cop outs.
10. "Just realize that this is my life day in and day out I cant come on here and see things that I disagree with and not speak my mind. I DO KNOW WHAT I SPEAK ON I CAN SPEAK ON SHIT LIKE THIS. I DONT NEED AN OUTSIDER TO TELL ME I HAVE SHIT TO LEARN."
You are the outsider on the topic of the SOUTHLAND. You have much to learn about the situation down here but I don't think any less of you for not being from here because that would probably nullify your gang status anyway.
11. "you have the luxury of leaving gang talk when you log off I do not have that luxury. This runs all through my mind even when I go to a drive thru I must think about these topics. Or else Id be slipping and Mphife is trying to check me and that will never happen. just stick to promoting other ppls work and ill continue to put in work ok"
You are in a gang I know this. like i said for your situation, "CANT STOP, WONT STOP". But I never joined a gang. My neighborhood isn't bad enough so there was no reason to take it that far because the "glamour", which so many suburban gangsters join for, seemed very backwards and life-altering. Many people are in it the day they are born or because they live in projects like Estrada Courts or Nickerson Gardens and they were given no other choice. I live in a normal place (of course it has many gang problems but it's not locked down). My non-affiliation does not mean it doesn't spark my interest and it runs through my mind anytime i see a cholo or see something new tagged on the wall even though most of my friends do not share this interest.
You seem annoyed that I speak on it with your last remark. Oh well, this is the net its an open forum for discussion. If you can't take the heat then don't check it, my aim is not to spite you I just want to make sense of everything.
