DEALIN' WITH DEATH
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I try to understand that death is as natural as life and it's inevitable.
As for dealing with death I suppose I deal with it the same as anyone else. It's always hard to lose a loved one but I continue forward.
One thing about death that strikes me as odd regarding Christians is how so many of them resist death so strongly and are so distressed when a loved one passes. You would think they’d be celebrating! You’re going to Disneyland sucka!
As for dealing with death I suppose I deal with it the same as anyone else. It's always hard to lose a loved one but I continue forward.
One thing about death that strikes me as odd regarding Christians is how so many of them resist death so strongly and are so distressed when a loved one passes. You would think they’d be celebrating! You’re going to Disneyland sucka!
PERSONALLY i WOULD THINK ITS EASIER FOR RELIGOUS, CUS THEIR THE ONES WORRIED ABOUT HAVIN TO ANSWER FOR THEIR SINS AND WORRIED ABOUT WHAT SIDE OF THE HEAVEN/HELL FENCE THEY'RE GOIN TO GET THROWN ON...BUT THE PURPOSE OF LIFE DEFINATELY AIN'T TO SIT AROUND AND WORRY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON WHEN IT ENDS, THATS WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND THESE RELIGIONS THAT MAKE YOU FEAR DEATH..
ALTHOUGH IF THERE IS A HEAVEN AND HELL.. I SURE HOPE THOSE BASTARDS GO TO HELL WHO TRY TO ROLE UP ON YOU IN PUBLIC AND SWAY YOU TO JOIN THEIR RELIGION BY GIVIN YOU A GUILT TRIP SAYIN "YOU CAN STILL BE SAVED" OR "JESUS STILL LOVES YOU".. YOU DON'T SEE ATHIESTS OR AGNOSTIC PEOPLE ROLLIN UP TO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TRYIN TO TELL THEM THEY'RE MIND CONTROLLING FAIRY TALE IS BULLSHIT, CUS WE DON'T FEEL THE PRESSURE THEY DO TO SAVE OR BE SAFE BEFORE DEATH HITS, LIFE WILL END AND THATS THAT, WORRY ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES..
ALTHOUGH IF THERE IS A HEAVEN AND HELL.. I SURE HOPE THOSE BASTARDS GO TO HELL WHO TRY TO ROLE UP ON YOU IN PUBLIC AND SWAY YOU TO JOIN THEIR RELIGION BY GIVIN YOU A GUILT TRIP SAYIN "YOU CAN STILL BE SAVED" OR "JESUS STILL LOVES YOU".. YOU DON'T SEE ATHIESTS OR AGNOSTIC PEOPLE ROLLIN UP TO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TRYIN TO TELL THEM THEY'RE MIND CONTROLLING FAIRY TALE IS BULLSHIT, CUS WE DON'T FEEL THE PRESSURE THEY DO TO SAVE OR BE SAFE BEFORE DEATH HITS, LIFE WILL END AND THATS THAT, WORRY ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES..
If someone had a gun to my head, I'd be terrified. I'd know what would happen when he fired it, so I wouldn't be scared of the unknown in that sense. I just want to live, man. I like living. I don't see a reward at the end of the tunnel, so I'll enjoy the life I have now. The candy is sweeter when it's the only one you got. I deal with death. I grieve. I miss people. But I understand that it's inevitable and that I have these wonderful memories of them that no one can ever take. Ultimately, my own death is the only thing that can take away those precious memories.
science cant exist without the soul/mind. like a flame cant exist without heat.
if there was noone "thinking science" it simply wouldnt exist.
the truth is immortal, because if it was true that the world and the truth vanished and died, it would be TRUE that the world and the truth have vanished and NOTHING can be true without the truth. thats why the truth cant die.
Now science contains the truth, the truth is immortal and science lies inside of our all souls and because something that contains something else automatically dies if the containing object dies, and the truth within our soul CANNOT die, the soul must be immortal.
Thats why im not afraid of death.
if there was noone "thinking science" it simply wouldnt exist.
the truth is immortal, because if it was true that the world and the truth vanished and died, it would be TRUE that the world and the truth have vanished and NOTHING can be true without the truth. thats why the truth cant die.
Now science contains the truth, the truth is immortal and science lies inside of our all souls and because something that contains something else automatically dies if the containing object dies, and the truth within our soul CANNOT die, the soul must be immortal.
Thats why im not afraid of death.
pass the bong my friend, I wan't to get really high too.
I don't understand the statement 'if there was noone "thinking science" it simply wouldn't exist'. It has many similarities with Einsteins old paradox when he asked the question 'if noone looks at the moon, is it really there?' or the more familiar 'if a tree falls in the forest and noone is there to hear it, did it actually happen?'. Science exists outside of human existence. It's akin to suggesting that if every human was wiped out, then the universe itself would cease to exist - thats one hell of an anthropocentric view there!
Also, (1) Science contains the truth, (2) the truth is immortal, (3) science lies inside all of our souls. If I understand your argument correctly, you are suggesting that because science, which contains 'immortal' truth, is in our souls, we are thus immortal. Fair enough. The only problem is that I don't believe in the existence of the 'soul', so that argument doesn't apply to me. Besides, science doesn't always contain the truth, and although the concept of truth is immortal, individual truths are far from immortal.
I think you mean the other way around - it would be harder for religious people because they're worried about having to answer for their sins. I see your point though, I like it.
Shit happens, I certainly don't want to die, but when my time comes I'll simply cease to exist. I can't be sad, remorseful or angry because I won't have the capactiy to feel anything at all. The main reason why I really don't want to die is because of the people I'll leave behind - I know my family and friends will be sad and I don't want to put them through that. When someone you care for dies, don't deceive yourself into thinking that you are sad on their behalf - you are only sorry for yourself (the fact that you won't be able to see them again, laugh with them again or share good and bad moments together). It's just natural, you are certainly not selfish in thinking this way, we all do it.
I don't understand the statement 'if there was noone "thinking science" it simply wouldn't exist'. It has many similarities with Einsteins old paradox when he asked the question 'if noone looks at the moon, is it really there?' or the more familiar 'if a tree falls in the forest and noone is there to hear it, did it actually happen?'. Science exists outside of human existence. It's akin to suggesting that if every human was wiped out, then the universe itself would cease to exist - thats one hell of an anthropocentric view there!
Also, (1) Science contains the truth, (2) the truth is immortal, (3) science lies inside all of our souls. If I understand your argument correctly, you are suggesting that because science, which contains 'immortal' truth, is in our souls, we are thus immortal. Fair enough. The only problem is that I don't believe in the existence of the 'soul', so that argument doesn't apply to me. Besides, science doesn't always contain the truth, and although the concept of truth is immortal, individual truths are far from immortal.
I think you mean the other way around - it would be harder for religious people because they're worried about having to answer for their sins. I see your point though, I like it.
Shit happens, I certainly don't want to die, but when my time comes I'll simply cease to exist. I can't be sad, remorseful or angry because I won't have the capactiy to feel anything at all. The main reason why I really don't want to die is because of the people I'll leave behind - I know my family and friends will be sad and I don't want to put them through that. When someone you care for dies, don't deceive yourself into thinking that you are sad on their behalf - you are only sorry for yourself (the fact that you won't be able to see them again, laugh with them again or share good and bad moments together). It's just natural, you are certainly not selfish in thinking this way, we all do it.
^THAT REMINDS ME OF THAT ONE EPISODE ON FRIENDS WHERE PHEBE WAS SUgKESTIN' DOIN' SOMETHIN' UNSELFISH BUT DOIN' SOMETHIN' FOR SOMEBODY WAS STILL SELFISH CAUSE IT MADE "YOU" FEEL gOOD, OR SOME SHIT LIKE THAT.
CANNIBAL CROW,
OF COURSE ALL OF US WANT TO KEEP ON LIVIN' AND FEEL THAT WE ARE IMMORTAL, LIKE WE NEVA gONNA DIE AND IT SURPRISES US WHEN PEOPLE DO. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF PEOPLE DIEIN', YOU FIgURE PEOPLE WOULD gET USED TO IT.
CANNIBAL CROW,
OF COURSE ALL OF US WANT TO KEEP ON LIVIN' AND FEEL THAT WE ARE IMMORTAL, LIKE WE NEVA gONNA DIE AND IT SURPRISES US WHEN PEOPLE DO. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF PEOPLE DIEIN', YOU FIgURE PEOPLE WOULD gET USED TO IT.
it doesnt really matter if science wouldnt exist without the humans.
it's still inside of the soul and it doesnt matter whether some sciences dont contain the truth. for example, geometry is a science that definitely contains the truth and lies within the soul and there cant be a seperation.
have you heard about that theorie, i think its platonic that the soul is omniscient, even at the time we are born. so when we "Learn" things we "didnt know" before its not like we are gaining knowledge, the knowledge is just unveiled by the soul, the soul just kinda like realizes somethin it has always known but which wasnt really on the surface of our mind.
i think our self-consciousness is so strong and there are so many things we still dont know about it.
how come you dont believe in a soul?
it's still inside of the soul and it doesnt matter whether some sciences dont contain the truth. for example, geometry is a science that definitely contains the truth and lies within the soul and there cant be a seperation.
have you heard about that theorie, i think its platonic that the soul is omniscient, even at the time we are born. so when we "Learn" things we "didnt know" before its not like we are gaining knowledge, the knowledge is just unveiled by the soul, the soul just kinda like realizes somethin it has always known but which wasnt really on the surface of our mind.
i think our self-consciousness is so strong and there are so many things we still dont know about it.
how come you dont believe in a soul?
shit ive been walking around forever feeling bulletproof until the start of this year, something just clicked in my head and made me realise 'people die everyday that are NO different to you'. And its really been bugging me how easy you can be here one day and gone the next, I havent been able to relax and get it off my mind completelty. I long for the 'bulletproof' frame of mind even though it is completelty ignorant.
It's also really made me think how important it is for us as human beings to help the less fortunate of us, because at the end of the day as long as you're doing well I feel it is our obligations as human beings to help others.
To answer your question I haven't had anyone close to me die so I don't know how I would deal with that, but I am not very emtionally strong when it comes to issues like that I think it would probably fuck with my head pretty seriously.
Sorry for blabbing on but this has been on my mind 24/7 last 3 months.
It's also really made me think how important it is for us as human beings to help the less fortunate of us, because at the end of the day as long as you're doing well I feel it is our obligations as human beings to help others.
To answer your question I haven't had anyone close to me die so I don't know how I would deal with that, but I am not very emtionally strong when it comes to issues like that I think it would probably fuck with my head pretty seriously.
Sorry for blabbing on but this has been on my mind 24/7 last 3 months.
Good question. To my understanding, the soul is the mysterious life force which resides in each of us - the catalyst for not only thought but for life itself. According to a lot of people, the soul enters the physical form when it is conceived (at what stage is debatable, hence the argument about embryonic stem cell research) and provides us with the 'spark' which brings about human life.
I think it's all bullshit. My existence - my ability to breathe, see, think, feel emotions etc. has nothing to do with the presence of a soul. It has to do with a brilliantly designed blueprint and a mind which develops as a result of that blueprint. i.e. my body forms based on an evolutionary plan (the brain and subsequent mind being part of that design) which has undergone millions of years of refinement, resulting in an amazing example of negative entropy - me (and I'm not being self adulating! It applies to all of us).
I feel sorry for all those people who require the presence of a spirit, soul, god etc. to justify and explain their own existence. If you want to know how we got here, study biology. As to why we are here, the most intelligent answer I've heard to that question would have to be 42.
I think it's all bullshit. My existence - my ability to breathe, see, think, feel emotions etc. has nothing to do with the presence of a soul. It has to do with a brilliantly designed blueprint and a mind which develops as a result of that blueprint. i.e. my body forms based on an evolutionary plan (the brain and subsequent mind being part of that design) which has undergone millions of years of refinement, resulting in an amazing example of negative entropy - me (and I'm not being self adulating! It applies to all of us).
I feel sorry for all those people who require the presence of a spirit, soul, god etc. to justify and explain their own existence. If you want to know how we got here, study biology. As to why we are here, the most intelligent answer I've heard to that question would have to be 42.
Dealing with death for me is not an easy thing, when i was about 10 years old, my mom died, i used to go to church and all that shit, but after she died i couldnt bear to go no more, i felt betrayed, until last month, i was unable to attend funerals or even visit my moms grave, I felt as if i did I would be next, I do not believe in religion nor god, I felt if i was to visit the grave or go to a funeral i would have a complete breakdown, death is the hardest thing you can deal with in life, the way i see it, death is an escape from reality, but yet, suicide is by far not the answer, but yet the thought is always in my mind that there is no god and nothing to save me, I have no idea where i will go when i die, but i do believe in ghosts, and im sorry if this makes no sense, but it is very hard for me to speak on the subject
well the odd thing about me dying young is every 2nd born male on my moms side of the family has died b4 hitting 25, for about 5 generations now, and im the 2nd born male this time and im gonna be 21, and that shit trips me out, seems like its a curse or some shit, last 2 males were killed in car accidents, the other 3 were killed